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well I suppose it a reply of sorts Cpt
so its not about property law to you Cpt its just about finding a practical solution and you object simply because it wont work?
That's my main beef with it!
Hes back with his trade mark style of personal arrogance and pithy dismay of anyone who disagrees
Yes, but fair dos - he restrained himself from posting on the "should Nicola Sturgeon resign" thread. That must have cost him a very sore wrist.
Journalist for @JewishChron. Part of the 'Zionist media' you hear so much about! All views my own (or taught to me by senior Elders on our secret island lair)
Since when were randoms on Twitter to be taken any more seriously than than posts on here?
Edit: point taken and name removed but he is here, Cougar.
When governments decide to requisition they just vote themselves the necessary powers.
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so its not about property law to you Cpt its just about finding a practical solution and you object simply because it wont work?
No, I object because it's utter bobbins to requisition/occupy. It would cost far more, and take far longer than any of the alternatives. It would, almost certainly, have much longer term problems of law suits, payouts etc that would cost money that is needed to help those that need it, not to fund the lawyers and line the pockets of those who are rich enough to afford those lawyers. But it does have a lovely "bash the rich" aftertaste, if that's your thing. I'd rather see something that helps the people who need it. Not something that gets lots of likes and shares with hashtags.
It's not so much "bash the rich" as negociate conditions of requisition with copanies that have large property porfolios with vacant property. Easy when you are a government in a position to tax that sector wtih non-occupation taxes if they don't help.
#Lookawayflashy
cheers Cpt and what he said
You know how you were asking a few pages back why hardly anybody from the political "right" posts? Take a look at the responses to teamhurtmore's return. Like most forums, this one is dominated by a clique of regulars. Most of you lean to the left politically. Nothing wrong with that. The 2 that don't appear to be a lunatic and either the greatest troll ever or some kind of sado-masochist But anyone who voices any kind of pro-Conservative, monarchy or organised religion views will immediately find themselves being passive-aggressively patronised or getting outright hostility from a few posters.
I await the cries of snowflake. I'm happy to defend my opinions but nobody gets paid to come on here, why would anyone want to spend their free time doing that? I accept the tone of lots of people who have posted from that end have been confrontational or even offensive, but lots of the big hitters are at fault here from my point of view. Words like self-righteous and condescending spring to mind! I do enjoy reading opinions on here and I've learned a lot, but I think the tone can feel a bit aggressive on subjects that would probably be a convivial chat face to face.
true enough - however THMs post was hardly pleasant/polite- so not the best choice.
However I struggle to disagree with your broad thrust. It can sound like an echo chamber and it would be nice to have an actual debate one day and I am also part of that problems
I shall endeavour to be nicer
airtragic - Member
You know how you were asking a few pages back why hardly anybody from the political "right" posts? Take a look at the responses to teamhurtmore's return. Like most forums, this one is dominated by a clique of regulars. Most of you lean to the left politically. Nothing wrong with that. The 2 that don't appear to be a lunatic and either the greatest troll ever or some kind of sado-masochist But anyone who voices any kind of pro-Conservative, monarchy or organised religion views will immediately find themselves being passive-aggressively patronised or getting outright hostility from a few posters.
I await the cries of snowflake. I'm happy to defend my opinions but nobody gets paid to come on here, why would anyone want to spend their free time doing that? I accept the tone of lots of people who have posted from that end have been confrontational or even offensive, but lots of the big hitters are at fault here from my point of view. Words like self-righteous and condescending spring to mind! I do enjoy reading opinions on here and I've learned a lot, but I think the tone can feel a bit aggressive on subjects that would probably be a convivial chat face to face.
i'm sure that's all fine and dandy, long as you completely ignore content of this thread...Hint, it wasn't the "lefties" that started trying to score spurious points/wind up people(delete as applicable) on the back of a horrifying disaster.
Well tbf that is kinda what JC was doing to start the whole debate 😉
theocb - Member
Well tbf that is kinda what JC was doing to start the whole debate
this comment just saddens me.
AT, it's the "tolerance" of the left and amusing to behold 😉 makes great reading.
Good link flashy
According to the Telegraph, this is what Corbyn said:
The ward where this fire took place is, I think, the poorest ward in the whole country and properties must be found - requisitioned if necessary - to make sure those residents do get re-housed locally.It can’t be acceptable that in London we have luxury buildings and luxury flats left empty as land banking for the future while the homeless and the poor look for somewhere to live. We have to address these issues.
