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Saw my first EQE on the road yesterday. Nice (also quiet).
With these low prices on Agile Octopus I really should install a smart plug on the immersion heater then use IFTTT to integrate with Hive to heat the hot water.
Ooh good idea. I have a timer switch ready to install for overnight water, which would save me a bit over gas, but on Agile I could heat water much more cheaply.
Edit – no that won’t work!
Why not?
Oh I’m thinking of Go then. The charger picks when the electricity is cheapest for Octopus, but you pay a guaranteed price for any electricity that goes to the car.
That’s Intelligent Octopus. For me that would be 29.9ppkWh during the day, and 7.5ppkWh between 11.30pm and 5.30am and/or whenever IO decides to charge the car. Controlled by Octopus using APIs.
Octopus Go is 29.9ppkWh during the day, and 9.5ppkWh between 12.30am and 4.30am. Fixed period and fixed prices. Basically a modern version of Economy 7.
Agile price varies every half hour and you can pick the times to do stuff when it best suits you and the price.
Now, for me, Agile is working best as I’m a pretty heavy user during the day but can timeshift stuff like washing and don’t use much in the expensive 4pm to 7pm period of Agile. Agile rarely exceeds 20ppkWh during the day at the moment, so instantly being more cost effective than with IO or Go at this time. I’m flexible about when I charge my car as a I don’t do regular daily mileage, so I can charge whenever it’s really cheap or negative. I’ve not paid anywhere near the off peak prices of IO or Go per kWh all year. If I was a heavier user at peak time, and didn’t have an EV, then Tracker would likely be the cheapest.
Ultimately you need to work out what works best for you. There is no answer of ‘which is best’ out of IO, Go, Agile or Tracker. The one thing that is clear, is that if you can, avoiding the standard ‘Flexible’ tariff is something everyone should be doing!
Why not?
On second thoughts it would work. I looked a bit further into IFTTT for the charger with the idea I could use it to pick the cheapest slots during the night for charging the hybrid and avoid doing it manually, but although Agile Octopus and Hive play together via IFTTT there isn't support for the Hive car charger and there doesn't seem to be an easy way to fit a smart plug onto the charger.
Ah, specifically via IFTTT - I don't know much about it. I'd write my own script probably.
Didn't we have a thread about how useless a smart dishwasher would be? Would be ideal for this!
I use Intelligent octopus with my Ohme charger. IO basically allows the Ohme App to decide the pricing windows.
If I plug in my car at 9PM and tell the Ohme App I need 80% charge added by 5:30AM, Ohme works out that isn’t possible in the window and starts charging straight away, which triggers an extended cheap window as well.
Got our ID4 about a month ago. We’ve been using the trickle charger to pretty good effect as we’ve not had much in the way of long journeys planned.
We were planning on getting a Ohme installed (and then look at the various Octopus tariffs).
The local Council have decided that we can’t have our drive any more and are going to put a parking bay in front of our house (they’re doing the same to 75 other houses on the estate) - so scuppers that plan.
Okay - plan B then while we work out what to do - run the charger from our 3-pin to the car in the parking bay. Except, ‘no’ says they council as that breaks the highway act of 1980.
There are some lampposts with integrated chargers in around the area, though naturally not in the area they’re taking the driveways away.
So - how easy is it to run an EV with crap local infrastructure?
I used an Octopus Agile IFTTT recipe with a Philips Hue compatible smart plug to turn on and off a dehumidifier based on Octopus Agile prices. It was a few years ago tho so can't recall exactly how I did it
If they are removing driveways I'd be tempted to complain and ask them how you're going to charge your EV now? It might work, you might get your own lamppost.
I run a 15m cable from my Ohme to my car if that would work?
@shinton. have you considered a Shelly wifi switch for your car charger? (
I'm happy on tracker at the mo but plan to add one to my old podpoint car charger to make it smart in case I quickly need to move to a peak:offpeak tariff.
Ta - they're definitely going about this very backwards, considering they've been banging on about their green credentials.
Loads of complaints have been going in - what they're doing is an Experimental Traffic Management Order. Basically, do the actions, then consult over the following 6 months. Sounds more like asking for forgiveness rather than permission. There doesn't seem to have been any consideration for EVs in the area. A couple of miles or so down the road in Richmond... different matter of course.
