[Closed] Tottenham Riots

at least there is the full span of opinion on this thread.
unfortunately, the hard-right seem to be the only ones with solutions.

What, Final ones?

Godwins law!

What, Final ones?

lol whut?

I think this was the kind of thing they had in mind Fred

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TJ what's your fave Hearsay song?

I hate apologists for criminality. Nothing can justify the looting, robbery, arson, violence seen in our cities over the last few days. Yes, you can understand it in Syria, Libya, etc but these are people who don't know the meaning or repression or suffering.

Sadly, most of the 'youth' involved in this are not victims of high unemployment as they have no intention of working as they think the country owes them a living the same as their parents, grand parents etc.

Many small businesses locally have stopped taking in school/college placement kids or employing young people straight from school as it's simply too much trouble. They have no work ethic, arrive late or not all, have a poor attitude and are basically just ****less.

I have no idea what a sensible solution is. (Got a few daft ones like sterilisation of 3rd generation benefit claimants so they can't perpetuate the problem.)

So what do we think will happen tonight? I'm thinking less than last night but lots of tense stand offs across London.

So what do we think will happen tonight?

A lot more bottys displayed.

Without rubber bullets it's bound to kick off again tonight.

*social observation mode*
Jamie's pics show an interesting and quite sad situation really. (apart from the young hipster mayn looking out of place)

These kids in countries with real financial poverty would be looting food. 'Our' kids have a perhaps worse kind of 'mental' or 'emotional' poverty. A life so vaccuous that getting the latest phone/pumps gives a temporary high...

going back to the famous logo thread- the looting shows without doubt how well branding has set into the mindset of so many. no one would argue with that, right? 😉

Are these scrotes in some bizarre way reacting against the meaninglessness of a world based on 'I-want-it-now' consumerism, in the only way they know how (anger/violence), crying out for something with more substance (the poor dears)??

perhaps it will lead to some kind of correction, like a resistance from within?
doing stuff like gardening and sheeeet becomes cool?
or building a new pump track. something to do innit.

Damn shame for all the innocent peoples and small business owners though

Yeah, I just ran on in and looted the hell out of the 1,000th post!

Only went and bagged up on 500 too, din't I!

beaten to it 🙁

I have no idea what a sensible solution is

"So what do we think will happen tonight?"

Rumour has it that the Police are having to gear up for it kicking off in Sheffield tonight.

Caught in the act

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yossarian - Member

So what do we think will happen tonight?

I suspect a lot more knee-jerking, cries for bringing back hanging, send for the army etc etc

They should get their lazy arses down to Buckingham Palace and torch that place, I'd be happy to see that. If it's a genuine protest, then thats a good place to start.

I suspect a lot more knee-jerking, cries for bringing back hanging, send for the army etc etc

Feel free to step in with a solution at any time, TJ.

beaten to it

Don't think I've heard that one, which album was it on?

yossarian - Member
So what do we think will happen tonight?....

......self righteous indignation, polarised rhetoric (in red, blue and green flavours), accusations of racism, pleas for understanding the disenfranchised, touch of hand wringing, bit of mud slinging, plenty of copy'n'pasting, and much petty point scoring 👿

Feel free to step in with solution at any time, TJ

+1

Police have started releasing CCTV images of suspects.

Not sure if you need to be a Detective to recognise this one from Croydon, everyone know the Colonel!

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I think a nice simplistic punishment system would be good. If you catch a looter then he gets put in a room with the owners and family of the shop he looted, obviously this wouldn't work for the larger chain stores but they could hire someone to stand in for them.
Obviously I don't really think this would work but the whole thing is just crazy.
I did see a comment from a policeman saying most of the people looting were the ones who've been through the courts again and again and are still running around......not a huge shock they don't fear the consequences of their actions is it?

Are these scrotes in some bizarre way reacting against the meaninglessness of a world based on 'I-want-it-now' consumerism, in the only way they know how (anger/violence), crying out for something with more substance (the poor dears)??

Apologist!

Jamie - Member

TandemJeremy - Member
I suspect a lot more knee-jerking, cries for bringing back hanging, send for the army etc etc

Feel free to step in with solution at any time, TJ.

That's the problem I have with much of what TJ posts, plenty of opposition with no proposition - I'm sure there's some positive thoughts somewhere in that planet sized brain, just wish he'd share some of them.....

With 16,000 police out tonight I can see it being a lot calmer, the [s]disaffected youth[/s] work shy criminal scum are probably just about intelligent enough to realise there won't be such easy pickings for their [s]valid expression of disgust with their lot[/s] greedy looting. I expect it will kick off again towards the end of the week though.

It's a big problem... Not sure why someone should have to have a solution to the whole thing before they're allowed to start pointing out individual bits of bulls**t.

You guys....... 🙄

On the streets I mean.

I think people will be staying in their communities more but with 16000 police on the streets theres bound to be confrontation. Perhaps this is the second phase?

That's the problem I have with much of what TJ posts, plenty of opposition with no proposition - I'm sure there's some positive thoughts somewhere in that planet sized brain, just wish he'd share some of them.....

I like that he doesn't pretend to have a solution. It's more truthful than a lot of rubbish on here.

I like that he doesn't pretend to have a solution. It's more truthful than a lot of rubbish on here.

That just doesn't scan.

It's two sentences.

/sigh

Happy now?

Blah, Blah, Blah Riots, Blah social injustice, Blah blah public unrest...