An excessive amount of attention seems to have been given to just three words of that whole statement, and more so on one word, rather than the important qualifier, 'if necessary'.
Corbyn has been a London MP since 1983, so he probably has greater insight and personal experience (from surgeries etc.) than any of us of the extent of the housing shortages and problems of the capital and their impact on people. I suspect that he is, like any 'good'/effective politician, seeing and using a window of opportunity to raise public awareness of the problems and help to promote a public debate which would hopefully push the current and future governments to act. Politicians have shied away from taking difficult decisions about housing in the UK for the last 40 years, because it's difficult and there are few votes in it, so if Corbyn does exploit Grenfell Tower to try to change that, some good may come from the disaster.
According to the Telegraph, this is what Corbyn said:
And, according to the Independent...
“Occupy it, compulsory purchase it, requisition it. There’s a lot of things you can do,” Mr Corbyn said.
But it does have a lovely "bash the rich" aftertaste, if that's your thing.
Bash the rich? I thought it was just about keeping people in the local area, instead of shipping them out to places like Preston? I suppose empty properties in that area are likely to be owned by "the rich", but I don't think they're being "bashed" with this suggestion.
Nothing wrong with Preston, but it's a long way to commute.
aye THM your tolerance of others views - say wee eck or scottish independence- is LEGENDARY
bash the rich, burn the poor... the helpless rich, how will they ever survive.
anyway since the point seem to be getting missed again, i'll quote myself.
It's the bottom of the slope jamba, when you jump on the words of a guy, who clearly, in the immediate aftermath of the disaster, felt for the people in the towers plight, and was just off the top of his stating things that could be done to ease their suffering as soon as possible.He wasn't outlining a campaign promise, he was just iterating that if the will was there something could quite easily and very quickly be done, there were many options..
You're somewhat, deliberately, missing the point. If for your own political gain or wind up purposes, i'll others decide. Pretty shameful either way.
i'm sure that's all fine and dandy, long as you completely ignore content of this thread...Hint, it wasn't the "lefties" that started trying to score spurious points/wind up people(delete as applicable) on the back of a horrifying disaster.
Granted, though I didn't view the OP as a wind-up. I've seen a lot of it on Facebook too, with the run-up to the election. The polarising effect of the Internet is saddening. Reasonableness will be the saviour of us all!
If it were Paris and the property investment company I have a totally insignificant share in had a few empty flats requisitioned I wouldn't even notice, and if anyone bothered to ask me I'd agree. We are (anyone with a private pension or a diverse personal portfolio) "the rich" in terms of holding part of the empty property, even if as individuals we aren't rich..
it's the 2 weeks a year holiday home owners getting nervous probably thinking it'll be the thin end of the wedge. Governments of all hues have always requisitioned or compulsory purchased properties in time of need or for civil projects and when people are living in them. Loads of people on the route of hs2 probably don't want to move, but it's tough shit buster.
this comment just saddens me
It wasn't my intention so sorry about that.. I think you are being a bit naive if you think JC wasn't opening up a political can o'worms deliberately.
Maybe it's good to open that can but imo it's unfair to claim he isn't using the tragedy to talk about his political views while berating others for doing the same.
The can of worms he opened, was simply, why can't we help these people quicker. There are political questions that stem from that and why it happened, none of which are really about compulsory purchase orders, and do go much wider. Point was sort these people out firstly though.
I think you are being a bit naive if you think JC wasn't opening up a political can o'worms deliberately.
I think his mind was on the victims and the massive social injustice that would have been visible all around him. I don't think he was thinking of the current political situation or even his current job.
The property situation in London is a serious problem that needs addressing. And the plight of the victims also needs addressing.
why can't we help these people quicker.
That's what I heard in what he said too.
But I wasn't scrabbling for something to knock him down with I suppose.
I think his mind was on the victims and the massive social injustice that would have been visible all around him.
Confirmation bias.
Empathy.
Confirmation bias.
Very possibly in my case, but do you acknowledge that cuts both ways and you may be guilty of the same?
Theresa May no doubt has equally pure motives in all her endeavours;)
Very possibly in my case, but do you acknowledge that cuts both ways and you may be guilty of the same?
Good point. Yes I do, easy because I don't much like either!
IMO he was raising the issue of property investors using the fire as a soapbox. That's what politicians do (I have no issue with this, some of you only see it when your own views have been offended)
He is an experienced politician.. Don't be fooled by his bungling half-wit nature. 😉
Indeed, Slowster, indeed.