We can probably get by with the 3-pin charger and lead out to the car in front - but if they get shirty about a cable across the pavement, then we're a bit screwed. I'd thought about getting one of those cable ramp things to help prevent trips etc, but still sounds like they'll object.
The (few) Local charging lampposts they have put up are 78p/kWh - so, you know. Ouch.
Okay – plan B then while we work out what to do – run the charger from our 3-pin to the car in the parking bay. Except, ‘no’ says they council as that breaks the highway act of 1980.
If you have a guaranteed place which you will park in, you could have a trench dug across it and then have it grated with the cable under the grating. If you proposed this to them, they'd have to come up with a good reason as to why not. They can't simply say "no".
The local Council have decided that we can’t have our drive any more and are going to put a parking bay in front of our house (they’re doing the same to 75 other houses on the estate) – so scuppers that plan.
I’m sure I’m missing something but I don’t understand how they can unilaterally take your drive away from you?
So a privately owned cable in a section of Public Realm..suspect that’s not going to happen without a wad of insurance indemnities and the like.
Didn’t we have a thread about how useless a smart dishwasher would be? Would be ideal for this!
It seems that all the "smart home" devices are not playing catch up on this. It's seems an obvious market move for someone like Google to get into generation, charging and use management devices...
Started the swop from Scottish Power to Intelligent Octopus on Sunday, all moved over successfully this am. It then took about 10 mins to setup the car and charger to be controlled by IO. Seems pretty intuitive, and it's currently telling me that it'll start charging around 4am tomorrow to have it at 100% for 0700 (based on the car being at 74% at the moment.
have unplugged it now as going out shortly, so will plug it in this evening and let it do its magic with six hours of cheap, green energy from 11.30 pm to 5.30 am at 7.5p per kWh. 🙂
Still waiting for our 'type 2' arial to be fitted to our smart meter. We don't have a strong enough 2G/3G signal outside for the standard SM to operate. We're on an old Economy 7 tariff (moved to Octopus) which is working well enough for overnight charging, but we want to move to intelligent if we can.
We have an ICS charger which may not be compatible, but we won't know until we can get the SM talking to the grid.
One thing I do like about the ICS charger tho is you can point it's OCPP output to a HACS inspired integration in Home Assistant. Once we get live stats from the SM, I can add an 'octopus' card that will show real time pricing/charge costs with a bit of script-y jiggery-pokery I'm looking forward to writing.
Good stuff. I had no real issues with mine, except getting the car and charger on the same page. I had to disable scheduled charging on the car altogether, and then it got a bit confused when the charger stopped at 80% or whatever I'd asked for. And the car would stop charging at 100% slightly before it reported that to the charger so the charger then complained that the car had stopped unexpectedly. I had to mute some notifications from those apps.
They recommend you leave the car plugged in all the time, in case there is a windstorm on a sunny day and they have a load of excess power to get rid of.
Currently we went the other way. Schedule on the car, that starts the charger at midnight or whenever. Only issues with this is sometimes the charger needs to be manually 'unlocked' in the morning as it didn't the 'I'm done' memo from the car and it makes the stats a bit odd in terms of charging time - basically charger considers charging to start when cable is plugged in not when current is drawn.
Maybe this has been covered before - if so apologies for the repeat!
I am thinking of buying our first electric car (candidates - MG4, VW ID3 ... others?). We moved into a house with a Chargepoint charger that was installed in 2014. I have now discovered that it is locked and I don't have the key (yes, I should have checked). First question - the point was installed in 2014, is it worth tryinhg to make it work or has the world moved on since then?
In case I am not able to make it work (and what would I have to do to bypass the key?) and I need to replace it, what should I be looking for, and who installs these things? Specialist company? Local electrician?
Basic advice much appreciated !!
Our Easee charger was installed by the car lease co, but I had been chatting to our local electrician who supplies and fits them too. i think as long as they are legit and registered etc. Modern chargers are wifi and Bluetooth and the charger App talks to the car and the energy company, not sure if 10 yr old tech would do that.
A question for everyone: We have a Mini Countryman PHEV (~10kw battery). We are on Intelligent Octopus and charge via a 3 pin plug from the outside socket. The Octopus app is set to charge it to 100% and have it ready by 7am. Its always plugged in by 7/8pm and the app tells us that it has mapped the charge for that night.
Some nights it gets to 100% charge and some nights it doesn't get beyond 75 or 80% and we can't work out why it doesn't fully charge. Other than the usual household stuff, there is nothing else drawing power in the wee hours.
