[Closed] Tottenham Riots

Tory Government in power, it's what happens, init.

Police reports haven't always proven to be the most accurate account of events when the police have been involved in a death.

Just shoot them end of

I'm with Grantway, if you carry a gun and end up getting shot by the police then I've got zero sympathy, as for the rioters they've obviously got the same mentality as the guy carrying the gun, not sure how destroying you're own community moves things forward

MSP - Member
Police reports haven't always proven to be the most accurate account of events when the police have been involved in a death.

I'm with Grantway, if you carry a gun and end up getting shot by the police then I've got zero sympathy, as for the rioters they've obviously got the same mentality as the guy carrying the gun, not sure how destroying you're own community moves things forward

First off - are we sure we know exactly what happened? Was this guy stopped by the police, opened fire on them and then killed in an exchange?

Second off - I read somewhere that someone else from the community was shot last week and there was already unrest from that incident. Not sure if that's true but if so it gives some context.

Be interesting to see what happens tonight. Cameron et al will be very, very anxious to avoid an escalation to other boroughs...as will the met.

It's my democratic right to share my country with trouble making opportunist thieving toss pots like these,

although sometimes I do wish we could go in with the tanks Syrian style and wipe their stupid faces off our planet making it a nicer place for us all,

always proud of the police and their restraint in these situations, if i was one of them i don't know if i could be so good.

I bet this sort of thing really helps to bind the local commooonity

Why did the guy have a gun in the first place? What job requires an illegal fire arm? IT DOESN'T MATTER who fired first, he should not have had a gun in the first place; now I'm just waiting for how the police is all working for Babylon and man dem need to carry heat for protection

now I'm just waiting for how the police is all working for Babylon and man dem need to carry heat for protection

Nice.

Some of those guys need to have a good look at themselves, what sort of person sees the death of a man as an opportunity to get some new trainers.

Interesting interview on R4 with a local minister - there was a peaceful march which ended up at the local nick, and apparently normally what happens is that the community leaders meet with the police to talk through local concerns. Yesterday however the police locked the doors and refused to talk - just ignored them. After several hours frustrations got the better of some of the locals. I don't necessarily agree with them, but you can understand why things might get out of hand if they're treated in that way.

nice racist undercurrent in this thread.

giving me a real warm sunday morning glow.

Racist?!?? Are Chav scum a race now?

On the upside, all me bredren got some sweet Reebox and we is rollin' deep in wall mounted plasmas

but you can understand why things might get out of hand if they're treated in that way

nice racist undercurrent in this thread

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How very leafy suburb-esque

Did i hear BBC report that they over took Mcdonalds and started cooking their own food or was that a dream?

Where is the racist undercurrent?

McGangsters

My understanding is that a man in a mini cab was shot and killed by police officers during an exchange of fire. What hasn't been stated yet is if the dead man was the armed passenger or the driver. It could have been the driver that was armed and his perfectly innocent passenger was killed or the reverse. They might have been well known criminal associates or completely unknown to each other. The possibilities are endless and that is why it takes time to investigate these matters. A community protest at this stage is 9 times out of 10 going to end up in violence and the local community leaders should have sort out a private meeting with police not turned up with 100 upset "friends" of the deceased.

Their hasn't been a single mention of race in this whole thread... so can't see where the 'racist undertone' comment comes from.

Having grown up in a very multi cultural city, having attended a school that was 80% non-White and now living and working in an area with large immigrant populations I think I might actually be rather less leafy and suburban than some of the frankly quite patronising and ignorant posters on this thread.

It's not patronising, I know exactly the kind of people involved in this, both black and white, I see them through work, at my local pub and I know their completely detatched thought processes

See back in the day, was it prepubescent teenagers on bmx bikes that rioted or were the rioters slightly older?

Would it not be similar to the riots in London earlier this year? A peaceful protest hijacked by others whose only purpose is to destroy, thieve and challenge the power of the police. If what aP says is true though it doesn't sound like it was handled particularly well initially.

RichPenny - Member
Would it not be similar to the riots in London earlier this year? A peaceful protest hijacked by others whose only purpose is to destroy, thieve and challenge the power of the police. If what aP says is true though it doesn't sound like it was handled particularly well initially.

