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Looking at buying an EV at long last
40KwH leaf - 2020-2021 <10k miles C~£9k
Seems like a lot of car for the money. Still no use for my purposes but for mum perfect - spend most of its time doing the shopping run and 10 miles from her village to ours occasionally doing a 100 mile round trip back to her hometown - having to charge at the other end wouldnt be ideal but acceptable in winter.
I understand these are Gen 2 - but they do have the later battery temperature control ?
Any reasons i shouldn't ? - should i be holding off for the facelift 22 model for any reason other than looks ? The Vauxhall corsa E for similar money does have the bigger 50Kwh battery and longer range BUT they are still dogged with Vauxhalls lacklustre reliability of the last 10 years where as the nissan seems famed for its reliability besides their known foibles with the Gen1
all the Zoes in the same age and price range all have much higher mileage - and significantly fewer to choose from.
Contributors to this thread have noticed that without a vroom vroom ICE they become more zen and courteous in their driving. Hopefully that attitude will translate into safer roads.
Anecdote but not data, but my experience is the exact opposite. It's almost like they've used up their quota of social responsibility by buying the EV, so now believe that it's absolutely fine to drive like a total arsehole with no respect for any other road user.
I’m a month into my second EV, a preregistered Kia EV3. I drive it much more slowly than the BMW i4 it replaced, so maybe it’s not about the ‘E’…
If you accept the need for cars EVs make a significant improvement to the health of town dwellers.
Well yes. As an EV piled through a red light as I was waiting to cross this evening, I gave my thanks to the thoughtful driver for putting my health first.
it does feel like some kind of EV tipping point has finally been realised. Since I got my Leaf over the last 10 years I have been idly counting the number of EVs per commute. For the first couple of years it was basically like when I had a 2CV or a Triumph Herald - flash the headlights and wave territory with only Leafs and the odd Zoe taking part.
Then Tesla came on the scene, S and X but still it was rare to see more than 1 a day out of hundreds of vehicles.
Then it was Model 3 and there were a couple more then Y and by 2023/4 it was 6 or 7 on each 16 mile drive - still far less than 1 EV in 100 cars.
However in the last year its increased massively and today I counted well over 30 EVs (and as they look so normal these days i prob missed a few) on my 16 mile drive home in East Sussex on A/B roads
Looking at buying an EV at long last
40KwH leaf - 2020-2021 <10k miles C~£9k
They don't have any temperature control but for one or two rapid charges a day it's fine. The minor facelift in 2022 was just cosmetic and they went to quoting usable rather than total battery capacity. They're great cars within their capabilities - although for not a lot more money you can be in a 2023 one with more warranty etc left.
Just given my e+ Leaf back (won't be worth anywhere near the balloon payment and was at the halfway point for VT), same day it was collected I saw and bought this BMW i3S. Leather, dark oak trim, freshly refurbed wheels, £9k. There are some nice cars about for sensible money, unlike back in 2021 when I bought the Leaf.
They don't have any temperature control but for one or two rapid charges a day it's fine. The minor facelift in 2022 was just cosmetic and they went to quoting usable rather than total battery capacity. They're great cars within their capabilities.
Ah ok , i understood the original ones didnt have temp control i thought that had been fixed on the later ones.
surely that means they will suffer similar battery desegregation to the originals .....perhaps i will look else where then - maybe not such a great deal.
that said - its likely to be 1 or 2 rapid charges a year - she will have a charger at her house for the majority of her use and itll likely be limited in capacity due to electric heating and ho****er.
Whats not alot more? - i saw the 2023s starting at 13.5k.... unless i was willing to take 40k miles.
No, mk2 (40 and particularly 62) do much better than the 24/30kwh. I think the battery chemistry changed in them. They still have battery "bars", it's just hidden in the menu, and very rare to see one that's lost any bars even with high mileage, so over 85% SOH. Mine was still on 95% before I gave it back.
For clarity Leaf's will not necessarily have a duff battery. Mine is a Gen 3 or 4 from 2015 with 195000 kms on it, and is still at 11 of the 12 bars. Those that were not good were gen 2 cars BUT in this context these Gen2 = old style cars from 2013. Or cars from the far east, or other places that are consistently very hot. Mine was at one point getting rapid charged about once a fortnight, but less so in the last year
Look at the 'bars' - I don't think you need to overthink this. If the battery is OK they're a good, basic car with not a lot to go wrong
Just got my Grandland Ultimate EV.