I've tried setting the charge limit to 95% to see if that gets it to its full 95% but it still doesn't max out all the time.
Any ideas?
@DrJ - I have an old chargemaster charger of that sort of vintage from when I had an early hybrid, and it works fine, albeit in a dumb way only - It is 3.6kw rather than 7.2 so the charge speed is quite slow for a modern large battery car so you have to factor this in.
My issue is I've just switched to a EV tariff for overnight and the scheduler sw in the car doesn't work it seems (ioniq 5) so I'm going to try that Shelley wifi relay that someone posted about earlier. Ideally I'd get a smart charger fitted but at ~£1k that's a lot of (non-discounted) electrons.
the scheduler sw in the car doesn’t work it seems (ioniq 5)
It worked on my Ioniq, so it should work for you - but the app was a bit confusing. Worth persevering, maybe speak to a dealer. If it's actually broken then you should because it'd be a warranty issue. I can perhaps help, I think the apps are all the same.
@DrP does your Leaf have a battery health display like the older Leaves do?
Ioniq5 isn't compatible with Intelligent Octopus at the moment though, you need a compatible charger.
yeah - it's in one of the menus in the HUD.
Additionally, I bought leafspy pro and a BT OBDII plug, so can interrogate it a bit more.
WHen I bought the leaf (used) i didn't have the leafspy, and it was on 100% battery health (older leafs have 12 bars, newer ones are jsut a 0 -> 1 guage).
Currently my 40kWh leaf is about 92% state of health.. (which is still showing as 100% on the bar)
Leafspy is cool as you can change features - i've only added auto-door-lock at 15mph so far.
DrP
Just agreed to collect a 2019 Leaf tomorrow evening!
Boondock isn’t it because Intelligent Octopus only guarantees 6 hours of cheap charging each night? If you’re only charging on normal mains power it is going to charge very slowly. Sometimes intelligent octopus will give you more than 6 hours in a night but not always.
Thanks - could be - its all a bit opaque - the battery often needs a full charge so maybe there isn't enough time/ cheap leccy in the system. Bit annoying but not end of the world stuff. Cheers.
I have mine set to 90% (Model 3) and often 6 hours wouldn’t be long enough to get it to that. When it feels like it, Intelligent Octopus schedules more than 6 hours in a night - assume when there is surplus. At other times presumably when there is less surplus it only gives me the basic 6 hours.
Intelligent Octopus gives you 6hrs overnight for your whole house plus all the power going to your car. Or did I get that wrong last time?
11.30pm - 5.30am for the whole house cheap. When you plug the car in it decides when to charge - often the same 6 hours but sometimes different and often if the car will take it gives you more than 6 hours at the low (7.5p) rate.
How does Intelligent Octopus work with your charger and phone app?
I have an ev.energy app and Rolec Wallpod charger for charging the e-Tron
Does the Octpus app take over control of the charger?
If I use the checker on the Octopus web site I'm told my combination does work but when I asked on ev.energy support they said the their app didn't support it. How does it work then?
We have 2 EVs. One doesn’t work with IO so when charging this one we use the app as usual (Myenergy - Zappi charger).
When charging the Tesla we put the app on to immediate charge and then Octopus somehow talks to the Tesla via black magic, works out how much charge it can take (we have it set to 90% max except if going on a long journey) and then schedules the charge for when it feels like that night.
To clarify you need either a compatible charger (Ohm currently), OR a compatible car, of which there are a few I think.
Thanks @andylc you've also answered another question. We also have 2 EVs and the Zoe doesn't play nicely with smart charging, so it's good to know you can still swtich the charger to manual and charge that way.
Zep we have a Zoe and a Tesla so we just charge the Zoe as normal. It’s still better even for the Zoe as you get 6 hours per night and an even cheaper rate.
Worth repeating that Ohme let's you smart charge on IO with almost any car, if not any car.
Edit - I was wrong!
Yes I think Ohme is the only one currently though. We wanted a Zappi so we could do free charging via our solar panels.
Oldtennisshoes we don’t have an Ohme charger so IO for us has to be a compatible car. Plus at the moment you can’t have 2 different cars working on IO I believe.
Octopus Go should be fine though? Just set your charger to charge during the relevant hours for whichever car you have plugged in. Jobs a goodun.
