Next time JHJ starts a topic on Middle Eastern arms sales I might flood the thread with quotes on the obscure and ancient rights of the privy council. I’m assuming it’s as relevant and appropriate as what is happening here
Don't sweat it bro, got you covered...
all present remained standing throughout the meeting, as is the custom.
There were many matters to be covered, from specifications of 50p coins celebrating the life of Stephen Hawking, amendments of the charters of a number of universities and societies including the Royal Scottish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, orders preventing further burials in a number of Churchyards across the country, sanctions on Eritrea and even an amendment to the Outer Space act for the Isle of Man!!
But just how is it that this particular meeting of Her Majesty’s Privy Council takes us back over 40 years, to 1976?
I even went so far as to correspond with the Privy Council office to try to get to the bottom of it all...
@jonnyboi FFS look what you've done now! I hope you're pleased with yourself 🙄
You therefore end up with a thread that seems to support one argument as the less shouty folk have gone off riding/have something better to do…
Inability to have a strong opinion about something whilst still maintaining respect and tolerance towards people with a different opinion appears to be the main problem imo.
They seem to see it in the religious context of "good and evil". Their own opinion is obviously "good" therefore the opposite opinion is evil which means that it deserves no respect.
Their own opinion is obviously “good” therefore the opposite opinion is evil which means that it deserves no respect.
Is that not par for the course on any subject of discourse in 2022? It's certainly rampant on social media (twitter being the shining example) and in any of the chat/political threads here.
The days of nuanced and balanced conversation in almost anything other than rare physical spaces are dying a hollywood ragdoll death,
This thread “Thoughts with the Queen and her family” is clearly for people to express their sympathy, not to attack the monarchy.
Nope, despite the thread title (which isn't a good one), this thread has basically become the Monarchy thread. It doesn't make sense to have two threads, one for, and one against, because then you get no discussion and a classic social media bubble of everyone agreeing with each other. I really don't understand the trend on here for wanting to shut down discussion or disagreement.
Besides, we've been force fed days of this sycophantic deferential pantomime on every other channel or platform and have days more to come so I'm not apologising for posting the odd random comment on here. I could say a lot more but there's no real point at the moment when the vast majority are in mindless obedient drone mode.
This request seems incredible to me,” Mr Galut, a former senior Socialist Party official, said. “I respect the sorrow of our English friends but I will not put up the French flag [at half mast] over the municipal buildings of Bourges.” He said later on France 3 television: “We are a republican country. Why should I pay tribute to a foreign monarch?”
To be fair to him, i've had to go to Bourges a few times and it's miserable enough without adding any more 😂
I really don’t understand the trend on here for wanting to shut down discussion or disagreement.
No I don't either. I got a right load of stick a day or two ago when I pointed out that millions of people are sadden by Mrs Windsor's death.
Apparently that made me a forelock-tugging sycophant. The correct revolutionary position, I believe, is to claim that no one is in the least bit sad.
The only folk shouting down any dissent are the royalists. Lots of name calling directed at anyone with the slightest dissent.
It doesn’t make sense to have two threads,
Odd - it totally does to me. I'm a republican but I have no issue with untangling my thoughts about a significant national event (her death and funeral) and a broader discussion about the future of the monarchy and commonwealth and the pros/cons of becoming a republic. In fact I'd go so far as to say I'd be more comfortable to separate it into two threads - but maybe that's because I think I'm a relatively sophisticated person with high levels of empathy towards those who think differently to me about something they find profoundly sad. Also.....as someone prepared to play the long game,..... being an opinionated dick on a thread about a much respected elderly person dying is no way to win the republican argument. I know - age and maturity does strange things to your ability to debate well!
The only folk shouting down any dissent are the royalists. Lots of name calling directed at anyone with the slightest dissent.
I saw a meme about this the other day. For people who like to shout about freedom of speech, cancel culture, snowflakes etc, the right wing get extremely upset when they disagree with other people's FoS and in fact they're the biggest snowflakes of the lot.
Like poppy-wearing...
Thou ist not in black, thy traitorous unmourner! Thou hast not shown sufficient deference!
oldmanmtb2
Its 2022 not 1722… i am a Republican and i respect everyones right to grieve… but **** me this us tedious.
I'm grieving that we missed the chance of a peaceful abolition of the monarchy... not to mention that nut job being put in place.
... and quite frankly there is a whole load of virtue signalling going on around this.
And the police bill thing is frightening, we are sleepwalking into a dictatorship.
It’ll be barmy I’m sure, even more than for that bike race recently. Never seen as many cops where there’s no crime scene. (apart from when that other French bike race was here).
I’m grieving that we missed the chance of a peaceful abolition of the monarchy
Is that the royal ‘we’?
I still see the passing of the Queen as a loss to be marked. Respectfully.
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Hard not to notice that Prince Andrew is apparently going to be back in uniform and full regalia, and have a view on that. Keep it to yourself?
Hard not to hear all the calls of "God Save the King" sound like a step towards the past. The distance past. Keep that thought to yourself?