It's a very substantial car and everything is looking good from a quick drive apart from the suspension - is a bit mushy. Small-ish point but a bit annoying compared to my previous kodiaq.
Lots of nice technology - let's see what the efficiency and load carrying brings.
Nice to have front window de-icer and high quality 360 cameras.
Was a cheap lease ultimately.
Just got my Grandland Ultimate EV.
It's a very substantial car and everything is looking good from a quick drive apart from the suspension - is a bit mushy. Small-ish point but a bit annoying compared to my previous kodiaq.
Lots of nice technology - let's see what the efficiency and load carrying brings.
Nice to have front window de-icer and high quality 360 cameras.
Was a cheap lease ultimately.
42KWh battery Simon? If so that's a decent deal. If only they'd shoehorned a 50KWh in I'd have had another. I'll be buying an EV once current lease is up, still not sure what to punt for. I did like my i3s though.
Yes, 42kwh/120ah. Prices are all over the place with some very optimistic sellers.
Did have a missing key (was £300 for local mobile guy to do a new one and disable the missing one) and a few rear bumper scratches from things being loaded (covered with a £70 RGM rearguard) but other than that it's in great shape. Even got wireless Carplay activated for under £30 including buying an enet cable. Really pleased with it.
@trail_rat correct no battery temperature management on the leafs, but there was chemistry change so you don’t get the same issues. We have a 62kwh tekna as a second car and it’s brilliant. 4 years old I think and battery perfect, wife doesn’t bother not charging to 100!
What I’d say with the leafs is the chademo is a bit of a pain, they do feel a little tinny compared to the latest efforts. But we can’t come up with any coherent argument to change it. It’s very good.
Solely regulatory issues now. I hate driving and can't wait to hand over the job to the computer.
I wonder if it the Tesla can complete the magic roundabout when it is gridlocked and it can't see the road markings?
liability issues. what happens to insurance when the tesla trolley problems through a bus stop?
Did my first trip that relied on public chargers (long weekend from Aberdeenshire to the Lake District) so thought I'd share some thoughts. I'll split it into a report and some observations, so you can skip the first parts if you don't want all the details.
Report Started with 100% charge. We always tend to stop at the big Tesco in Dundee when travelling south to get provisions. There is a bank of 14 BP Pulse chargers on the roundabout next door, so we headed there. The car predicted that we'd have 68% left at Dundee. ABPR predicted 70% and we actually arrived with 71% (so not bad). We were travelling on a Thursday in the school holidays (Scotland and England). Roads were pretty busy. Arrived at Dundee around midday, but all 14 chargers were free. Took a stupid number of button presses to get to the bit where I scanned my debit card but it connected OK and by the time we had done our shopping the car was back up to 93%.
Got to the English border and needed to stop for a wee. The car will show occupancy of chargers on the route (which I filtered to only show chargers over 100kw). We could see that 4 of 6 of the the Gridserve chargers at Todhills were supposedly free, so we headed there. In fact all 6 were free when we arrived. These were easier to use than the BP pulse ones. Tap card, plug in, job done. That leg was 159 miles, which is about as far as we'd ever travel without a stop. Arrived on 41% and by the time we'd had a wee, grabbed a coffee and disposed of some rubbish we were back up to 80%, which meant we arrived in Coniston with 62% left (plenty for some local journeys). Car had predicted 60% so again, not bad.
Popped to Booths in Windemere to stock up on beer, tea and other treats the day before heading home, so stuck the car on the Instavolt chargers there (plenty free at 4pm on a Sunday). Again easy to use and by the time we'd finished pottering round the shop we were back to 99%.
Leaving to come back home, the car said we could go 213 miles to Dundee and still have 15% left, but we didn't wat to go that far so again used the car map to check for free chargers when we wanted to stop. Car said there were 6 of 6 Evolt chargers free at Cairn Lodge (actually three chargers with two connectors on each charger). That seemed a bit strange as others nearby seemed busier, but we headed there anyway. When we got there two were in use and another 2 cables on the same charger seemed to be out of action (or at least I couldn't make them work and neither could another driver who tried). The other one I tried took multiple attempts to get it to connect. Not sure if I was doing something wrong. The instructions that were printed on a sign behind the charger didn't seem to match what the screen was saying. But eventually (by random chance!) I seemed to hit on the right sequence and it started charging. Not sure exactly what level it was at by the time we had finished our lunch, but we arrived home with 32% left, so obviously more than enough. I checked ZapMap and ABRP while we were eating and both showed 6/6 available the whole time we were there, when in fact there were 3 cars charging most of the time I think and 2 out of order.