The iX is simply amazing... 10 miles in town traffic since the last charge, regen on moderate. 1.4m/kwh! 😳
Ioniq 5 owner here on the Octopus EV tariff. Firstly has others have pointed out you can’t use the true intelligent Octopus rate
scheduling because Hyundai is not on the list at the moment… I don’t know why. Octopus say that the Kias are compatible and it’s the same bloody battery platform! That said, I do get the cheap tariff between 12.30 and 4.30. I plug it in, set the charger app to schedule between then, and it works grand. The car is set to stop charging at 80% so there’s no chance of going over… will be easier when they do all get round to adding Hyundai so I can have 6 hours charging rather than 4 though.
Ioniq 5 owner here on the Octopus EV tariff. Firstly has others have pointed out you can’t use the true intelligent Octopus rate
scheduling because Hyundai is not on the list at the moment… I don’t know why
It's because Intelligent Octopus needs to be able to charge your car at any time, but bill you at the lower rate. This is so they can give you the cheap surplus electricity whenever it is available, even during the day. This is of benefit to them, and they pass that on to you with a very cheap rate. However, they need to know how much energy has gone to your car, rather than the rest of the house. They do this by either talking to the car and monitoring how much it's taken on board, or talking to the charger. Otherwise it has no idea if you are charging the car or washing dishes.
They have integrated with several car manufacturers, but not Hyundai. However, they have also integrated with Ohme, and Ohme can integrate with most cars including Hyundai. Well worth the cost, you will save loads in electricity.
EDIT ok perhaps not - it's currently 9.5p on Go and 7.5p on Intelligent. Still cheaper though.
Yes still cheaper otherwise wouldn’t have switched. And yes aware how it works, but the point stands that the Kia platform is shared with Hyundai… not sure why it works with one and not the other. Or more accurately why they have developed the end product with one and not the other. I am sure it will come though.
Also, had a £1200 home charger installed for free via work, so would take a little while to recoup that back…
Octopus Go should be fine though? Just set your charger to charge during the relevant hours for whichever car you have plugged in. Jobs a goodun.
Doesn't work with our charger. I think there's some handshaking between the charger and the car that is model specific and you can only have 1 car profile on the app.
How does Intelligent Octopus work with your charger and phone app?
just set mine up yesterday having switched to Octopus at the weekend. BMW i4 and Easee charger. The car is set at 100 % immediate charge and I just followed the instructions on the Octopus App on my iPhone. The App connects to the car, then the charger, then does a short test charge of a few minutes and lets you know that it’s all connected. I then unplugged and at 8 pm plugged it back in, at 74% battery, and it started charging around midnight, finishing by 0300. I have the Octopus set to have the car at 100% for 0700.
seemed all very straightforward.
That’s Intelligent Octopus - Octopus Go is just simply 4 cheap hours same every night and you can use that with any car and any charger.
but the point stands that the Kia platform is shared with Hyundai… not sure why it works with one and not the other.
The car is the same but I think the Kia app is different from the Hyundai app - and they probably go to different backed servers and could well have different access policies and whatnot. Stupid, really, but plausible.
Gonna have to move my charger now as Leafs have the port in the front, so current cable won't reach.
I'm on Octopus Go and need to try Intelligent Octopus.
It’s very clever and saves enough money (+ longer hours each night) to be well worth it. At 7.5p per kWh the running costs for EVs are minuscule.
^^ this. 300 miles for £6, unbeatable really !
Yeah. Trip to see my folks for £2 rather than £20!
And you can also save money on washing and dishwashing if you want. Also water heating.
I’m on Octopus Go and need to try Intelligent Octopus.
I just moved from Go to Intelligent as the intelligent cheap rate was cheaper than they were quoting to renew my Go and you get an extra two hours per day cheap rate. No brainer if your car or charger is compatible. I've only done three charges controlled by Octopus so far and they have mostly been scheduled inside the 11:30 to 5:30 cheap rate window. Scheduling is done via the car (Tesla) and the set up was simple- well I say simple but connecting the Octopus app to my Tesla account had to be done on an iOS device because Android didn't work. Once the connection was made everything works Ok using my Android phone.
Gonna have to move my charger now as Leafs have the port in the front, so current cable won’t reach.
There must be another factor here, otherwise approaching the charger in the opposite direction (ie. forward or reverse) compared to your current car would seem an obvious solution!
