[Closed] The European experiment is over.

losing their soverignty

Oh FFS, you sound like my mother

Well she was right, you shouldnt sleep with girls of easy virtue!

elfin, my point being that the houses of parliament being that quintessentially english building for the teeny tiny englanders when really it isn't and has that whole mish mash of influence going on in it.

and geda, less diverse than say malmo? or my family for that matter who are all argentinian/chilean/korean/english/french/swedish and some sort of middle eastern that i haven't quite figured out. kind of the worst sort of immigrants from a sweden democrat perspective.

Oh FFS, you sound like my mother. They haven't lost their sovereignty, they just have to do what bigger fish tell them to do with their money for a while. The tricolour hasn't been lowered from the Dáil yet.

Just quoting what I read, don't get upset poppet.

A basic measure of sovereignty is being able to set your own taxes and spending is it not? Perhaps we would be more sensitive to it's existence if we were in the same position.

Swiss01 the whole point of Sweden in sameness surely?

Jantes Law..

The ten rules state:

1. Don't think you're anything special.
2. Don't think you're as much as us.
3. Don't think you're wiser than us.
4. Don't convince yourself that you're better than us.
5. Don't think you know more than us.
6. Don't think you are more than us.
7. Don't think you are good at anything.
8. Don't laugh at us.
9. Don't think anyone cares about you.
10. Don't think you can teach us anything.

An eleventh rule recognized in the novel is:

11. Don't think there's anything we don't know about you

Yankee law:
[i]The taxi drives near "L'arc de Triomphe":

Texan : "What is that ?"
Taxi Driver: "It is our triumphal arch"
Texan: "How long did it take to build it ?"
Taxi Driver: "It should have took five years"
Texan: "Heh, in my country it takes 3 days"

The taxi drives near "Notre Dame":

Texan: "What is that ?"
Taxi Driver: "It is our church, Notre Dame"
Texan: "How long did it take to build it ?"
Taxi Driver: "Hooo, near 40 years."
Texan: "Heh, in my country it takes 6 days"

Now the taxi driver starts to be a little bit nervous.
It is now driving near "La Tour Eiffel":

Texan: "What is that ?"
Taxi Driver: "What ? I do not know, it was not there this morning"[/i]

This is my favourite Fred

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Very relevant to this thread. Built as an alternative seat of government. It was from when us northerners were getting uppity about not having the influence our wealth-generation merited. Sound familiar?

It was however built by contributions from local businessmen, instead of the taxpayers money from a neighboring country you claim to despise 😉

elfin, my point being that the houses of parliament being that quintessentially english building for the teeny tiny englanders when really it isn't and has that whole mish mash of influence going on in it.

What on Earth are you talking about? 🙄

Sorry, you've lost me.

Meanwhile....

The Stortinget Norwegian Parliament in Oslo:

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Great Hall in the Palace of Westminster:

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Bangladesh Parliament, Dacca:

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I'm not getting upset but all this bollocks of losing sovereignty is bollocks and hysterics. Don't blame me for pointing out when you and other gullible eejits fall for it...poppet 🙂 It's Irish media hyperbole designed to whip up the public and destabilise the government.

Stoner's latter point is far more pertinent 😀

That's a town hall Binners, so not relevant on this thread I'm afraid. 🙁

It's not bad, but I'm afraid Bradford's is better. Sorry.

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World famous crescent etc

The Germans will no longer have to grind their teeth about bailing out the rest of Europe

I find this is a funny quote taken from the OP's link , the German people/government were quite happy to accept financial aid from the rest of Europe when east and west were reunited.

'World famous'? I have no idea where on Earth that is, sorry. Looks quite impressive though. 🙁

Inside the Reichstag looks pretty funky:

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And they weren't mucking about when they built the Romanian Parliament, were they?? 😯

[i]'[b]Think[/b] in Russian..'[/i]

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I've stood outside that builing in Romania Fred. In the flesh its about as impresssive as a council high-rise

TJ's gone awfully quiet hasn't he? Perhaps he's reading the transcript of his glorious leaders 'Celtic Lion' speeches and planning a more Braveheart Approach to 'FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOM' 😉

Bolton - architects did visit it for its beauty apparently. It is quite nice but I was just carrying on with the northern town hall themes
did you work out why whisk[s]E[/s]y was wrong ?

No, World Parliament buildings only please. We can do Town Halls another day.

Binners; what were you doing in Bucaresti? Trying to sell Hora? 😯

The Dutch Parliament in Den Haag looks very 'Dutch', which I think is good:

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Seeing as we're going off on Northern architectural tangents. How about this

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Apparently this building saved Manchester from a lot of Bombing during the second world war. Hitler had seen it as an architecture student visiting Manchester, and had pencilled it in as his northern office when he took over the country

It looks like it's got 'sunburnt'.