TLDR: 4 charging stops (two on the way down, one while there and one on the way back). None were dictated by the car. We just stopped when we wanted to for as long as we wanted to stop. OK, we chose the exact locations to stop at based on (reported) availability of chargers but it was still basically when we wanted to stop. So, total journey time (just over 300 miles each way) was no different to what it would have been in an ICE car. I guess it might even have been a few minutes faster as we didn't need to make a specific stop for fuel (although there was a fair bit of faffing to get the Evolt charger to work, so maybe not). Availability was never an issue. Checking occupancy on ABRP now (2pm on a Monday) is shows 12/14 free at Dundee and 5/6 free at Todhills.
Observations: The fact that the car can show the occupancy of chargers along the route takes a lot of the stress away. However, more work is clearly required to improve the accuracy of this. I note that ZapMap is still showing 6/6 free at Cairn Lodge but if you click on the details it does show that 2 are reported to be out of action (so why show 6/6 and are those other 4 really all free?).
This is probably specific to my car, but not all CPOs are in the database. For example, going past Gretna it was reporting that 2 of the 4 Ionity chargers were free but there was no mention of the 12 Applegreen ones. Also, it turns out that there is also a bank of (open to all) V4 Tesla chargers at Todhills (with nice long cables). These are no doubt cheaper than the Gridserve ones, but you needed to download the app and register a card and I couldn't be bothered. Probably would before heading south again though.
The different procedures required for different chargers is just stupid and was the only real source of frustration on the whole trip. Maybe in the early days of petrol pumps they all worked in different ways too, but that's clearly something that needs to be standardised. With the Evolt one it wasn't even clear which of the two cables it was talking about at some points, the one I wanted or the one plugged into the car next to me.
I have no idea what the estimated range of my car was. I dare say it was different for each leg of the journey and would change depending on weather, traffic and how I was driving. But it's irrelevant really (as is the estimated efficiency). Either it can go as far as you want it to go or it can't and in this case it easily could. May be a different story in winter of course, but there was enough left over that I doubt it will require much (if any) changes to what we would do anyway even then.
Charging speed was also fine. In fact I found myself thinking (at Cairn Lodge) that it might be useful if the app allowed you to slow down the charge so you could finish your soup before it was done. I could have stopped the charge on the app, but then I'm sitting on a charger without charging, which seemed wrong, so I let it carry on even though I knew I had more than enough to get home. A less lazy person would have just moved it of course.
No idea what it cost at each stop. Could check and I dare say it would be at least as much as an ICE car, but when you do most of your charging at 7p/kwh at home the cost of public charging on half a dozen journeys a year seems pretty much irrelevant.
The EV3 is loaded with all sorts of driving aids. Adaptive cruise, self steering, it will even change lane for you on a motorway (and some major A roads). Tap the indicator and it checks that it is safe then changes lane for you. I found that these aids were great on long boring stretches where traffic wasn't too heavy, but once things got a bit more frantic I found them less helpful and just reverted to manual mode. Overall though they still made the total journey less tiring.
A good read, similar experience here the other week when we went East Kilbride to Northumberland for a week and back home. Motorway charging generally simpler than slower ones away from main routes. The EV3 mapping and charge friendly route suggestions is good, though not quite as simple or slick as the i4 was.
@roverpig, are you carrying bikes in yours ? I had gravel bike, wheels off, in a bag upright behind front seats as we just had the dog and bags with us. Have eventually got a date for towbar fitting at Kia Stirling in a fortnight, the wiring kit was on back order for a month.
@roverpig It’s almost like you were worrying needlessly for months and that all those people who told you that the problems you imagined weren’t actually real were kinda right all along.
Weird huh?
@iainc No bikes this time, but we were loaded with camping and running stuff.
Took a little while to get the hang of all the different bits of information it can show you in different windows, but once I'd worked it out it really was very impressive. Just need to work on improving the accuracy and comprehensiveness, but I'm sure that will come.