Charger is on the side of the driveway attached to the house. To get it to reach the front I would have to back in much further up the drive which would require giving up a load of spac eI want to put the shed on, or driving in and leaving most of it hanging off the front of the drive 🙂
It should be on the other driveway anyway, it was a mistake to put it where it is.
Looking at EV charger location on new build - will be fine I think to cover all options.
Regulations (I think) are that the charge point should cover 5m radius.
Planning on putting some hatch in garage so that EV can be charged from external CP whilst in garage.
My girlfriend had a Corsa-E as a hire car yesterday. She was really impressed with it. She had a work trip to Warrington, so mostly motorway miles. It was about a 60 mile round trip, she consumed about 90 miles of range.
She loved how easy it was to drive and the immediate shove. She normally drives a 1.0L Ecoboost Focus, 125hp. She has already said that EV would be her next choice car, given her type of driving.
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Was gonna say "have you got a leaf then.." but saw your post after mine a page back!
Nice!
Mines a 2019 (68 plate).. what spec?
If it has clicking driveshafts, is a common issue and easy fix...)
DrP
Acenta.
Ditto....
Any questions, ping them across! The FB owners group has some useful info...alongside the "what does the brake pedal do" and "this is my first EV, where does the petrol go" style questions....
DrP
<!--more-->Ioniq 5 owners... question on the app... when the EV cable is connected and not charging, does your app status show 'not plugged in'? Mine does and it's not very helpful plugging in the car, setting the schedule for o/night charging via the charger, only to find the app saying the car isn't connected. I suspect it is, but several times I've had to go out, disconnect and reconnect and make sure the little green light appears on the dash. Is it just an app thing, i.e. by 'not plugged in' it means could be plugged in, but not drawing current?
Is it automatic?
No it doesn’t have gears so it’s neither.
So it’s manual then?
No.
@stingmered - looking at your screenshot it’s not updated the status on the app. You may need to refresh it - the app shows updated 0607 and the screenshot was from 0947. I find the Bluelink app doesn’t always want to update or connect. Every so often it needs a press of the reset button in the car to get it to connect to a mobile signal and update.
It's exactly the same when updated. Took the screen shot then by way of explanation, but even with it refreshed and the cable plugged in it says the same.
EDIT: I should have said, not had any issues with connecting app to car, it seems to do it routinely and quickly. In fact the other day it pinged me a msg to tell me the car was not locked when I was at work!
Hyundai Ioniq EV 2021 vs Nissan Leaf 2019
- Hyundai has a softer and bouncier ride, but the handling is better. Better driving position too.
- Nissan ride is great around town but weirdly choppy on motorways in places.
- Nissan feels much more plush inside, the general car UI is better and no stupid sounds and beeps. There are beeps but only for reasonable things like you've walked away with the key and left the car on etc.
- Nissan is quicker, and has a real thump when you stab the pedal. The Hyundai softened the effect, but not so the Nissan. Quite fun actually.
- Nissan feels like an SUV that's lowered and on small wheels. Cabin is big and spacious, tons of headroom. Hyundai feels like a true car.
- Ioniq Premium is better equipped than a Leaf Acenta with auto dimming mirror, stop-start auto cruise control, and A REACH-ADJUST STEERING WHEEL which this particular Leaf does not have, much to my annoyance. Still, I was able to get more comfortable than in the last car I had without one.
- Nissan quieter around town, similar on motorway.
- Hyundai has better range and efficiency, especially on motorway. It's closer at low speeds.
- No-score draw as far as infotainment is concerned. Both are a bit shite, in different ways. Nissan wins in UX aesthetics (especially the instrument cluster) but Hyundai seems to win in features.
- Both equally commodious front and back, although differently shaped. The Leaf seats themselves are massive and soft though, they go right up to the door and centre console.
- Bluelink app seems better than Nissan Connect. Bluelink lets you lock the car if you forget (and it tells you you forgot), it lets you set your destination on phone and send it to the car before you leave which is soo much better than fannying about with the car display; it lets you turn on the A/C and defrost at will or on a schedule.
They're both pretty good cars, I think if were looking at two cars the same price I would get the Hyundai though. The Nissan might get more efficient when I put decent tyres on it, rather than the random mixed bag of garbage it has now.
Oh, just realised that the Nissan app has all the same features, but you have to subscribe. I think this was also the case for Hyundai, but it's free for the first 3 years or something. On both.
