well even with the snp seats labour is still <300 (so far), or do you reckon a potential labour/SNP coalition pushed more people to vote tory.Unfortunately I think there may well be some truth in that actually being what happened
Its pretty hard to see how they can claim legitimacy to govern over Scotland tbh
Yet many would have said that it would have been fair for the SNP (with less votes than UKIP) to have had a loud voice in westminster and a say in english matters (where they also have zero seats)
the tories might have been hoping coalition was a "get out of jail free card" on some of there pre election promises !
This. In particular there is now no escape from the EU referendum that was so prominently promised. That will be a lot of laughs.
Donk - did you see the Tory pick pocket posters? Borderline racism
Wrecker - don't confuse actual legitimacy and the perception of legitimacy. The Tories won the elections to the UK Parliament this they are legitimate, just as in another world a Labour/SNP coalition would have been legitimate. The perception of the governed on the other hand...
Ironically the tories will look less unified under a majority than in coalition as the old wounds will resurface. At least with the Lib dems Dave could just say I cannot they wont let me now he has to actually deal with what Major called the "bastards"
Also worth noting that MPS rebel more when the majority is small as they have increased power.
It certainly wont be easy for him
Yet many would have said that it would have been fair for the SNP (with less votes than UKIP) to have had a loud voice in westminster and a say in english matters (where they also have zero seats)
A say yes a loud voice yes but rule England NO. Big difference
They dont have any legitimacy in Scotland its not even debatable at least with the SNP you could argue it [ there were string arguments on bith sides to be fair]. The T
Balls out
Called it 5 hours ago, you snooze you lose
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Ironically the tories will look less unified under a majority than in coalition as the old wounds will resurface. At least with the Lib dems Dave could just say I cannot they wont let me now he has to actually deal with what Major called the "bastards"
Also worth noting that MPS rebel more when the majority is small as they have increased power.
It certainly wont be easy for him
Yet many would have said that it would have been fair for the SNP (with less votes than UKIP) to have had a loud voice in westminster and a say in english matters (where they also have zero seats)
A say yes a loud voice yes but rule England NO. Big difference as you well know.
They dont have any legitimacy in Scotland its not even debatable at least with the SNP you could argue it [ there were strong arguments on both sides to be fair]. No argument* can really be put forward to say the Tories have any sort of mandate in Scotland
* its STW I am sure ninfan can concoct something but I mean convincing
so who be the next Labour leader?
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Are we ready? I think it'd be an interesting prospect and I'd like to know more about this fella.
so who be the next Labour leader?
Not him if they want to get elected, a privately educated city-boy lawyer?
Regarding Scotland, the SNP only got 50% of the vote which reflects the referendum result.
BBC reporting Miliband to step down.
It wont be Theo walcott
A say yes a loud voice yes but rule England NO. Big difference
Semantics though? They'd have had the power to cast a deciding vote on laws and bills in england which is exactly what the tories now have in scotland.
They dont have any legitimacy in Scotland its not even debatable at least with the SNP you could argue it
Regardless of what colour tie they wear, the UK govt is the UK govt and scotland is a part of the UK. Like it or not, scotland will ultimately be governed by the tories. That was the entire point of the referendum was it not?
Wonder what's happening right now to all those "Liberal Democrats - Winning Here" signs right now. 😕
Prepare for the backlash Scotland
They dont have any legitimacy in Scotland its not even debatable at least with the SNP you could argue it [ there were strong arguments on both sides to be fair]. No argument* can really be put forward to say the Tories have any sort of mandate in Scotland
Apart from the fact that this is the government of the United Kingdom of which Scotland is part of, and chose to remain part of last year.
Scotland already have more powers than any other separate part of the UK.
Ed has nicely poisoned the Miliband well for his brother. Don't know if the Blair legacy would have tainted David, but I'm pretty sure he'd have done a damn sight better than that.
Think we'll perhaps see a relative unknown a la Blair come to the fore over the next couple of years.
Not him if they want to get elected, a privately educated city-boy lawyer?
So Blair wasn't?
Well the exit was fairly accurate I've got my P45 and Britain has lost one of its most progressive MPs
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so who be the next Labour leader?
Yes - he's an ambitious and slippery operator, believer in the Free Money Tree.
He'll fail as well.
only? [b]Only[/b]? Con currently showing as 36%.Regarding Scotland, the SNP only got 50% of the vote
IANApolitics pundit but a single party getting 50%* of the vote sounds a pretty big deal.
*I'm assuming your quoted 50% is accurate, haven't looked
Ed has nicely poisoned the Miliband well for his brother.
He's not an MP though… so would this be some unexpected left-field ninja power swoop?