This doesn't get to the real core of the matter though does it????

No what we really want to know is Where's my CRC order gone eh?!!?

It's all right, Theresa May has a plan

Speaking on Sky News, she said that police intelligence and the support of local communities would help quell the disturbances.

"The way we police in Britain is not through use of water cannon," she said. "The way we police in Britain is through consent of communities."

As those charged with offences appear in court today, "people will start to see the consequences of their actions", Mrs May added.

and

She also told BBC Breakfast that "parents need to be asking themselves where were their children, what were their children doing in the evening."

So I predict a quiet evening and no news while everbody stays at home and behaves themselves.

Conincidentally as I'm of the curfew,water cannon, tear gas and rubber bullet opinion. While the majority may be disenfrachised it is the minority who are doing this and they should be dealt with severely.

Hey Fred, get me an xbox will ya?

Isn't TeeJ suggesting that the problem is bigger, and runs deeper, than the wave of dusturbances that we're seeing?

I'm pretty sure that he's idenitified the cuts to youth services as being amongst one of the catalysts.

Unfortunately for the Gov't... they are going to have to throw money at the problem... be it through increased policing in the first instance, or restoration of community projects in the longer term.

Of course money will also need to be spent on cleaning up the streets and by private individuals and companies on their own properties.

Could this be a lesson to the Gov't of how short term savings may not be beneficial in the longer term?

Jamie - Member
/sigh

Happy now?

🙂

But I don't understand what you mean? It scans perfectly well?

That's the problem I have with much of what TJ posts, plenty of opposition with no proposition - I'm sure there's some positive thoughts somewhere in that planet sized brain, just wish he'd share some of them.....

He's too busy putting the stw massive in it's place...

Could this be a lesson to the Gov't of how short term savings may not be beneficial in the longer term?

Apologist

Apologist

Sorry, what?

But within 24 hours, she backtracked and told MPs: “I don’t think anybody wants to see water cannon used on the streets of Britain because we have a different attitude to the culture of policing here. We police by consent and it depends on that trust between the police and the public.”

she's said more.

See above re water cannons, you're wrong (but probably not reading the stw forum).

Could this be a lesson to the Gov't of how short term savings may not be beneficial in the longer term?

im no labour lover - but at the last election i have to say i was hearing gordon brown loud and clear as the only man i thought to have half an inclination as to how to get the country back on its feet ...

Really .... Poundland?

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goes back a lot longer TSY - as in the two posts I quoted from Ernie and Elf. We as a society have created an underclass of dienfranchised and alienated youth. See the quotes below.

So - solutions? Redistribution of wealth, end to the deliberate policy of creating a large pool of unemployed, thus a return to (nearly) full employment. Sensible drug laws, reform of the Met, investment in education.

Investment in social work / youth work.

and of course now - regain control of the streets calmly and methodically by using appropriate force by the police.

Still the most sensible stuff posted on here about the riots and how our society got so fracured as to allow this to happen. In order to heal we first must diagnose what went wrong.

Elfinsafety - Member

Personally, I feel what has sparked off this massive amount of unrest is the fact that many young people feel utterly powerless over many aspects of their own lives, and are exercising the one form of power they feel they actually have; aggression. I'm not condoning any of the violence in any way whatsoever, regardless of what various dickheads on here may think and have suggested; I think it's a tragedy that so many people seem to think violence and crime is acceptable and even 'fun'. It's a f-ed up situation when so many people get caught up in the hysteria and madness. Those mindless idiots out there don't even know what damage they are doing to their own communities, innocent people and even their own futures.

But I think it's pointless to condemn; of course it's flipping wrong. Of course it is. Any right-minded person knows this, and I dare say most of those involved will regret their actions once they grow up a bit and reflect on the consequences.

What concerns me is the level of hatred and anger within so many people. Including those making moronic statements on here.

Why are we living in a society where this is so rife? Why such massive divisions between members of our society?

Truth is that increasing numbers of people just don't care any more, about their society, their community, and worst of all, themselves.

ernie_lynch - Member

The situation were are witnessing today was always eventually going to arrive, whichever party was in power - it's been a pressure cooker ready to explode for a very long time. Youth unemployment stands at almost 1 million, the highest ever. And the total including those studying etc, is 3 million, ie 3 million young people not earning any wages at all. And yet they are sold daily the false unachievable dreams of fame and wealth. They are told day in and day out that they should aspire to own vast amounts of material wealth, and that to aspire for anything less than that represents failure.

And yet youth in huge swathes of our communities are given zero chance of achieving anything. Employers would rather opt for the easier and cheaper alternative of offering jobs to fully trained Poles or Lithuanians, than to give British school-leavers any hope of learning a trade. This attitude is backed up by the typical half-wits on this forum, who at any given opportunity vilify young people dismissing them all as chavs, lazy, ****less, etc.

Well all the pent-up frustrations have finally turned ugly, and very ugly too - I will be surprised if there are no fatalities after tonight. But no one should be very surprised - did anyone really think we could cripple Britain's youth and then taunt them for being lame indefinitely ? And blaming it all on the Tories is far too simplistic. We haven't arrived where we are because of something which happened back in May last year - you need to go much further back, years, if not decades.

Fear not. Theresa May has arranged for these to be ditributed "in high numbers" around the affected areas with a free Domino's Meat Feast.

Who needs water cannon and baton rounds? THIS IS ENGLAND!

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