And here lies the point,
Theresa May no doubt has equally pure motives in all her endeavours;)
She has to cover herself here, make the situation safe. So, her endeavours, while I hope they are intended to help, will certainly have an eye on covering her arse.
See also McDonnell - One day he's calling for a million on the streets to overthrow the government, the next he's calling for any protests to be peaceful. Much like newspapers, or any other news source, the splash is on page one, the clarification/apology is buried on page thirty three under an article about a yodelling otter.
Rebuilding Grenfell tower will take a year, or 2. The surviving residents do not deserve the limbo-tastic non existence of living in a hotel, nor do they deserve to be scattered to the 4 winds. This rich country should, and can afford to treat them with respect and dignity, the fact that it won't, because of massively skewed property laws that hugely benefit the wealthy to the detriment of everyone else (not just 'the poor') is our collective shame.
One day he's calling for a million on the streets to overthrow the government, the next he's calling for any protests to be peaceful.
What are you on about Flash?
No one called for a violent overthrowing of the government.
The surviving residents do not deserve the limbo-tastic non existence of living in a hotel, nor do they deserve to be scattered to the 4 winds.
Great post awhiles.
Whatever the motives for Corbyn's statements (and they are not all mutually exclusive), they should be contrasted with Theresa May's statements, and also her actions, especially so given she is the PM and as the Leader of the Opposition Corbyn has no power and cannot take decisions (and that is probably an extremely frustrating position to be in when faced with the victims of Grenfell Tower).
If Corbyn (or May or any politician) had said that these people must be rehomed in the borough 'at all costs', I doubt anyone would have disagreed. So maybe in using the terms requisition or occupy he was being deliberately provocative, e.g. to highlight the difference in his attitude and approach to this issue.
In contrast to Corbyn, May's statements sound like the Finance Director of a mid-sized corporate. She's the PM: we don't want to hear that she's found £5M from the budget for compensation, we want to hear that X, Y and Z will be done, and that she is going to make sure that they are done.
I think his mind was on the victims and the massive social injustice that would have been visible all around him.
Confirmation bias.
Yours I assume
He was essentially saying lets try something as we really must help these people that is all you can disagree with what he said but to question why he said it requires some blue glasses.I agree May is more worried about shoring up her position than helping I suspect most politicians would be doing the same in her precarious place but she really does not look like she can even pretend to be empathetic - at least blair and Cameron could pretend well. I think they may have even cared
Personally I just see the RW mentioning property rights and attacking him when all he was trying to do was house homeless people in their hour of need.Perhaps he should have said explore all avenues or some such PR blandness to avoid this but some of you are just trying to hard to see something that was not really there.As others say his motives were good Mays we probably all think were less so.
She is just not very competent and when coupled with her lack of support within the partyit is not going to help her, the government or the residents.
Equator you can't possibly compare your experience of being a landlord in France with its massively tennet friendly laws to the UK I am not surprised you haven't evicted someone over a 5.000€ Debt. Is it even possible ? My FIL had a commercial tennet not pay for a year and had to offer him compensation to leave as demanded by the court !!
Corbyn said OCCUPY deliberately to be confroversial and appeal to the hard left activists. I heard him say it as the interview was televised.
No one called for a violent overthrowing of the government.
Well let's wait and see how peaceful this march is then ? We haven't quite gotten to France's level of far left protest complete with petrol bombs but we are heading in that direction.
Jamba tenant friendly laws in the UK? - completely the other way round. No security of tenure, no rights to prevent massive rent rises, no protection from unethical agents.
Your story is unmitigated bullshine.
he did not you just have a hair trigger to the use of that word or you are doing faux outrage because his basic sentiment is a good one and you cannot attack that.the only folk who seemed to have noticed the word are the extremely right wing ones who dislike him.Corbyn said OCCUPY deliberately to be confroversial and appeal to the hard left activists. I heard him say it as the interview was televised.
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Well let's wait and see how peaceful this march is then ? We haven't quite gotten to France's level of far left protest complete with petrol bombs but we are heading in that direction.
And you're rubbing your hands with glee at the prospect of violence aren't you? It will help to confirm all your horrible, seedy prejudices won't it.
Any hint of a non-peaceful protest will enable you to just carry on spouting your hateful bile.
To quote Bill Hicks:
"Everything you say is suspect and every word that comes out of your mouth is now like a turd falling into my drink."