Must be freezing at Scottish Labour HQ this morning I just read it was -40
camo - if its anything like the vandalism of the 'yes' campaign, they'll be blighting the landscape for a while yet.
Think we'll perhaps see a relative unknown a la Blair come to the fore over the next couple of years.
It'll be interesting to see if their rhetoric moved back to the centre to make them electable again or whether they'll continue the suicidal shift further left.
Tories in very strong position, they can overturn the Fixed Term Parliament Act with a simple majority, they can make boundary changes (although much of Labour benefit was in Scotland so it is SNP benefit now). Voting system isn't the problem for the Left, its the voters
The Left need to stop agreeing with each other on social media and actually try and persuade people who don't vote for them to vote their way.
Anyway - will the BBC show live footage of Paddy Ashdown eating his hat!?
Semantics though?
No there is more then a semantic difference to have a voice and ruling. If you are just going to do this lets not bother with a "discussion"
Even you note it would be a "deciding" vote where as the TOries will just decide
These ar enot the same thing as your answer demonstrates
Indeed the Union is the Union [ ie they can do it] but I will be surprised if even he tries to steamroller things. It does not strike me as the best way to save the union is to ignore the will of the people when your message is "better together". It will only serve to pour fire on the demands for independence IMHO.
As noted above its not whether he can do it it is whether the people [ of Scotland] recognise his right to do it. I think its a hard ask for pretty obvious electoral reasons.
He may do it just to kill Labour off there though as the Tories have been dead there for a generation but again I dont see how this will help them sell the union as a "better together".
The Left need to stop agreeing with each on social media and actually try and persuade people who don't vote for them to vote their way
Bloody good point!
He's not an MP though… so would this be some unexpected left-field ninja power swoop?
I suppose if he had major backing, then he could get in via a bye-election, but his decision to quit Parliament earlier would have been based on the fact that, win or lose, Ed's leadership kills any chance of him getting a shot.
will the BBC show live footage of Paddy Ashdown eating his hat!?
The poll wasn't actually right though was it?
"It'll be interesting to see if their rhetoric moved back to the centre to make them electable again or whether they'll continue the suicidal shift further left."
WHAT?! 'Labour' now are further to the right than Thatcher was. This was the reason IMO they fell so far short: People wanted an alternative, not more of the same under a different brand.
Let the bloodletting begin.
Long knives at the ready...
The Left need to stop agreeing with each on social media and actually try and persuade people who don't vote for them to vote their way.
IMO the left are too vitriolic in their opinions - for weeks now my Facebook feed has been filled with hatred from left wing supporters.
The poll wasn't actually right though was it?
What - the exit poll that's proved to pretty much spot-on?
He's not an MP though… so would this be some unexpected left-field ninja power swoop?
Whats the competition like?
WHAT?! 'Labour' now are further to the right than Thatcher was. This was the reason IMO they fell so far short: People wanted an alternative, not more of the same under a different brand.
Labour analyst on the beeb said that the reflexive reaction to defeat by Labour is to claim that they weren't far enough to the left, and that the media were to blame, when in fact the opposite is true in electoral terms.
[i]Personally I don't see how the union can survive with a tory majority and an SNP Scotland.[/i]
I agree. When you saw how vehement the protests were against the 'red tories', it will be far worse for CMD and his chums to even get over the border.
No, as someone alluded to earlier, I think it will be the English that will persuade our rulers that another independence vote is in [u]everyone's[/u] favour.
I think the SNP should regard the result as a de facto vote for independence and push ahead regardless.
well done to Ed - he said he'd rather see Cameron back in Downing St than form an alliance with the SNP and that's what he got.
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seosamh77  » Exit Poll:
Tory 316
labour 238
SNP 58
Liberal 10
UKIP 2
Green 2
I reckon that's aways out.
Yep, typically exit polls underestimate Tory results
You heard it here first 8)
[i]Labour analyst on the beeb said that the reflexive reaction to defeat by Labour is to claim that they weren't far enough to the left, and that the media were to blame, when in fact the opposite is true in electoral terms.[/i]
I believe it has been the 'meeja' that have distorted the whole picture all the way through the campaign. Talking up no hopers, talking down CMD, whilst all along the result was pretty much what I expected. Sensible people were NOT going to vote for the two [s]jokers[/s] Ed's....period!
Dan Jarvis
'gave his campaign the codename 'Operation Honey Badger'
At least as a former serviceman he has some experience of life outside politics, though.
^ +1
Hence my bet on March 14th for Cons Majority.
Lots of left wing mutual backslapping and talking to themselves does not mean that the electorate are going with them.