Haven't we got our own man in the (ahem) 'hood? Where is he when you need him? Probably going round some art gallery somewhere or looking at watches in the Rolex shops on Oxford street... 🙂

As for race, it's probably the attempt at faux Jamaican accents that raise that particular spectre...

The Manchester and Salford Yeomanry Cavalry would sort them out. (Might be the best solution for some of the chav scum too)

it's probably the attempt at faux Jamaican accents that raise that particular spectre...

I opened this sure in the knowledge that Fred would be here spouting off about "de Babylon and de bredren" and justifying the destruction of innocent people's homes and livelihoods as "sticking it to da man, man..."

However, on reflection, I don't think he could or would stoop that low.

'So get your feet
Out on the street
When you hear the heat is on

It's gonna be a long hot summer
From now on'

sigh. nostalgia

Would it not be similar to the riots in London earlier this year? A peaceful protest hijacked by others whose only purpose is to destroy, thieve and challenge the power of the police. If what aP says is true though it doesn't sound like it was handled particularly well initially.

The students had a cause, a cause that affects 1000's of students nationwide. I agree with the element that it would have been hijacked by lots of ****tards who've nothing better to do than show anarchy against the country which is no doubt keeping them for free.....

Armed Police don't go out huting armed people unless they have previous..... no smoke without fire etc..

No contribution thus far, but as I read it the only racist here is Mr Monkey himself! Is he assuming all the rioters were from one ethnic group and to criticise their actions is to criticise their race?

It's pretty insane reaction to the information about the original incident known about from afar but add some local knowledge, a heap of rumour, a protest that gets taken over by others, some bored locals and a bunch of alcohol and you can see how it starts.

You feel so sorry for the locals not involved faced with that lots to clear up this morning. And for the young police officers who had nothing to do with the original incident faced with so much hatred.

I notice they burnt out Aldi...

I take it that was a protest against global corporatism and the destruction of local communities, like Tesco's in Bristol?

There are some ignorant and hateful people on STW.

its blatant opportunsim by some nasty people

however id suggest that the mets image is very poor at the moment... de menezes, tomlinson, recently followed by allegations of endemic corruption and collusion with the press can see how the earlier protest may have been quite politically charged

still from the sound of it most of the damage caused by a bunch of scumbags up for trashing things and stealing what they can

There are some ignorant and hateful people on STW.

I should be ashamed of myself; staying in on a Saturday night and not breaking the law and taking exception when people think the behaviour shown in Tottenham can be validated in anyway.

What hope for society when there are people like us who think whats happened is wrong.

I should be ashamed of myself; staying in on a Saturday night and not breaking the law and taking exception when people think the behaviour shown in Tottenham can be validated in anyway.

What hope for society when there are people like us who think whats happened is wrong.

Touche

Some bloke on the radio blaming the police for not stopping the riot.

I should be ashamed of myself; staying in on a Saturday night and not breaking the law and taking exception when people think the behaviour shown in Tottenham can be validated in anyway.

Of course not. Your attempt at a Jamaican style accent betrays your racism though. That you should be ashamed of.

Society will get on just fine with or without your opinions.

of course it's the Polices fault, how could any of these poor souls be held responsible for their own actions; I just hope a mobile soup kitchen is on scene with sustenance, they must be worn out, bless em.

Of course not. Your attempt at a Jamaican style accent betrays your racism though. That you should be ashamed of.

Society will get on just fine with or without your opinions.

My faux accent is that heard in the mouths of most of the kids that I meet, black or white, its origins are irrelavent and I'm not ashamed of anything.

betrays your racism though

Are you frickin serious..

Wait until the Grauniad reads have finished checking their online share portfolios, taken Tamarah to Pony Club and supped their skinny defaf lattes. Then it will all kick off BIG STYLE.

Local people have their environment shat up 'in protest' because two gangs of oppressive gun-wielding ****s have been taking pot shots at each other. What annoys me are the armchair revolutionaries who have never lived in this kind of shithole imagining some kind of solidarity with the rioters (not here in the Daily Mail of cycling, mostly on Twitter/Facebook).

what sort of person sees the death of a man as an opportunity to get some new trainers.

Welcome to Tottenham.

The whole corridor east of the A10 from Stamford Hill through to Waltham Cross is some of the most deprived in Western Europe.

People have killed for less, and will again.

Pull a gun on an armed copper, expect to die. End of. Bring out the water cannon.

I blame this little blighter!!!