Very Northern, then. 😀

and had pencilled it in as his northern office when he took over the country

That would have been Hora's office next to the air con units, I would have thought

another vote for the budapest parliament
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as for the european experiment being over
i thought it was about altruism; germany and france etc willing to support the weaker economies and help build a better and stronger europe
riding this out will be a real test of character for them

what is it binners Victoria towers???
I asume that is the library top right
I have seen the one in Den Haag I was enjopying my democratic right to get stoned on the steps of a parliament 8)
they took the beer from me it was illegal to drin k on the streets ...proper civilized those Dutch

I think the best quote in all these sorry sagas was from the Iceland President who said that the reason Iceland is now better off than Ireland is because Iceland let the banks fail. Of course Iceland were then declared a terrorist state by the UK, but that's a small price worth paying surely? 😀

Its the Midland Hotel Junkyard. All the buildings are great round that part of town

Fred - I was in Bucharest people trafficing for Hora. He has to keep all his northern 'Massage Parlour's' stocked at Minimal cost, so he's expanded into recruitment drives in Eastern Europe.

I am merely the conduit for his tyrannical ambitiotns

yes was living the high life when in manchester all those years ago patchy memories but it was fun

The William TJ Wallace tag is a corker btw

🙂

Remind me TJ...

Why did the Scottish nation give up their sovereignty in the first place?

I mean, they had independence, their own government, everything...

Just what circumstances lead Scotland into the treaty and subsequent act of union in 1707? I mean, was it [i]forced[/i] upon you? or something to do with the huge financial mess you all got yourselves into last time you were responsible for your own finances...

just asking like 😉

I mean, was it forced upon you?

He's not Scottish. 😉

The William TJ Wallace tag is a corker btw

Yeah well you may find it funny, but I think it's quite rude actually, and cowardly. If people want to challenge TJ, then they should do it in a post, where their username will be visible.

I don't agree with TJ on this issue, as I can't see long-term benefits from such a schism, but I can appreciate his arguments, and respect his point of view. If people are just going to insult him via the tags, then that's just negative and stupid.

Just shows a lack of balls, to have to resort to using tags to insult someone. Not to mention an abuse of the tag facility.

Maybe all those who've posted insulting tags should receive a mandatory one-day ban. Maybe that would teach them not to be so rude. 🙁

It's still funny though, just cowardly too. I don't suppose that TJ could care less, mind.

I'll call him a Silicone Scot right to his face 🙂

EDIT - just added it to the tags too - seems onlyright 😉

Fred, I'm not sure that [i]you[/i] should be recommending bans 😀

I was going to post a tag but I'll just say it: Effin, you're missus is a slayg 🙂

Yeah well you may find it funny, but I think it's quite rude actually, and cowardly. If people want to challenge TJ, then they should do it in a post, where their username will be visible.

you rslicka fred. Mr Moral all of a sudden are we?

Fred, I'm not sure that you should be recommending bans

Actually, I'm a 'model of good behaviour'. [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/a-note-on-the-rules#post-2016573 ]Grumpy Mark said so[/url]. 🙂

No by all means discuss things, but hiding behind tags is just cowardly. Have the balls to say what you mean in a post. Or just keep schtum.

Mr Moral all of a sudden are we?

Well, I've never voted Tory, if that's what you mean... 😉

Could someone explain why we should be revelling in buildings designed to be the embodiment of control, power and the omnipotence of govt. over the people ?

I'm truly suprised at some of you.

It's an appreciation of architecture, rather than what the buildings represent, really.

Iceland has perhaps one of the most modest Parliamentary buildings:

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Welcome to SupineanarchistTrackWorld 😉

It's an appreciation of architecture, rather than what the buildings represent, really.

Take the meaning out of any work of art and you're left with a pretty shallow appreciation imho.
In the case of govt buildings, then the meaning is pretty hard to ignore.
As it happens I studied Pugin as part of my degree, there's all sorts of symbolism and meaning tied up in the H of P, a return to the old religion and all that stuff, personally it all looks rather faux to me. Give me a good old medieavel English church to rummage around. Now they've got layers of control, power and omnipotence over the people written all over them.

You guys still raving on.

A few points to ponder
1) nowhere did I say I was in favour of Scottish independence
2) the speech binners quotes says nothing about bank regulation policy so he clearly is just guessing
3) why are yo all so vehement on this issue? Surely if Scotland is a drain on the UK economy you would be better off without them.
4) Why so petulant and unpleasant?

