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Peugeot e208 going into the 2nd hand market – and good riddance. Awful bloody car
For interest, what was wrong with it? It was on my shortlist but I bought an e-Up.
I like the Transit colour. I'd expect an 80 kWh battery to reach the claimed range.
Awful bloody car
Should have bought a Zoé. 😉 Or more seriously, how much worse was it than the Leaf?
Still happy with our Kia (apart from a 12v battery issue that caused it not to unlock or power on once) and now the weather is warmer, the range is up to the claimed 450km per charge.
I should really keep a better track of the economy and energy usage, but the last month is running at 13.03 kWh/100km.
@Mark - any idea of the Lead time for your EV6? I should have the option to choose a company car (Electric only) next week and lead times for VW at least seem to be an issue.
We've been given a rather standard 12-20 weeks for delivery.
My BMW i3S lease finishes in August, my company have just changed the lease company they use (salary sacrifice) and the options are more expensive and long lead times.
So I get to extend the i3 and keep it for another year, as much as it would be good to have something new for the novelty I’m not disappointed. It’s been excellent for us, mostly just for commuting and running about locally in.
The replacements available in the same sort of price range are the Fiat 500, Smart Car and Leaf. Anything else was much more expensive and I’m not sure those options would be any better.
Theres a lot of chat on my work forum about EVs as we have a Tusker Sal Sac scheme. All manfacturers lead times are growing, many over year now. My ioniq5 ordered in Nov was due early March, now gone back to early August.
My A6 PCP finished in March, so I cashed in on the ridiculous 2nd hand values and sold it for @£5k profit. Im renting an EV via an ELMO subscription to bridge the gap. Currently in a MG5 LR estate, which Im very pleased with. For the cheapest EV with decent range its great. The one downside is max 50kW charging speed.
Its advances like that by Nissan that I hope will come to fruition before I next change van car vehicle.
Yeah I can see us keeping the Merc for a while if no-one's commuting in this house, for that reason - that or waiting for supply of used EVs to pick up.
If there are 600 mile Nissan EVs on the market in 2028 I'll be happy to pick up a 2022 Ioniq 5 with a 300 mile range by then.
I like the Transit colour. I’d expect an 80 kWh battery to reach the claimed range.
with that frontal area and aerodynamic properties I'd be extremely surprised. a transit custom runs around 200g/km of co2 with a weedy diesel engine. A small car, like a diesel golf would be half that. The id3 needs 60kwh battery to do a similar range, so I would say 100-120kwh would be required to pull that brick around
with that frontal area and aerodynamic properties I’d be extremely surprised. a transit custom runs around 200g/km of co2 with a weedy diesel engine. A small car, like a diesel golf would be half that. The id3 needs 60kwh battery to do a similar range, so I would say 100-120kwh would be required to pull that brick around
I'm only quoting from Ford, but the claim for the mahoosive high-roof, full-size Transit is "A 400-volt battery with 68 kWh of usable power does all the hard work, so you’ll never have to worry about low-emission zones again. The E-Transit battery delivers an impressive range of up to 166-196 miles (WLTP test results. 196-mile WLTP Overall Range reflects a combined driving cycle and 166-mile WLTP Extra High range reflects motorway driving)* on a full charge" ( https://www.ford.co.uk/vans-and-pickups/e-transit )
I'd hope the slightly smaller frontal area of the Transit Custom would improve on those slightly for the same battery capacity.
There should be an optional different body shape that's more aero. I appreciate that vans often need to be boxy, but you could provide the same van platform with a different shape on top for those who don't need it to be that shape.
65kWh takes the Jumpy 330km, 5lab. 80/65 x 330 = 406. I don't see any reason to change my estimate and you guesses are not realistic.
ooo... Tesla opened up some UK superchargers to non-Tesla cars today. That will really start to add competition to the bad charging networks. Hopefully that will mean a general improvement in the public charging network as a whole.
ooo… Tesla opened up some UK superchargers to non-Tesla cars today. That will really start to add competition to the bad charging networks. Hopefully that will mean a general improvement in the public charging network as a whole.
Popped into Membury Services yesterday, and yet again the 2 Gridserves were full (luckily i was on one them )and there were just 2 Teslas in the 20 odd bays for them. I guess it will work when its not busy , but they are taking away one the main USP's for buying a Tesla ( IMO)
If they made 25% available to others it would be a good start.
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It’d be great if they keep the same 68kWh battery and 180bhp or 265bhp outputs of the full-size E-Transit.
I've often thought "wouldn't the roads be much nicer if white van man had 265bhp to play with"
I think the govt should mandate a minimum of 2 chargers per site, penalising any provider with a bad serviceability record.
An ask if I may, I finally got the authorisation to get a company car, but which one? I needs to be Electric, and leased ideally at a max of £355 a month over 36 months with maintenance - otherwise I have to pay the extra, something I don’t really want to do as I’m tight fisted these days otherwise the worlds my oyster.
It also needs to get me from London to Gloucester with 7kw charger available during the day while I’m in Gloucester. Finally and ideally it needs to be able to take my bikes in the back, and be suitably comfy/entertaining for long journeys - think Salesman.