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Mousist!

the community under discussion must be harbouring a lot of pent up anxiety and frustration.. and the fact that it is focussed at authority (even though the destruction has been directed elsewhere)must show that some of the kids living in the area must feel very heavily let down by those in power..

It's all very well to be scornful and dismissive of people that aren't exactly like you.. but surely even you hapless wonders spouting vitriol from the safety of your keyboard can understand that the problem is way more complex than right and wrong..?

the only racist here is Mr Monkey himself!

well, i'm not the one who has said...........

It's my democratic right to share [b]my[/b] country.......

or

now I'm just waiting for how the police is all working for Babylon and man dem need to carry heat for protection

or

On the upside, all me bredren got some sweet Reebox and we is rollin' deep in wall mounted plasmas

case dismissed.

It's my democratic right to share my country.......

You are at it again! If I was to say "my country" in a statement there is no inference made that it is also not someoneelses rightful country of a different race unless of couse a racist reader were to choose to read it like that. I read the original in context that skiboy did not enjoy share a country with "trouble making opportunist thieving toss pots". If you read that as an ethnic slur you have problems!

Granted on the other comments - no need. Although as someone else above mentioned, when I go visit my sister in that London (not a million miles from this riot - reminds me to ring her!) young people of all ethnicities talk exactly like that. But that's not what the original posters were infering I suspect so you do have a point.

Any word on whether the dearly departed ever had trials for Leyton Orient yet? That's the usual spiel.

I imagine lamp posts are being adorned with banners for him right now. TRU SOLJA 4 EVA or something.

I imagine lamp posts are being adorned with banners for him right now. TRU SOLJA 4 EVA or something.

That's not even [i]Raoul Moat[/i]ly amusing...

Wonder how many who were looting JJB and setting fires are helping tidy up the community they care so much about?

**** 'em both.

Wow it's like reading the Daily Mail comments section in here 😆

Wow it's like reading the Daily Mail comments section in here

Go on, try adding a comment about the news story (which is why I presume you opened the thread) - you know, expressing an opinion rather than commenting on the comments. You know you want to 😉

Nothing written here will make the blindest bit of difference so your contribution dosn't need to be very insightful - you know you can do it!

the community under discussion must be harbouring a lot of pent up anxiety and frustration

Sorry but bollox, they should be feeling more at ease as there is one less gun and gunman on their streets, working their community.

I imagine lamp posts are being adorned with banners for him right now. TRU SOLJA 4 EVA or something.

Probably. The self confessed Turkish drug dealing gang member who was assissinated as he sat in his Range Rover at the A10 traffic lights at White Hart Lane several years ago still has a roadside shrine dedicated to him on The Roundway.

so very sad for all those people who have lost everything, their homes, workpaces and buisnesses, and the ones who have lost the respect of the rest of us the general public, its going to take a long time for all to get back to normality.

There are some ignorant and hateful people on STW.

And hey, look; quite a few of them have turned up on this thread! Surprise surprise..

As for mistrust and resentment of the Police; I know lots of nice, respectable, White Middle Class people who can't stand Babylon Dem. Why is that, do you think?

I find it interesting the way some posters are already forming scenarios and imagined views of what happened in their heads. As for the 'racism'; sure, it's STW after all, but I think it's more the xenophobia along social lines that's more disturbing. Not at all surprising that it's coming from a few who routinely display narrow-minded ignorance on here though.

Keep it up; this is praps the only place where you will be comfortable enough to vent your own anger, as you're probbly way to cowardly to say owt in 'real life'. Just as well there's the internet, eh?

Earlier in this thread someone used the phrase "no smoke without fire". That goes both ways. Surely there would be no protest "smoke" if there wasn't a tiny wee bit of police "fire" involved somewhere.

The police in that part of the world aren't exaclty portraying themselves in the best way at present.

Did they murder the guy without him pulling a gun - probably not. Was the guy who was killed entirely to blame and was his death the only way to end that particular incident - probably not.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Guy probably had a gun on him, but there was probably a copper with an itchy trigger finger involved somewhere along the line.

Rioting in response to someone being needlessly killed is something that while I dont condone it, I can see why people would do just that.

Go on, try adding a comment about the news story (which is why I presume you opened the thread) - you know, expressing an opinion rather than commenting on the comments. You know you want to

Nothing written here will make the blindest bit of difference so your contribution dosn't need to be very insightful - you know you can do it!