@roverpig It’s almost like you were worrying needlessly for months and that all those people who told you that the problems you imagined weren’t actually real were kinda right all along.
Weird huh?
Quite possibly. Or maybe all my careful research over months allowed me to choose a car that was right for my needs 😀 Truth is probably somewhere in-between.
but when you do most of your charging at 7p/kwh at home the cost of public charging on half a dozen journeys a year seems pretty much irrelevant.
This is the key takeaway... SOOOOO much of EV travel is SOOOOO cheap (due to home charging) that in the grand scheme, paying 40-60p/kWh at a fast charger doesn't really make a big dent as long as it's only every so often.
Glad you ahd a good journey, and realised that the key with an EV is to 'do something' whilst it's charging, or charge whilst 'doing something'...
All the EV haterzzzzz think we plug in and stand there, watching the car hum and click for 20 min!
DrP
liability issues. what happens to insurance when the tesla trolley problems through a bus stop?
Since it's supervised at the moment, one assumes the same thing that would happen if you ploughed through the bus stop?
There is no trolley problem with autonomous vehicles; every time one might come up the solution is either "car should have been going slower", which is a fix at the design stage, or "brakes as hard as possible to mitigate the problem". Which also leads back to point one, which again is addressed at the design stage.
As drivers we conjure up trolley problems because we routinely drive too fast.
4 charging stops (two on the way down, one while there and one on the way back). None were dictated by the car. We just stopped when we wanted to for as long as we wanted to stop.
total journey time (just over 300 miles each way) was no different to what it would have been in an ICE car. I guess it might even have been a few minutes faster as we didn't need to make a specific stop for fuel
That matches my experience really well. In the real world, humans generally want to stop more than the car needs to. So it’s very rarely an issue.
I note that ZapMap is still showing 6/6 free at Cairn Lodge but if you click on the details it does show that 2 are reported to be out of action (so why show 6/6 and are those other 4 really all free?).
One thing to look out for is when the charger was last used. I have come across chargers showing as available on the electoverse app but unable to connect when you get to them. But looking deeper the last use was weeks ago. I reported them as broken, but the point is lack of recent use is an indication to try somewhere else if poss.
Thanks for the tip. I guess that only works if you have a passenger to check the chargers for you though. The car claims to be able to tell you the occupancy of chargers along your route and if it really can do that then it takes all of the stress out of the process. Generally, on a long journey, (for us) it will be a case of "fancy a stop in around half an hour" so being able to see what chargers are coming up and how busy they are makes it really easy to pick a suitable place to stop. But for that to work the information has to be accurate and at the moment it looks as though it is not quite there. Having said that, the chargers it thought were likely to be free were. So it was never actually a problem and it's probably never going to be able to accurately predict what the occupancy will be in half an hour anyway.
Well getting my new EV company car has been put back a few months now which is frustrating. Ah well, perhaps I'll have some new models to choose from in that time.
Since it's supervised at the moment, one assumes the same thing that would happen if you ploughed through the bus stop?
But I think the more interesting question is what happens once it is no longer supervised. I can see the technology getting to the point where the driver pretty much never intervenes. But making that final jump to "the driver is no longer responsible when it goes wrong" is tricky as I can't see the manufacture wanting to take responsibility and I'm note sure drivers will be happy handing over all control but still being the one held responsible when it goes wrong.
I'm already annoyed by some of the existing "aids" for this very reason. Or at least by the way they are made difficult to disable. If I'm still the one who is going to be held responsible for any accidents then I should get to decide how the car is set up. If you are going to force me to use an "aid" whether I want to or not then you should be taking some responsibility when it fails.
As drivers we conjure up trolley problems because we routinely drive too fast.
That sounds like a problem for wide adoption of the technology right there. If the FSD car is going to be slower than the manual one, will drivers choose to use it? I can see the argument that they should, but whether they would seems debatable.
I experienced a bit of this even with the lower level driving aids on my car (adaptive cruise, auto-steer, auto-lane-change). I thought they were great on long stretches of the M73 where traffic was light, but as soon as we got close to Glasgow (at rush hour) when the risk of an accident presumably increased dramatically, I reverted to manual mode as the aids didn't seem to be able to cope with traffic changing lanes left right and centre. It wouldn't let me move into a gap in the outside lane that it thought was too small, even if the person coming up behind was flashing to let me out, for example.