TandemJeremy - Member
You guys still raving on.

Pot, kettle, etc, TJ! 😉

You guys still raving on.

No, we're all bored with it and now we're talking about something else, but you seem determined to drag it back up.

Why so petulant and unpleasant ?

A very good question. Why do you insist on calling people little Englanders because they have a contrary opinion to you on the issue ? I'd like to see you stereotype other nationalities then try to justify it.

TJ Approved Racism dontchaknow.

Erm, Tandem Jeremy not sure you are quite right with your claim of "[i]The south east are the subsidy junkies sucking money out of the rest of the UK, Scotland is a net contributor to the UK[/i]."

In 2008 it was reported that London and the South East paid £1 of every £6 collected in tax to fund services in other regions, and other reports consistently show that the SOuth East receives a lower level of central allocations to councils i.e. they receive a lower central contribution to services than the regions.

And before you say it, the study in the link below attributes all North Sea Oil revenue to Scotland - the south east still makes a net contribution to the North:

[url= http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article4842424.ece ]Times Article[/url]

Farmer John - there are a number of ways of doing these sums that show whatever you want. However in total government spending per head of population the south east is by far the highest.

A lot of what is reported as tax collected in the south east is in fact UK wide companies with HQs there.

There is a decades long history of fiddling the figures for Scotland. Have a look at McCrone report

Well I am off to work now.

I do find the ravings of the little Englanders amusing on this. To call them little Englanders for their small minded attitudes is not racist.

So why against the EU union but pro the UK union?

Oh thats OK then.
So tight-fisted scots,
smelly french and
stupid yanks are all fair game in TJland then?

I shall remember that next time you come out with the self-righteous hypocritical bumf you trip out about "casual racism on the forum" like you're some kind of ghandi.

[i]I do find the ravings of the little Englanders amusing on this. To call them little Englanders for their small minded attitudes is not racist.[/i]

Ah, so like the cowardly French, the thick Irish it's Ok providing I'm only referring to cowardly thick ones.

/bollocks! Too slow typing 🙂

I do find the ravings of the little Englanders amusing on this. To call them little Englanders for their small minded attitudes is not racist

I guess stereotyping is OK as long as you say it's OK ?

I guess stereotyping is OK as long as you say it's OK ?

For the Left, anything is OK as long as it's them doing it. 😉

Can we leave the Irish out of this please you racists?!

TJ:

A lot of what is reported as tax collected in the south east is in fact UK wide companies with HQs there.

Oh, you mean like Royal Bank of Scotland for example? Owner of National Westminster Bank?

I do find the ravings of the little Englanders amusing on this. To call them little Englanders for their small minded attitudes is not racist.

it's pretty rich for a parochial Scot to start muck slinging.

He may be parochial, but he's not a Scot. (IIRC, apologies if I am wrong)

To call them little Englanders for their small minded attitudes is not racist

Not racism, but an unpleasant and unreasonable prejudice, attitude and hostility toward England and English people.

And though you may now laugh it off, I think deep down, you mean it. 🙁

nope, you're right CFH. McTJ has the evangelical lilt of the converted.

So why against the EU union but pro the UK union?

Judge a tree by its fruit.

United Kingdom: first modern state, industrial revolution, empire. the end of thousands of years of internecine warfare, X-factor.

European Union: Jumped the shark with the Euro. They're all doomed now.

Best thing the Irish can do is hope the Germans leave the Euro and then it'll devalue and their debts will become a bit more manageable.

McTJ

Genuis! The Happy Meal of Scottish politics!

Let's not forget he's at work at the moment...so won't be here to stick up for himself.

Darcy, lest we forget...

The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.

😉

I do find the ravings of the little Englanders amusing on this. To call them little Englanders for their small minded attitudes is not racist.

No it's not, and I agree with TJ on this point. In fact, Stoner, Flashy and Z-11 are all perfect examples of 'Little Englanders'; people so ignorant of the world beyond their own cosy little bubble that they think their opinions are the only ones worth considering. People who, in spite of decent educations, are still woefully ignorant of the lives and experiences of others; people they are often quick to belittle and dismiss as unimportant. People who time and time again demonstrate ignorant, stuck-up insular attitudes which betray their prejudice towards others who don't measure up to their own standards.

One interesting thing I've noticed on here, is that all the 'Lefties' seem to be amicable friendly types who often talk of going for rides with other forum members, yet the Little Englanders seldom do this, preferring, most probably, to stick to their 'own kind' and seem loathe to actually mix with others. Funny, that.