My original list before the price restriction was I4 or EV6, can’t stand Teslas.
ID.4 is a nice looking car (and quite big), but the EV6 is an acquired taste, despite being a really well put together vehicle.
I came to suggest the eNiro, but it needs. tow bar fitted at the factory and will only carry 350kg, so a bike rack and that's it. Hyundai do the Ioniq5 that's equivalent to the EV6 and should have enough range to get you there and back. I think it looks a bit better than the EV6, but that is personal.
Honestly? I think you will struggle to get an ID.4 at your available lease rate. Maybe the other two, maybe not, certainly more of a chance than a base model VW EV.
Just spotted This from a couple of months ago.
Looks like no Dacia spring for the UK and the replacement platform probably won't land here before 2025 depending on what badge it's wearing. That's yet another blow for affordable EVs in the UK.
Honestly? I think you will struggle to get an ID.4 at your available lease rate.
This is kind of why I posted. The lease costs seem to be in the region of £450 a month at least, so it’s pushing me to continue with the 320d / Bangermomics kuga for another year and keep the £355 as a taxable allowance. I posted cause I feel I’m missing something…
Dont fit an external bike rack. It will trash your range so you will need a much bigger battery to overcome that drag.
My bikes fit fine in the back of my Ioniq with the seats down. How far is the London to Gloucester trip?
Don't forget that in any car you can stop for a quick 10 min top up to get to your destination, doesn't have to be the full 45 mins.
123 miles London to Gloucester according to Google. That'd be easily doable in an Ioniq, Kona, Leaf etc.
I’ve often thought “wouldn’t the roads be much nicer if white van man had 265bhp to play with”
No worse than 350bhp Audi driver or 500bhp SUV owners.
Mrs a11y's got an interest in electric for her next vehicle now but still a few years away from it in reality. Things like the Ioniq etc fit all criteria for her at the moment, but then she's piped up that an e-Berlingo would be great for biking/family trips. Potentially on a winner there.
...and back in the same day allowing for a cold wet winter.
Yes, bikes would go in the back thats the intention. I think I may have to add £200 of my own money for something decent - it needs to be a 3 years lease - and look at it as a £2400 a year new car purchase at home I guess. I'd prefer an EV6 over the IONIQ, and the I4 over both of those.
The sale of the Kuga on WBAC would pay for a decent tow bar & some all seasons on the 320d and we already have a Thule for that.
Obvs I'm trying to get something for "free" if I can. Mrs K would also use it for school runs when I'm WFH.
and back in the same day allowing for a cold wet winter.
I wouldn't hesitate to do that in my Ioniq EV in winter. Worst economy I've ever had on a damp windy cold motorway trip was 4.5m/kWh. The range is about 170 miles in those conditions, so you'd get there with about 50 miles left. You'd only need to put back in 18 or so kWh to get home, but on a 7kW charger the time from 0-100% is only 6.5hrs so you'd easily get enough charge in. Let's assume you averaged 6kW at the charger (it's not always at max speed) you would be able to draw 24kWh. It's not 100% efficient to charge though, probably 85% or so, so you're looking at 20kWh into the battery so chances are you'd end up full or nearly full for your return journey. And if you are stuck in a massive jam or face a huge diversion or whatever then just stop somewhere on the way home for literally ten minutes and top it up.
Ioniq 5/EV6/iD4 are better cars though, they're more expensive. The biggest issue with the iD4 is that the heat pump doesn't come as standard. So unless you can spec it, you might end up with resistive heating which really will screw up your winter range.
Kryton - I had the small battery ID4 and I really struggled to get on with it. It was comfy and loads of storage but over winter the battery took a hammering (no heat pump) and I was struggling with the range it gave me. I swapped it for an EV6 and it's much better (about £15k more expensive admittedly). The storage is less but the car seems better built, a better drive and the IT/computer stuff far more useful.
My EV6 is just north of Bristol and often in the Forest of Dean - you're welcome to have a look sometime.
a11y
No worse than 350bhp Audi driver or 500bhp SUV owners
Lol of course it's worse, because somebody driving an expensive car 9/10 times will want to take good care of it. Basically polar opposite to a white van man.
somebody driving an expensive car 9/10 times will want to take good care of it.
A tangent, but most of the people driving those new expensive cars don't own them, they're company cars.
Anyway, there was a notable lack of people doing 90-100 on the M4 yesterday evening. Seems like a combination of high fuel cost and the fact that driving fast destroys the range on your now electric company car seems to keep a lid on things.
Thea lease prices for electric cars seem to have gone up quite a lot recently. I remember looking late last year and there were plenty of ID3, ID4s and Ioniq 5s that were well under £350/m and an Ev6GT was coming in at £426, but now, almost everything is at or above this rate. I guess that's supply and demand for you.
Thanks for the feedback on heat pumps, I had no idea about such things.
@Mintman thanks for that offer I might take you up on that, and useful to know.
Thanks for the feedback on heat pumps, I had no idea about such things.