My eldest daughter has an Ioniq Electric and my youngest daughter has a 2020 Leaf Acenta. I've driven both and they are both good EVs but I much prefer the Leaf. It feels more spaceous and comfier and is tremendously well equipped for a base model. The Leaf's Eco mode one pedal driving is better around town than having to use the paddles on the Hyundai. I much, much prefer the Leaf's drive selector to the Ioniq's buttons, its much more intuative and ergenoimic when switching quickly from forwards to reverse when manouvering.
For town and short trips the Nissan wins but for longer trips involving rapid charging the Hyundai wins because it has CCS and proper battery cooling. Nissan really missed a trick not equipping the latest 64 kWh Leafs with proper liquid cooling and CCS but I guess they didn't want it as competition to the Ariya.
I preferred the Leaf after test driving, but on a long trip it was different. I suspect the one I test drove had a reach adjust steering wheel but mine does not. I may try and upgrade.
Also, Hopwood Park services on the M42 are is amazing. Huge bank of Teslas and an equally huge bank of something else that still had covers on. Never seen so many chargers.
Interestingly Tesla have now revised their daily charge recommendation from 90% down to 80% in the latest software update. More in line with other manufacturers now.
I don’t think ANY leaf has reach adjust wheel… For me it’s been fine, but can see it as a bother…!
RE the choppy ride; my stock leaf felt like a magic carpet, even on motorways.. but..I like the firmer ride so as you know I fitted coil overs (dropped it 30th mm, and adjustable damping) - feels firmer now, but not crashy. COrners like it’s on rails.
Like you mention - the acceleration feels WAAAY faster than the figures would suggest! You can see why I was wanting to change the stock shitty plastic tyres for Crossclimates - the grip is SIGNIFICANTLY better…
RE the efficiency - i think teh leaf has always been a bit less than more modern vehicles, but it’s on par, mostly.
I’ve got roof racks on the whole time, and carry bikes, and get about 3.7 average.
Like you say, IMUCH prefer the interior as it feels more ‘normal’ - father in law has an ionic 5 2022, and it’s all white and fancy and like the shuttle!
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I'm sure this has been discussed but why can't or shouldn't batteries be topped up to 100% capacity? Seems to be a standard of going to 80% and that is it...so you've got 20% less capacity which will result in a reduced range.
When should batteries be topped to 100% and how frequently?
I don't understand this and keep forgetting to ask...however, the new ev arrives in July next year and if it is only going to charge to 80% then I've lost a potential 20% off the range...
I think the idea is that for most driving 80% is fine, you don’t really need to brim it to 100% for most days of the year. On occasion that you do need the full range, charging to 100% is not a problem and manufacturers state that, but for most people this is infrequent. If keeping it at 80% max preserves battery health, then it’s a no-brainer really.
The other aspect is smart charging at home where the cheap tariff is 4 or 6 hours per night. If you ran it down to 10% (as you would ICE) and wanted to charge it back up you’d get between 29 and 43kw/h worth of charge, which wouldn’t fill it to 100%. (Unless you strayed into the full fat pricing.) May as well charge it when it’s around 30-40%, up to 80% knowing that it’s cost you less than a third of normal rates to charge every time.
It is a mind shift though. My car sits on average at around 150 miles (50%) range, which in ICE days I’d be thinking “need to fill up fairly urgently. “
EDIT: The reason is, battery chemistry. I can’t give a better/more tech answer than that. Though I should be able to given I’m a chartered chemical engineer… 😂
I think too much is made of this, most/many EVs have software that stops the battery charging with a bit in reserve, so though it says 100% on the screens it’s more like 90 something, to ensure battery life is optimised. BMW certainly do, so it is a case of plug it it charge it up to full and off you go.
May as well charge it when it’s around 30-40%, up to 80% knowing that it’s cost you less than a third of normal rates to charge every time.
i am using same principle for cheap electricity on IO, but plug it in once it’s about 50%, which then takes about 40kw/h to fill up.
Agreed, you still have the full range, it's just that it may preserve the battery life a bit if you don't always use 100%.
People seem to be thinking like ICE cars - run to empty, then fill up. But that's not what you need to do in an EV. At home you just top up nightly; on the road you stop more frequently but for shortwr periods.
We just plug ours in when we get home and leave it there, which is what Octopus recommend for Intelligent Octopus.