[Closed] The European experiment is over.

Wasted on swimmers. Most of them are just staring at the bottom of the pool. They should make the bottom of the pool a big flat screen telly. Missed a trick there.

As for 'permanently', you can see into the future then, Hora?

(Lets not bother with Greece on this one).

Then there are other new EU countries joining all crying out for investment etc.

If we really must have a EU maybe it should be a smaller 4-nation nucleus with 'special understanding' (a 2-tier affair) instead.

Next Elf you'll be inviting the Somalians to join.

When was the last time that Spain or Portugal was a rich, prosperous and influential country?

Erm, it's been a while, sure, but do you know nothing about South America?

Next Elf you'll be inviting the Somalians to join.

You just make yourself look an arse by saying things like that. It's obvious you know bugger all about bugger all Hora. You're very blinkered. Although considering Somalia is a land that has been ruthlessly exploited for European gain, particularly Britain and Italy, then maybe we do owe them something, yeah.

Elf the Pirates are to blame for everything.

If they kidnapped [i]you[/i], Hora, [i]they'd[/i] pay money to get rid of you...

Elf I'd re-organise them. Give them a proper organisational structure with a rocket launcher for each and every man along with a comfort-whore. I'd also ensure they each get their own STW login.

does the design of the swimming place catch the water to fill the pool?
it looks pretty cool
Ignore Hora on all serious issues that require thought , encourage him and prod him on less serious issues. Like you would treat a cross between Jeremy Kyle and a Loose women host

Junkyard- Im sure I saw you once wear a headscarf on a ride. I actually thought you'd look good as a pirate 😆

Going back to the original topic. Working in Sweden with the bairns growing up in another country I think the European ideal is great if you can make use of it. Learn another language, travel, widen your world a bit. Going on holiday is not the same as you don't reap the benefits like being able to claim Child benefit and have access to healthcare or having a real experience of the country. I also feel that we all have about the same principles as Europeans and we believe in similar things like Freedom of the press and a government that should help balance society and help the underdog.

The children do see themselves as British but are Europeans as well I want them to have as big world as possible that they see themselves a part of.

There are of course interesting differences as the British, (Not English in particular) are rubbish at planning anything for the future, more selfish, but are more go getting and independent thinking. I think some of this comes from the influence of the USA (The idea of small government being good for the common people, no its not its good for corporations to rip off the common people!), lack of space in the UK, and the tolerance we have had to have living in a country consisting of 4 countries and traditionally many descenting religions.

[pirate voice] AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH [ /pirate voice]
i have a boat as well

That's that then. Junkyard is a pirate.

Problem solved, thread closed.

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I don't agree with TJ on this issue, as I can't see long-term benefits from such a schism, but I can appreciate his arguments, and respect his point of view. If people are just going to insult him via the tags, then that's just negative and stupid.

At what point has Tandem Jeremy shown any respect for others? 😆 He's gotta be the Top Troll on STW! I don't think I have ever seen any post from him that isn't highly polarized and he'll invariably jump in with an unjustified fierce attack on those who's opinions differ from his own. Definite trolling! If he's not trolling, then he must be pretty daft.

If he was a bit more balanced and respectful of others, it is unlikely people would feel the need to post annonymous derrogatory tags about him!

If that's a troll, it's pretty good. Had me going for a minute or so. Surely it's a troll?

I think TJ is quite right.

About everything...

Undoubtedly, especially about how lethal helmets are!

Spongebob - I suggest you read your posts on page i. Full of opinion as fact, full of actual factual inaccuracies, full of cant and bias

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

I was on the receiving end of a concerted attack from the small minded for daring to introduce the truth to spoil their paranoid fantasies based of factual inaccuracies and misinformation.

Thats an unnecessarily flowery way of saying he's right. I whole-heartedly concur. He is indeed right. About absolutely everything. I personally wish he was running the country.

Here's hoping eh? We can but dream 😉

To go back to the original statement, I believe that if the European structure as we know it really does blow apart, then we are all pretty thoroughly done for for a very long time. It's not going to be pretty or nice and - one of the reasons that I am pro-Euro - relegates us all to non-entity status in the world. OK, that's opinion but one I hold pretty strongly.

Let's all ride the euro-sausage

TJ does not troll why do people say something just to get a reaction - now that is pathetic and sad.

binners would never stoop so low as lazy trolling, would he?

I agree

And if we're riding the Euro-sausage, can I have the Bratwurst please?

Oh golly
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