Either leaving part of the BBQ meat free for the vegetarians
Sure. Experience would suggest that nothing could possibly go wrong with this approach.
or having a second smaller one on the go
"Disposable barbecues are evil therefore I demand that you buy a second real one!" Then in the next breath, someone will be complaining about preachy vegans.
even if you’ve got to bring it yourself.
Why on earth would I own a barbecue when I'm vegetarian? For the once every two years where someone I know has a barbecue, it's not just considered 'not weird' but actually expected that I turn up with a full cookset? Really?
Most ‘tree-huggers’ I know aren’t mega keen on disposable stuff.
🤷♂️ what do all your masses of vegetarian friends do when invited to barbecues do, then? Do they rock up with their own portable Weber, or do they bring a packed lunch? Of course, wrapping sandwiches might be an issue...
I have a second grill for the non-meat eating types for the Weber kettle. No waste and no cross-contamination
Thank you.
Most of our BBQ are completely Vegi now… so much good stuff you can throw on the flames. BBQ aren’t just for us meat eaters. We have a dishwasherable stainless steel cooking tray… recommended for clean cooking every time. Anyway, if we have a vegi guest we don’t cook any meat. Simpler that way, and results in more variety in our own diets in the summer. Win, win.
Easy there Tiger Cougar!
I'm vegetarian. I own a small barbeque. Why on earth wouldn't I? I might want to have a BBQ in my garden. Sometimes I take it to friend's houses if we're having a BBQ. If they're coming to mine and want to eat meat, they bring one. Otherwise, my friends know I don't eat meat when they invite me. Sometimes they own a second BBQ they put out. Sometimes they leave half the grill free, or cook veggie stuff first. Seems to work fine and no-one minds because we're all friends.
Just seems better to spend a few more quid on a BBQ that will last years than a disposable one.
PS. I've got a box for my sandwiches. No need to wrap them. 😉
so much good stuff you can throw on the flames.
Yes was introduced to barbecued banana recently. If you have a sweet tooth like me.... Cut a slit down the length of the bananas and stuff a few chocolate drops inside each. Hoik onto BBQ for errrm 10 minutes at a guess (at the end when not at full heat). Serve with icecream, and some rich brown coloured alcohol I can't remember what. Enjoy!
corn on the cob on the barbecue ruins any boiled in water version.
My gf called me a grumpy old man this morning
Think she's nailed it. One needs to be careful of this as one gets older. Yes, there are dicks everywhere doing things that you don't like. But we live on a crowded little island so it's either bugger off and live in Alaska, or learn some zen acceptance tactics and count ones blessings.
Whenever I get a bit down I try to remind myself that I live in a time of prosperity, in a wealthy nation, no plagues, no war, plentiful food, psychedelic drugs a click away, little crime, no having to work all the damn time or walk miles to get water out of a well, hot girls wandering around in next to nothing, summer, sun, bbq's...
As always,it's not the object that's the real problem, it's idiot users - see also cars, bikes, scooters....
The disposable BBQ is the symptom, not the cause. We keep addressing symptoms, not causes.
Just as an aside, you really have to be a special kind of stupid to accidentaly start a wild fire with a disposable, I mean, they don't burn for long anyway, so as long as you put them on a suitable surface, and chuck a bit of water/pop on it when youre done for good measure... youd have to be really really reckless to cause a problem.
No, the problem is the item. Just like polystyrene cups and fast food containers… when you’ve had years of evidence about how poorly people use them… you have to control the item rather than just wishing people were better. The frequency and extent of fires caused by disposal BBQ (mis)use has brought us to a point where an outright ban can no longer be avoided (sadly) unless we want to see more of the same.
Just because the fire looks "out" or the BBQ has been placed on top of something doesn't mean the risk from fire has gone. seen it so many times reignition of fire due to zombie fire or creep fire. The media whip it up into frenzy local neds setting fires again or fire service not fully extinguishing the original fire. We've seen deep seated fires 2m below ground level ended up getting JCB in to dig a firebreak trench and flooded that .
Yep, disposable BBQs need to go, ludicrous that they are still around in 2022 given the damage they cause & the single-use aspect. Also, they’re atrocious for cooking on anyway!
remind myself that I live in a time of prosperity, in a wealthy nation, no plagues, no war,
Yes indeed! Unfortunately I keep thinking about medieval torture devices while practising yoga, which kinda ruins it a bit!
I’m vegetarian. I own a small barbeque. Why on earth wouldn’t I?
You have a cooker?
I don't know, I thought the whole point of a barbecue was something about coal fired hickory smoked char grilled whatever mystery meat, the Yanks get this right whereas here in the UK we seem to have a weird interpretation of it which is blood and charcoal. Sounds less like food and more like a Metallica album cover. I don't really 'get' the vegetarian equivalence here.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not That Vegetarian, I've said this on STW on many occasions previously. I really don't want to be, I'll happily go get a bag of chips from round the corner rather than make a fuss. My point in its entirety was that single-use BBQs serve a purpose here. It's far preferable to me than trying to explain to lovely, well-meaning people that a corner of a lard-soaked grill doesn't really appeal.