I wonder how an FSD car will cope in Rome, for example 😀
I've just pushed the button on my first EV. Gone for an Elroq 85 Edition via my work's salary sacrifice scheme. Looking like a lead time of about 12 weeks but I imagine that might slip. The savings on the scheme were too good to ignore and the price includes insurance, servicing, tyres, VED etc, not to mention the far lower running costs. Both my neighbours have recently moved to EVs and I've had a good few chats with them about how cheap it is to "fill the tank" so to speak. My diesel Mazda CX5 was on the cusp of incurring a big bill or two thanks to the joys of Euro 6 gubbins so I managed to offload that via Motorway yesterday for a couple of grand more than I expected and that extra bit of cash will pay for the home charger.
If the FSD car is going to be slower than the manual one, will drivers choose to use it?
Except the FSD car will (likely) get there quicker anyway by making better decisions on route and speed choices, probably use less fuel too.
Glasgow (at rush hour) when the risk of an accident presumably increased dramatically, I reverted to manual mode as the aids didn't seem to be able to cope with traffic changing lanes left right and centre. It wouldn't let me move into a gap in the outside lane that it thought was too small
similar here, likely same bits of road too. If I leave the aids on I find I tend to remain in one lane with a sensible distance in front as set by the adaptive cruise, and then have other drivers going into that gap, causing my car to brake, unnecessary and risking a rear ending for me.
as with you, I switch it all off on busy roads. It is only 2 buttons on the steering wheel so no great shakes.
Sorry, I'm going to be one of those lazy people who can't be bothered to do much research themselves...
Old ICE car is getting annoyingly troublesome, and I'd rather move on to an EV before it dies completely.
I've been pleasantly surprised at the prices of small to medium 2nd hand EV's on Autotrader. I can find lots of lowish milage, up to 30k, 2-3 years old, 200mile+ range for under 15k. Nissan Leaf, MG4, Corsa, ID3 etc.
We could pay cash, with trade-in for the old car. Will need to install a charger at home too, but as we drive only a couple of times a week, no need for something fast.
If there was a car to aim for, or steer clear of, what would my STW EV friends tell me?
I was in a similar position. Old ICE car, cash buyer. I was fortunate to have a slightly bigger budget to play with, but in your position I’d be looking at the 64kwh Kia Niro from around 2022. Sometimes referred to as the e-Niro (as distinct from the newer Niro EV). Plenty of sub 30k mikes sub £15k examples on autotrader.
The efficiency and reliability of the e-Niro are both really good, so you should get closer to the (fantasy) WLTP range more often.
The MG is a good option at that price too, especially if you prefer the looks. I have a friend with one and he is very happy with it. Personally I found that it felt a bit more “built down to a price” than the Niro with a few more niggly software issues. But that’s just personal preference really.
OK, talk to me about charging away from the house. I've got an Ohme charger being fitted on Monday and will get the car start of September. It's a Kia EV6. What app(s) do I need to be able to charge fairly easily when away from the house and how does it all work?
Use your debit or credit card when charging away from the house.
Or look into the options that might give you discounts.
Think of it like going shopping for food and using a retailer card that give you a discount if you present their card at the till. Sign up for a few, usually free and you might get a cheaper price per KW at the charger.
If there was a car to aim for, or steer clear of, what would my STW EV friends tell me?
You have the Corsa on that list, it's the same car underneath as my e208, you ain't going to get near your requirement of 200+ mile range. WLTP range is 180 miles I think, more like 150 in real life. Having said that, I've needed to charge away from home precisely zero times in nearly two years of ownership - but obviously everyone's use case is different.
OK, talk to me about charging away from the house. I've got an Ohme charger being fitted on Monday and will get the car start of September. It's a Kia EV6. What app(s) do I need to be able to charge fairly easily when away from the house and how does it all work?
See my long rambling report on my first trip away from home above if you want all the gory details. But basically I just used the in-car navigation to tell me what chargers were likely to be free and then just used my debit card (or applypay on my phone) to pay for each charging session (four in total over a long weekend away). Despite going to a honeypot location (Lakes) during (Scottish and English) school holidays, I never had a problem finding a free charger and (despite a bit of hassle with one charger) always managed to start the charge.