See; agree or disagree with TJ, but he does at least have the balls to stand up for what he believes in, and is prepared to meet others, have a laugh and that. Who's ever met Flashy? He's too scared people might see through that pathetic faux-toff ponce persona.

So, slag TJ off all you like, but he's more of a man than the rest of you put together.

EURO, EU superstate, European govt, United State of European nations whatever ... I can see them coming ... 😆

p/s: only those that need handouts will be benefited the most while the rest hard-working ones feed them for the rest of their lives.

No it's not, and I agree with TJ on this point. In fact, Stoner, Flashy and Z-11 are all perfect examples of 'Little Englanders'; people so ignorant of the world beyond their own cosy little bubble that they think their opinions are the only ones worth considering

patronising little turd.

And just to save you from the effort, you can say you won the argument because I resorted to a personal insult if you like. I really dont care. I think you're patronising little turd and I feel better when I type it out a few times.

In fact the only time they get together is to form a bullying mob.

I guess when the nearest you've ever been to a fight is putting a gun or a pack of hounds between you and your prey, then cowardice comes naturally. 😐

EDIT: Cheez, they're all coming out of the woodwork now.

With all due respect to the participants- this is an exceptionally awful thread.

patronising little turd.

Heh heh! There you go! The man who is brave enough to insult people on here, yet doesn't have the balls to meet up in real life for a pint to discuss things! 😆

Come on Stoner, what you scared of? A scrote like me? Surely a mayn of your education and intellect can outdo some pleb from a council estate?

Ha ha!

Go on; I'll even nick the money out of your wallet to buy you a pint. 😉

people so ignorant of the world beyond their own cosy little bubble that they think their opinions are the only ones worth considering. People who, in spite of decent educations, are still woefully ignorant of the lives and experiences of others; people they are often quick to belittle and dismiss as unimportant. People who time and time again demonstrate ignorant, stuck-up insular attitudes which betray their prejudice towards others who don't measure up to their own standards.

Whoah, Pot, meet Kettle! 😆

And just to save you from the effort, you can say you won the argument because I resorted to a personal insult if you like. I really dont care. I think you're patronising little turd and I feel better when I type it out a few times.

Ooh, has someone wet their knickers? Ah, diddums! 😆

Eee, they don't like it up 'em, do they, eh?

So, it's ok to insult and slag TJ off, but when someone has a pop at you, you get all cross and have a little tantrum. Never mind, nursey will be along to wipe your botty for you...

Thanks for proving me right, Stoner. 😉

My work here is done....

EU = polishing turd?

End of.

😆

chewkw, have this;
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Superb!

My work here is done....

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"The caterpillar is almost dead, and then its last goal in life is to create a cocoon-like house for the vulnerable wasp larvae."

the 'Lefties' seem to be amicable friendly types

Regarding the 'world famous crescent' photo, this is a world-famous crescent:

i thought the bolton one predated the bath one and that the later was based on the former. is it the other way round?

To be honest, I don't really know. I do know, however, which I would rather live on! 😉

Don't be so sure flashy, have you ever tried to park on the bath crescent? Bloody murder.

Surely a mayn(sic) of your education and intellect can outdo some pleb from a council estate?

Public school educated pleb though eh Fred 😉

(OK, for a very short time I believe.)

Elfinsafety - Member

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Ooh, has someone wet their knickers? Ah, diddums!

Eee, they don't like it up 'em, do they, eh?

You been upsetting people again fella ?

So what happened to the new, tamed, "mod-approved" Elfinman ?

Good lad...........I never did like your new docile version.

many of the bath ones are pokey little flats these days so they will be comparable to your bedsit 😉

the 'Lefties' seem to be amicable friendly types

I have met Stoner - bought a balance bike from him. He seemed perfectly amiable in real life. Sadly I knocked myself out on Nan bield on the ride so not much of that day is recalled

I have really got to stop drinking so much because I dont recall that at all 😉

(really, we've not met JY so dont feel any compunction to defend me from the patronising turd)

I am astounded at the vitriol aimed at TJ.

So can someone please explain to me, what is wrong with the citizens of a country wanting democratic self rule?

He seemed perfectly amiable in real life

Stoner is indeed a top geezer......a right proper gentleman in fact.

Although I've long suspected that he is a bit of a closet leftie (in the bourgeois liberal/One Nation sense of the word)

He is also considerably taller than an elfin. And iirc, he has rather large feet.

i am confused now then 😕
fair enough then I shall let the ultra left defend you and your feet 😉

thing is I reckon ernie is so far left wing he comes all the way round to the centre right again 😉