PS. I’ve got a box for my sandwiches. No need to wrap them. 😉
Don't they fall apart?
As always,it’s not the object that’s the real problem, it’s idiot users – see also cars, bikes, scooters….
The disposable BBQ is the symptom, not the cause. We keep addressing symptoms, not causes.
Nail, head.
As always,it’s not the object that’s the real problem, it’s idiot users – see also cars, bikes, scooters….AK47s, combat knives, nun-chucks 😉
The disposable BBQ is the symptom, not the cause. We keep addressing symptoms, not causes.
Isn't that what people opposing gun laws often say? 😉
People are always being stupid. Sometimes it's useful to have legislation that takes care of that to some extent. Quicker at least.
They've been around years and cause a lot of problems. We should become less familiar with the term 'disposable'.
There are loads of cute little bbqs you can get now. On legs, good for bbq after bbq and safer. Just expensive enough so that perhaps idiots don't leave them burning and walk off.
Use them, take them home, clean, reuse.
only the thickos (and teenagers who haven’t learnt to cook yet!) And you have to ignore their opinions. Do you also think an Argos full-suss BSO is a perfectly acceptable bicycle? 😀in the UK we seem to have a weird interpretation of it which is blood and charcoal.
To everybody else “having a bbq” really just means cooking a meal outside (probably secondary to socialising!)
exactly, look on Go Outdoors, cheapest is £8! £20-30 for something that actually looks pretty reasonable, or £90 for something which will last a lifetime. No need for disposables at all.There are loads of cute little bbqs you can get now. On legs, good for bbq after bbq and safer.
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People are always being stupid. Sometimes it’s useful to have legislation that takes care of that to some extent. Quicker at least.
Didn't have this problem when we had the death penalty. Just saying.
Were disposable BBQs invented when we had the death penalty?
Im going with a strong no on this.
Yeah, I was kind of on the fence about this, but then the fence burned down!
If you really want a barbie, and cater for vegie/vegan then get one with multiple grills or just a cheap 2nd tripod type BBQ.
I think I have to agree that the £5.99 disposables available at every petrol station and supermarket are just encouraging the problem, as in casual, thoughtless, spur of the moment use.
And they are shit anyway.
When we have veggie friends round for a BBQ we all eat veggie.
I think I have to agree that the £5.99 disposables available
Way cheaper than that usually I think. More like £3 odd I think.
Even when they’re not causing fires they’re causing litter. Disposable BBQs and litter in the countryside are just an obvious manifestation of dickheads cos it’s easier not to take something home that no longer has any value.
Isn’t that what people opposing gun laws often say? 😉
People are always being stupid. Sometimes it’s useful to have legislation that takes care of that to some extent. Quicker at least.
Sure. So control sales rather than banning things outright. Mate of mine is a clay pigeon shooter. My boss lives in the corner of nowhere and routinely hunts dinner. I don't think either of them are overly murdery.
It's coming up to the 5th of November. I love love love fireworks, but I'd cheerfully see the sale of them to the general public require a licence. I looked into getting an explosives licence myself at one point (model rocketry), it's not a difficult thing to obtain and it'd dissuade random idiots from two months of carpet-bombing the area.
When we have veggie friends round for a BBQ we all eat veggie.
Lovely that everyone buys into it but, I'd hate that. I would feel monumentally guilty. I'd rather sit in a corner with a can of Pringles.
I love love love fireworks, but I’d cheerfully see the sale of them to the general public require a licence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-61989897
Lovely that everyone buys into it but, I’d hate that. I would feel monumentally guilty. I’d rather sit in a corner with a can of Pringles.
It's already been alluded to above but a BBQ is more about sitting outside cooking and eating than about what exactly is being eaten. It is no major loss to skip meat for one meal. There are some great veggie options. Some folk just need their eyes opened a bit.
I think the whole meat V's veggie/vegan thing in refernence to BBQ is a bit of a misnomner.
Good food is good food. The problem here is ****s being irresponsible with things that can set fire to other things.
We can't elimminate that, but at least we can stop a bunch of teenagers buying disposables, on a whim whilst they are loading up on energy drinks in thier Corsa at the petrol station.
If they have to put some thought into it and spend £30 on a cheap BBQ and another tenner on charcoal, it might just stave off a lot of the issues we currently have.
And two people arrested for throwing a lit disposable BBQ into woodland...
44 year olds, not dumb kids. Actual adults who very much know exactly the impact it will have.
World of ****s we're living in
Completely ban them.
The worst thing about any BBQ'd food is the invariable burning.
Solution? Wrap all food in foil parcels - separation, sealed flavour, no unwanted burning.
Eveybody's happy - particularly the foil manufacturers.