You can use various apps, RFID cards and membership of various schemes to bring the price down a bit if you want. Personally, I do over 90% of my charging at home (at 7p/kwh) so find the cost of the few public charging sessions I need to do is pretty much irrelevant. So I was happy to just tap my card and accept that it would probably cost as much as (if not more than) filling up my ICE car on the motorway.
I wonder how an FSD car will cope in Rome, for example
Well, since you mention it...
Tesla Full Self Driving (Supervised) test in Rome center, Italy
RE charging away from home; i've found the 2 most useful 'things' to have are
1 - an electroverse card. just tap against pretty much all chargers and it jsut bills to your account. works well in UK and abroad.
2 - Tesla app - many superchargers are open to non tesla, and are fast and cheap.
DrP
Well it didn't crash which I guess is something 😀 Might have been quicker to walk (or cycle) though as the video mostly seemed to consist of watching other cars flying past or disappearing off into the distance.
The problem with all of these videos though is that you are basically watching a few minutes where it worked (or some dramatic failure if the poster is on the other side of the argument). What matters is how and how often it fails.
It's the same with most AI discussions really. It's usually "here is a case where it works brilliantly" or "here is a case where it is useless" when what matters is how often it fails and what the consequences of those failures might be.
Uneducated guess but I suspect that once the statistics are there an insurance company will only provide third-party cover for an at-fault accident where the car's self-driving capability (supervised or not) wasn't used. I'm surprised that they haven't already done this for incidents where the EDR shows that safety aids were disabled at the start of a journey, they could save millions in payouts.
I'm surprised that they haven't already done this for incidents where the EDR shows that safety aids were disabled at the start of a journey, they could save millions in payouts.
And yet, as you say, they haven't.
I think they are nervous about moving away from strict liability of the driver. The aids are just that, aids that the driver can choose to use (or not) but ultimately it is the driver who remains responsible. Once you start forcing the driver to use an aid you open yourself up to the defence of "I crashed because I was distracted by this aid that you forced me to use". So now the driver can try to hold the insurance company partially responsible for the accident and try to reclaim some costs that might not have been covered by their insurance.
To bring it back to the topic of the thread, my new EV is stuffed full of aids. Some of which I find useful and some of which I just find distracting. Other drivers have different (often strongly held) views and that's fine. But unless the manufacturer (or whoever forces me to use them) is going to start to share responsibility for any accidents, it remains my choice as to whether I use them or not.
A timely news story - Tesla found to be partially at fault for an accident involving Autopilot. Maybe Elon will rethink his marketing and technical solutions, but I doubt it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93dqpkwx4xo
Aids don't force you to do anything, they aren't culpable in an accident. At least, not well designed ones. If you have a car that yanks the wheel hard one way or the other based on poor data so hard that you crash, then that's a poor design. But a medium nudge like I get in my Hyundai is never going to cause an accident. This is nothing to complain about IMO, and I'm pretty sure that there are good statistics that show that overall, the aids save a lot of accidents, but I can't be bothered to search for it. Aids don't force you to do anything, they aren't culpable in an accident. At least, not well designed ones. If you have a car that yanks the wheel hard one way or the other based on poor data so hard that you crash, then that's a poor design. But a nudge like I get in my Hyundai is never going to cause an accident. It's weird at first but you get used to it very quickly. It's also easy to disable with a single button press once you end up in an environment where it doesn't work that well e.g. a narrow B road. This is nothing to complain about IMO, and I'm pretty sure that there are good statistics that show that overall, the aids save a lot of accidents, but I can't be bothered to search for it.
What app(s) do I need to be able to charge fairly easily when away from the house and how does it all work?
Just use your debit card at rapid chargers, it's much easier than fannying about with apps. It seems like most slow chargers need apps, there's a host of 2-bit 'networks' of slow chargers that are a bit rubbish, but they're not very useful so I hardly ever use them. The only apps I have are Electroverse (only because I couldn't get them to send me the RFID card and if I use them I get 8% off for being an Octopus customer) and ZapMap, to browse for chargers whilst planning trips. I don't use it on the move though, I just go with what the car says.
I can find lots of lowish milage, up to 30k, 2-3 years old, 200mile+ range for under 15k. Nissan Leaf, MG4, Corsa, ID3 etc.
Don't get a Leaf - it's first-gen tech and whilst they are ok these days, the other options are far better. I would go for a Kona personally as I think Hyundai are doing a great job with the tech and with looking after customers of older cars with updates.