Hard not to notice phrases like "rule" and "power" being used to positively report on our new Monarch... and think that's out of place if the role really is now non-political. Don't mention it?
Hard not to be chilled by the removal of peaceful protestors who voice their lack of consent as regards our new head of state. Even if you don't agree with them... shouldn't it concern you? Keep those concerns to yourself?
Hard not to notice that the new PM intends to use this period to get her face out there with a tour of the nations with the new Monarch. Only mention that once it's over?
The only folk shouting down any dissent are the royalists. Lots of name calling directed at anyone with the slightest dissent.
I’m actually on the fence over it. And would be fine with an appropriate debate on it. My issue is that this thread has been hijacked by some pretty boorish behaviour by a few
As for ad hominems, if true but not limited to one side it seems!
I could say a lot more but there’s no real point at the moment when the vast majority are in mindless obedient drone mode.
This subject got plenty of airtime on R5L earlier. Plenty of ‘dissent’ shown without censor. You just wouldn’t shoe horn it in to the middle of the funeral March would you?
Odd – it totally does to me. I’m a republican but I have no issue with untangling my thoughts about a significant national event (her death and funeral) and a broader discussion about the future of the monarchy and commonwealth and the pros/cons of becoming a republic. In fact I’d go so far as to say I’d be more comfortable to separate it into two threads – but maybe that’s because I think I’m a relatively sophisticated person with high levels of empathy towards those who think differently to me about something they find profoundly sad. Also…..as someone prepared to play the long game,….. being an opinionated dick on a thread about a much respected elderly person dying is no way to win the republican argument. I know – age and maturity does strange things to your ability to debate well!
@Convert sums it up pretty well for me
In before the thread goes very downhill.
I agree with Kelvin 100%
Third post in, sadly right on the money ☹
And the police bill thing is frightening, we are sleepwalking into a dictatorship.
Several years too late with this.....
Hard not to be chilled by the removal of peaceful protestors who voice their lack of consent as regards our new head of state. Even if you don’t agree with them… shouldn’t it concern you? Keep those concerns to yourself?
If they're having to arrest us now to ensure we carry on loving the Royal Family, then I think their days are numbered.
It's obvious that negativity has caused a great deal of distress for people dealing with grief.
The only sensible option is to remove any negative messages. I should think this will need collaboration between some of the prominent royalist contributors and the moderators to determine the offending posts.
I suggest no future threads about the monarchy are permitted without prior agreement with the moderation team. What we can't have is people in grief innocently clicking on links and being exposed to negative thoughts concerning the monarchy.
I suggest that when any future monarchy-related threads are approved they should carry a warning that they may contain content that a royalist may find disturbing.
Hard not to be chilled by the removal of peaceful protestors who voice their lack of consent as regards our new head of state. Even if you don’t agree with them… shouldn’t it concern you? Keep those concerns to yourself?
No different to someone going to a Pride event with an offensive banner being arrested or moved on.
The right not to be offended is suddenly not working in the way people wanted. Or is it OK to offend one section of society and not another?
Maybe the royalists and the republicans could settle their differences in a matter suitably befitting the era in which the argument should have been settled...
The rest of us could cheer on the bloodbath while waving heraldic flags or copies of Socialist Worker, depending on your leanings
I'm firmly in the 'couldn't give a toss either way' camp (despite being a bit miffed about the cancelled footy - it was Man Yoo v Leeds this weekend).
Lets face it, at the end of the day they were just an olden day dress rehearsal for the Kardashians
As things worth getting worked up about go... meh... it'll all be done and dusted in a week or so and I can get back to ignoring them again and just enjoy a nice day off on Monday. Weather forecast doesn't look bad
No different to someone going to a Pride event with an offensive banner being arrested or moved on.
How is a sign saying "not my king" offensive? I would consider that very different to rocking up at a pride event with a sign stating "gays are bad" (I don't think I would be moved on from a pride event for holding up a placard saying "not my boyfriend"). Also royalty lead a very privileged life, they have a position of great wealth, influence and power, whereas the gay community are still routinely persecuted in everyday life.
I think your comparison, at best, lacks perspective.
I find it really hard to emote over the death of someone I've never met & had precious little influence on my life. It's sad when anyone loses a loved one & my sympathies will always be there for those who want them, but Her Maj? Like I said never met her, never will now so I really don't feel a thing. More upset when Bowie died TBH..
Nothing will ever have the same huge impact as the sad passing of Joe Cocker
Joe Cocker's DEAD!?
NOT MY SINGER!
esselgruntfuttock
Is that the royal ‘we’?
No at all, most and even the overwhelming majority of republicans would much rather see the monarchy deposed peacefully and without bloodshed.
It's 2022 ... a natural death of a last monarch and subsequent election of a head of state would have been one way of achieving this peacefully that has now slipped.
Ultimately, many seem to be mourning the passage of time...
One things for sure, change is coming in one form or another
I find it really hard to emote over the death of someone I’ve never met & had precious little influence on my life. It’s sad when anyone loses a loved one & my sympathies will always be there for those who want them, but Her Maj? Like I said never met her, never will now so I really don’t feel a thing. More upset when Bowie died TBH..