My much cheaper Ioniq has one tho 🙂
The lease prices for electric cars seem to have gone up quite a lot recently
Yeah it's a terrible time to buy or lease to be fair. That said, I think demand is stratospheric, and whatever supply appears will be snapped up. And if that slows they'll just knock the prices a bit and get everyone who couldn't previously afford in one, and repeat.
This is kind of why I posted. The lease costs seem to be in the region of £450 a month at least, so it’s pushing me to continue with the 320d / Bangermomics kuga for another year and keep the £355 as a taxable allowance. I posted cause I feel I’m missing something…
its worth mentioning the ev would be pretty much tax free, so if you have a £350 allowance + £100 buyup, it might only be costing you ~£250 after tax
in other news, the id-buzz has been priced in germany. £55k for the only model (with seats)
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/05/vw-id-buzz-to-start-at-e64581-in-germany-cargo-version-at-e54430/
Bit of a fail for VW to not spec heat pumps as standard, tbh. Certain people are queueing up to slag off EVs and the scare stories of 'oh my mate's mum has one and the range falls off a cliff in winter' get repeated far too often.
If Hyundai can put one in as standard on cheaper cars then VW can too.
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Full MemberBit of a fail for VW to not spec heat pumps as standard, tbh. Certain people are queueing up to slag off EVs and the scare stories of ‘oh my mate’s mum has one and the range falls off a cliff in winter’ get repeated far too often.
If Hyundai can put one in as standard on cheaper cars then VW can too.
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Indeed, on that subject - just curious - is it effectively the A/C hardware which is used as a heatpump on EVs? Or is there a separate system for heat?
I dunno, I think it's just a heatpump, like any other, but small. It'll be run from its own electric motor since there's no crankshaft to drive it from. They're bi-directional so it'll put heat into the cabin from outside (or from the battery/drivetrain) when it's cold, and take heat out of the cabin when it's hot.
Our Zoe runs on a two way heat pump - it’s pretty basic technology, exactly equivalent to AC. When you turn on the cooling or heating you see 1kW consumption appear on the dashboard, for heating that works out as about 3kW of power input. Not much compared to motor power consumption. I suspect much of the winter penalty is about the battery being less efficient when cold.
Cool thanks, so if a Zoe can use a reversible one, seems that there would be no reason VW can't do the same. I was wondering if VW had skipped it due to packaging constraints.
I’m waiting for my delayed Ioniq5. To fill the gap after selling my PCP A6 in April, I’m using an EV car subscription service. Minimum of a month per car. I’ve taken an MG 5 LR, which gets 200-240 miles from full. It was the cheapest EV with a reasonable range.
It’s an estate so plenty of room. Roof bars as standard too. 7 sec from 0-60 and plenty of power for overtaking. It’s one of the cheaper EVs and has pleasantly surprised me, having sat in an A6 for the last 4 years. Mine has ACC, Apple CarPlay/AA, Leather interior, DAB, heated seats.
so if a Zoe can use a reversible one, seems that there would be no reason VW can’t do the same. I was wondering if VW had skipped it due to packaging constraints.
Oh they offer it, but it's an optional extra, rather than standard kit. And most lease deals now seem to be offering cars they ordered ages ago, due to delivery times, and they don't mention extras. So I think they've not specced it and you'll get whatever they have - hence the warning. I like the iD4 and it can tow but I'm not doing without a heat pump.
I suspect much of the winter penalty is about the battery being less efficient when cold.
That and/or the battery needing heating. You can save range by leaving it plugged in and telling the car you're leaving at a particular time so it keeps the battery and the interior warm, but this doesn't necessarily save money as I belatedly realised. It heats the car from your electricity at 8am which is peak cost, rather than heating it from the off-peak energy you put in in the middle of the night!
On a bit of a tangent, I was at the national Forecourt show a few weeks ago (for petrol station owners/corner shops etc).
Apart form the obvious hedonism contained at such an event, there were a few companies (BP, Veeder-root) touting huge electric vehicle charges to install on forecourts. We're talking 200KW, £85,000 jobbies. These are ready-for-sale, so may start appearing soon.
Would love to see more (obvs) and I can imagine from a business point of view it would make great sense because the users of such services have nothing to do but sit there and buy crap from your shop. But I wonder how many sites actually have enough power available and how much it costs to have it wired in?
My work is finally just about to launch a salary sacrifice scheme (through tusker as well). I've kind of convinced myself I want an iD3*, I want
- Golf sized that I can comfortably get a family of 4 in
- a towbar so I can put a bike rack on it
- heat pump
Is there anything else I should be considering? It's weird, lots of the head to head reviews for the iD3 seem to pitch it with bigger more expensive cars.
*don't laugh, I've heard it's something like a 14 month lead time
I'm gonna say Hyundai Kona/Ioniq EV of course. Probably not as plush as a VW but good cars.
The problem with any EV ordered now is actually getting one! Don’t plan on sitting in it inside a year.
I’m waiting for my delayed Ioniq5.
Worth the wait. Loving mine.
Probably not as plush as a VW but good cars.
Not sure about the kona but the I5 feels nicer inside/less plasticky and better put together outside thank my dads VW Gold mk8.....