molgrips - did you get back home in time to vote?
Yeah, fat lot of good it did.
Can any of you Tory boys tell me what I have to look forward to? Or what my public sector friends have to look forward to?
Yesss
Milliband was right - vote SNP, get a Tory government.
Even if every single person in Scotland voted Labour, the Tories would still win.
Gratuitous "Balls out" headline.
Balls out!!!
Does this night get any better!!? 😀
Yvette will now run for Labour leadership I reckon 🙂
Ed Balls out! What a fitting comment on Labour's economic policy.
Simply marvellous!
Another five years of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.
[quote=Stoner said]Yvette will now run for Labour leadership I reckon
Burnham's a shoe-in for that I reckon, unless Len McCluskey doesn't like him.
Just looking at Ed Balls Wikipedia page, looks like it's been hacked!! 😆
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some weird voting locally. the libdem vote appears to have gone straight to UKIP, labour and tory percentage unchanged.
Morning you lot
Truly depressing how popular UKIP are south of the border - second most popular party in Wales!
So what happens to those who lost their seat? Unemployed? Or some back office job for the party some where?
Heard someone laugh at clegg during his speech, that is distasteful.
I didn't vote ukip, but cannot understand the continued demonising, I don't think they ever believed they'd get in power just like most protest parties, people seem to think we'd be voting for hitler the way they spit farages name. Admitedly he comes across a bit of a numpty, but most of them do.l..
The Guido boys liked the Ed Balls news.
Some serious blubber movement there.
My Tuppance: Tory's will tear each other apart, the RW of the party won't be ignored and the paper thin majority (if there is one) will make them stronger and bolder. I think Cameron's one nation speech this morning was aimed at them as much as to the rest of us.
Next 5 years is going to be a bloody mess.
Bye bye Ed plus one for fitting comment on Labour fiscal policy, take the hint labour
.. [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000826 ]and Balls Out[/url]
Truly depressing how popular UKIP are south of the border - second most popular party in Wales!
Hate to break it to you but the Scottish version got 50 seats.
It's a sad day. This means no Boris. I was hoping for some entertainment.
Hate to break it to you but the Scottish version got 50 seats.
Nope gratifyingly UKIP got their arses kicked north of the border.
(I know you meant the SNP, but I'm going to ignore that)
Well, isn't this all very interesting
SNP have a landslide 'locally', but with a Con majority, their voice in Westminster will not be what they had hoped.
Indeed, the major talk in the run up was about coalitions and who would get into bed with each other. This seems likely to be largely redundant. Yes Cameron won't have everything his own way and will likely need some support on some issues, but he doesn't need to go conceding cabinet places, etc.
PR? Yes it has benefits and drawbacks. Yes, UKIP would have got a significant representation in the house, but if that's what a good proportion of voters want... You can't have PR just to satisfy what you want. That's democracy, as hard as some results might be to stomach.
Can't see Clegg & Milliband lasting long, interesting times ahead.
Seeing as PR isn't on the horizon, it's probably time to look at constituency division as it's utterly bonkers now and I suspect this this directly affecting results. Some of the boundaries are utterly bizarre and defy logic.
Anyway, the people have had their say and that's that until the next election. Personally I really wanted our MP to lose his seat as I cannot abide him. Sadly just over 51% of my fellow voters disagree with me. Oh well, nowt I can do about that, so just gotta get on with it.
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Wonder when those billions of welfare cuts are going to be announced? If it is child benefit I expect a load of right-wing whining to start.
the tories might have been hoping coalition was a "get out of jail free card" on some of there pre election promises !
[quote=piedi di formaggio said]
Can't see Clegg & Milliband lasting long
lunchtime today ?
Well, isn't this all very interesting...
sure is, and the loss of so many political "heavyweights" combined with the influx of naive nationalists means that the tories will pretty much be the only party with any clout - narrow tory majority maybe, but more "in charge" than they must have dared think.
The future's blue, and I don't mean Braveheart facepaint 😆
I can't see PR being a reality any time soon.
There is now some interesting discussion of if or how the Cons accommodate the views of parties that have gained significantly higher shares of the vote than in the past; namely SNP and UKIP.