But does your lack of gaf (I'm not too dissimilar) also mean you are unable to appreciate others might feel differently? This seems to be the issue for some. You (and I) might not be too impacted by this but plenty are. I guess it's similar to being an atheist wandering around Vatican City just after the pope has died. You might not really get it, but you hope you'd have the humility not to point and laugh at all the sad people. And it's probably not the right moment to make your 'fairies at the bottom of the garden' joke.
And
Ultimately, many seem to be mourning the passage of time…
Heaven preserve us, The Honey Monster has said something I both understand and agree with!
Besides, we’ve been force fed days of this sycophantic deferential pantomime on every other channel or platform
Strange, I've only read about proceedings when I've actually clicked on a link (which hasn't been often).
Nothing will ever have the same huge impact as the passing of Joe Cocker
You just wait until Keef goes. Ah no, he isn't going to is he?
As things worth getting worked up about go… meh… it’ll all be done and dusted in a week or so and I can get back to ignoring them again and just enjoy a nice day off on Monday.
I couldn't agree more with binners.
I’m a republican but I have no issue with untangling my thoughts about a significant national event (her death and funeral) and a broader discussion about the future of the monarchy and commonwealth and the pros/cons of becoming a republic.
It's weird how people seem to only see the two extremes. I have no idea if I'm a republican or not, and even if I was then I wouldn't be arsed about it because I know it will never change.
I have no desire to debate republicanism on this thread, but it does seem like a reasonable place to have a discussion about the [ complete over-] reaction to the Queen dying and swathes of the country being forced to partake in an enforced period of Schmarrn that they have no interest in or desire to do.
I think some of the other posters feel the same, and you can bet that by next Tuesday huge numbers will also feel that way.
But does your lack of gaf (I’m not too dissimilar) also mean you are unable to appreciate others might feel differently? This seems to be the issue for some. You (and I) might not be too impacted by this but plenty are. I guess it’s similar to being an atheist wandering around Vatican City just after the pope has died. You might not really get it, but you hope you’d have the humility not to point and laugh at all the sad people. And it’s probably not the right moment to make your ‘fairies at the bottom of the garden’ joke.
I think I'm being quite empathetic & I am definitely not making fun of someone's loss. Not sure how you came to that TBH..
Not sure how you came to that TBH..
I didn't - sorry if you took that as the implication. What I said was "This seems to be the issue for some" - implying other posters.....i.e. not you or me.
It’s 2022 … a natural death of a last monarch and subsequent election of a head of state would have been one way of achieving this peacefully that has now slipped.
& how exactly would this have come about given that 2/3rds of the population support a continuation of the monarchy?
The wife runs a gift shop in a coastal village.
She is always open on Bank Holidays apart from Christmas and Boxing Day. The whole village is based on tourism.
There is now talk that the small businesses should remain closed, at least for the duration of the funeral.
I think that's pretty shit.
Joe Cocker’s DEAD!?
Was that in the out-takes because I think the Brian Blessed line was 'GORDON'S ALIVE!?!'?
Off on a tangent, but there are other countries (eg Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden) which still have monarchs but my impression is that they have a lighter touch than we've had in the past. Not sure how it looks from the inside of those countries and whether the monarchs still have any notional or real power, but moving in that direction would seem to be the sort of step that could be taken so we retain the figurehead but lose a lot of the clutter that goes with it. I'm guessing there is a tidal wave of 'tradition' pushing back against any sort of change, so it's not going to be quick even if Charles (or William) wanted to go down that route.
The wife runs a gift shop in a coastal village.
She is always open on Bank Holidays apart from Christmas and Boxing Day. The whole village is based on tourism.
There is now talk that the small businesses should remain closed, at least for the duration of the funeral.
I think that’s pretty shit.
tbh the venn diagram overlap between people who buy stuff in a gift shop and people who'll want to watch the funeral on the telly will be verging on complete. She'd more usefully use the time to do something else - there will be no business for a gift shop during that time period.
There is now talk that the small businesses should remain closed, at least for the duration of the funeral.
Surely that is down to individual businesses.
There will be a lot of folk watching the event but around the rest or the day.
Is it really 2/3rds who support a monarchy? Didn’t realise it was that high. Any source?
That’s quite amazing that 40 million people support a monarchy. If you take into account the amount of people who are undecided, then the amount of people who want abolishment must be a fairly small percentage.
I’m on the fence. I’m just asking for open and frank discussions and see this as the ideal time.
Maybe not within the next two weeks. But we could have delayed Prince Charles becoming Kind Charles.
In hindsight… separate threads for the loss of the Queen, and the accession of the King, would have been wise.
But we could have delayed Prince Charles becoming Kind Charles.
Not we could not. Wish we could of. If we had then that was the end of the Monarchy.
Prince Charles became King Charles the moment his mother passed away. God appointed him automatically. That's how Royalty works. Apart from when someone kills them in a battle or something, then God appoints them. It's all a bit strange.