OK, I don't claim to know what it's like growing up in a very deprived area with very little prospects - but I don't imagine many on STW do either. What's that saying: 'Before criticizing a man, walk a mile in his shoes'?

I think destroying your community is pretty stupid behaviour - but I think it's worth thinking about why people feel that angry and alienated, rather than just calling them scum.

FWIW I'm not sure the comments were racist, just part of a general hatred and demonizing of young people in this country.

I blame Sacha Baron Coen - damn Cambridge graduates coming over here and pointing out the stupidity of using skin colour or race as an excuse.

It started with a peaceful march of about 120 people including some sort of vicar to the police station.

It ended with a massive riot, burning, looting and violence.

I think the question to be asked is: what happened to derive the one from the other? These things don't "just happen". There's reasons for them.

Any opportunistic behaviour must have joined in AFTER the initial spark to the conflict.

What that might have been I couldn't say, sitting as I am here overlooking sleepy little Leatherhead where the most violent thing to happen in the whole year was probably someone having an argument outside Wetherspoons....

People should not rush to judgement before all the facts are in and in some notable cases, even then. They only make themselves look stupid.

Did they murder the guy without him pulling a gun - probably not. Was the guy who was killed entirely to blame and was his death the only way to end that particular incident - probably not.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Guy probably had a gun on him, but there was probably a copper with an itchy trigger finger involved somewhere along the line.

Could you actually fit any more conjecture into that - a few too many "probably's" and a significant lack of evidence of any form!

Tell me, if this bloke had been from the EDL, would you be hedging your best that his shooting was "probably" oppressive and aggressive policing? I suppose you cried out that Raoul Moat's shooting was evil police looking for a fight as well? I don't recall seeing the Geordies in the street burning buses over that one!

The self confessed Turkish drug dealing gang member who was assissinated as he sat in his Range Rover at the A10 traffic lights at White Hart Lane several years ago still has a roadside shrine dedicated to him on The Roundway.

So, tell me why exactly a Human Being with family and friends shouldnt have any form of memorial to them?

We put statues up of those who are complicit in Genocide. And we call them 'heroes'.

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I was just about to expolde in rage at Elfin then I realised it must be a massive troll.
Well done good effort, you nearly had me going!

Isn't that against the rules?

grum - much better - a useful contribution.

The mile in someones shoes bit is tricky. Not one of us has sat behind the PM's desk and read the memos and information available at the time but we all have some sort of opinion of what he should or should not be doing. Similarly very few, if any of us are true economic experts yet most have some sort of opinion about the euro/ interest rates/ economic bail outs etc. We could all put caveats on everything we write expressing our total ignorance but that would get boring to read. It's human nature to have opinions and base them on the known facts & experiences as known to the person with the opinions. People are also allowed to have opinions you don't agree with - win them over with a cronstructive statement (like above) rather than just deriding as "dail mail".

Soz to disappoint, but nope, not a troll at all.

I was just about to expolde in rage

Go on, let yourself go; feel the anger coursing through your veins...

Or maybe take a step back, and think about things a bit more.

Was the guy who was killed entirely to blame and was his death the only way to end that particular incident - probably not.

Absolutely he was entirely to blame yes!
We do not live in America where gun crime is almost accepted. Not every police officer here is armed, so those that are, are here to protect the public and other officers. Absolute zero tolerance to gun crime should be enforced. If anyone pulls an illegal firearm in public there is only one end state.

I imagine most of the destroying and thieving will have instigated by people from outside of the community.

i would my self introduce a law saying any one caught with a illegal gun wil be shot with it at the side of the road. i also would have used the army last night.

Yeah but in fairness, ILMG, you're not known for your thoughtfulness and rationality, are you? 😀

I would my self introduce a law saying any one caught with a illegal gun wil be shot with it at the side of the road. i also would have used the army last night.

Yes, but that's because you are an idiot.

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yossarian - Member
I would my self introduce a law saying any one caught with a illegal gun wil be shot with it at the side of the road. i also would have used the army last night.
Yes, but that's because you are an idiot.

**** you!

bye

if they you did this in china they would have used a tank and many many rioters would be dead!

Now now. This might very possibly go on to be a in interesting thread, stimulating debate and discussion and stuff. And people might learn something as a result. Don't go spoiling it with childishness now please...

**** you!