The popularity of SNP in Scotland is clear, but within the England and Wales, the weight of votes for UKIP has, to some degree, to be a bit of a shot across the bows of the Cons.
Moreover, the Cons may actually have benefited from the UKIP effect, if you think in terms of the choices for the voter being akin to the classic marketing study of beer:
UKIP being "Premium conservative".People were offered 2 kinds of beer: premium beer for $2.50 and bargain beer for $1.80. Around 80% chose the more expensive beer.Now a third beer was introduced, a super bargain beer for $1.60 in addition to the previous two. Now 80% bought the $1.80 beer and the rest $2.50 beer. Nobody bought the cheapest option...
Remember that the SNP have been in government in Scotland for 8 years. They know what they're doing.
Personally I don't see how the union can survive with a tory majority and an SNP Scotland.
The popularity of SNP in Scotland is clear, but within the England and Wales, the weight of votes for UKIP has, to some degree, to be a bit of a shot across the bows of the Cons.
Labour voters switching to ukip is hardly anything for the tories to worry about.
Personally I don't see how the union can survive with a tory majority and an SNP Scotland.
Especially if the reaction is to blame Scotland for voting the wrong way and scaring people in England.
Cameron to preside over the break up of the UK?
Sadly it's the only way you could square these results.
Using a Tory majority to govern a 95% SNP Scotland is going to cause ongoing and growing resentment and general nastiness.
Hopefully Cameron is cleverer than I think but I doubt it.
At least a Tory majority means no DUP / UKIP coalition - the stuff of nightmares.
"just call me Dave" 😉
Cameron to preside over the break up of the UK?
How's that going to happen then? Are we back in the fantasy land of unilateral declarations of independence?
I'm sure we are going to see a very rapid end to the west Lothian question mind 🙂
I just feel genuinely sorry for the Lib Dems. Probably the one thing that kept the Conservatives honest for the last five years and now wiped out because they got the rep for the bad stuff.
[quote=igm said]Cameron to preside over the break up of the UK?
Sadly it's the only way you could square these results.
Using a Tory majority to govern a 95% SNP Scotland is going to cause ongoing and growing resentment and general nastiness.
Hopefully Cameron is cleverer than I think but I doubt it.
Even if one of the first things he does is initiate the devolution of more powers to Scotland a la devo max ?
He's going to have to impose a Tory will on a country where 95% of the constituencies voted SNP. It's going to be seen as colonialism; a foreign power imposing its will unilaterally - don't think constitutional reality has anything to do with this. It's going to be hellish for everyone.
Should have voted for independence then 😆
Truly depressing how popular UKIP are south of the border - second most popular party in Wales
Got a link to the wales figures ??
Especially if the reaction is to blame Scotland for voting the wrong way and scaring people in England.
Unfortunately I think there may well be some truth in that actually being what happened
The support and rise of the SNP is what probably gave the tories a win.....strange world politics
The people have spoken the Bastards
17 Pages?!? Can someone do me a TL;DR? 😉
RM.
Personally I don't see how the union can survive with a tory majority and an SNP Scotland.
It's not a massive difference to the state of affairs during the last referendum, and we know how the people voted on that one.
I suppose it depends on how emboldened the now unchecked tories are and what they try to do.
I suspect Dave will go down a federal route as it is likely the only way to save the Union and he must also realise that a federalise England [ which is the powerhouse] is conservative[ note small c] in nature.
He loves the union and I suppose this issue is how far he can be pushed to "save" it
[quote=igm opined]He's going to have to impose a Tory will on a country where 95% of the constituencies voted SNP. It's going to be seen as colonialism; a foreign power imposing its will unilaterally - don't think constitutional reality has anything to do with this. It's going to be hellish for everyone.
Its pretty hard to see how they can claim legitimacy to govern over Scotland tbh
ninfan - Member
Should have voted for independence then
Didn't know there was an independence vote in Yorkshire. Of course if there is I could speculate on the result... 😉
Should have voted for independence then
Exactly. Scotland had a vote and made their choice. Democracy in action. You can't please all the people all of the time.