Burnt food - frequently wrongly described as char-grilled - isn't fit for human consumption; for neanderthals, possibly.
that gets my anger rising and I can’t get it out of my head for ages. (Litter is in the top spot)
We've started to litter pick our local park on every dog walk. It seems to engender an awareness in some that the place is valued as our pickings are becoming more sparse as the weeks progress. Be the change you want to see, as a wiser man than me once said.
Even when they’re not causing fires they’re causing litter. Disposable BBQs and litter in the countryside are just an obvious manifestation of dickheads cos it’s easier not to take something home that no longer has any value.
My local park earlier this week complete with folding chair
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We’ve started to litter pick our local park on every dog walk. It seems to engender an awareness in some that the place is valued as our pickings are becoming more sparse as the weeks progress. Be the change you want to see, as a wiser man than me once said.
@sandwich
I started a thread about doggo litter picking - don't know if you've seen it?
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/spring-clean/
RNP, your efforts could and should be an examplar.
Sandwich - wise words well worth wepeating; sorry, couldn't resist the extended alliteration. Both you and he much wiser than me.
RNP - where are you, the last time I saw grass that colour was on the lawn of Windsor Castle and the pitch at Stamford Bridge
RNP – where are you, the last time I saw grass that colour was on the lawn of Windsor Castle and the pitch at Stamford Bridge
Local park in Rawtenstall - 20 mins North of Manchester in the lush Rossendale valley aka arthritis valley as it's so bloody damp hence why the cotton and paper mills were/are here.
The beach here was mobbed yesterday (relatively, it’s the west of Scotland, it never gets that busy) and on my way past there was a fire engine just arrived to check out the smoking bin fire.
I assume someone had decided to chuck their still burning disposable BBQ into it.
Also after every sunny day the grass is covered in scorched rectangles.
I do a bit of picking up other peoples junk when I’m out with the dog but nothing compared to the team of volunteers that are out all the time clearing up. They do an amazing job.
Everyone knows better or thinks the rules don’t apply to them, we’re all guilty of it to a greater it lesser extent.
Yes that ‘principle’ applies with regards to current global warming and Holocene/Anthropocene extinction events - except these are on barely-imaginable levels of ‘hellish’, not to mention irreversible. And yet (for some reason) we don’t get so upset about that (and think the people who do get upset about it are crazy)
I assume someone had decided to chuck their still burning disposable BBQ into it.
Just as easily a cigarette, always fun when the jenga pile on top lights up 🤢
Brexit Britain innit.
Everyone else and every institution (including emergency services) can be portrayed as 'the establishment' if it holds up an individual from doing exactly what they want, when they want, for more than ten seconds.
I want it all, I want it now and no one is getting in MY way.
Brexit Britain innit.
I'm not convinced that it's even that. We've always been surrounded by selfish arseholes, all brexit really did was shine a light into the cesspit.
My gran used to wax lyrical about how it was "different in her day" and now my generation is still saying the same today, but it's viewing the past though pineapple-ringed spectacles. There has always been ****s, there are ****s today, there were ****s when I was a boy and I have no doubts whatsoever that in my gran's day there were still ****s.
If there is one thing has changed over the years it's that we're so much better these days at going "see that bloke over there? He's a right ****" rather than pretending that it's perfectly normal that yon white-haired bloke with the cigar has master keys to a children's hospital.
She used to tell me how they used to be able to go out and leave the door unlocked, "you couldn't do that these days!" Sure nan, and just yesterday you were telling me that a typical Christmas present was a stick and an orange. What did you have worth burgling, reckon someone's going to break in and steal your stick? You can surely leave your door wide open if your biggest threat is a particularly delinquent Labrador.
Plus ca change.
The way things are being reported you would imagine that disposable barbecues and camping stoves are the only cause of the recent fires. I passed one at the weekend which destroyed a reported five fields worth (although of what I am not sure as they had been harvested and the majority of the straw removed).
This was reported as part of a radio feature on barbecues but the source of the fire looked to be a burnt out van parked in the middle of the first field to catch fire. You could charitably put it down to an engine fault but it looked more likely to be down to someone taking a break in the van with the air-con on and the DPF regenning over bone dry stubble. There are morons out there barbecuing in wildly inappropriate places but they are also getting blamed for the actions of more everyday morons.
There are morons out there barbecuing in wildly inappropriate places but they are also getting blamed for the actions of more everyday morons.
True, but unfortunately as a society, if there is something that is so easily open to abuse, even by a minority, and that abuse can potentially cause loss of life, horrific injuries, loss of property, loss of habitat and cause enormous disruption, then really we need to look at whether removing it from a place of easy access for absolutely all comers is a lesser injustice than the risk of the above.
There are of course people who will take their posh portable bbq to some stupid places, but it's less of a thing than disposables which are much more portable and 'throw-away' by design.
I think disposable bbqs fall into that area where removing them completely is far less of a big deal (especially when there are great alternatives that cost a few pounds more) than continuing with the undeniable problems and danger they create just because we like to think that anyone should be allowed to have anything they want across the board.
Well the piles of rubbish left at the beach where i went for paddle board this morning was horrendous.
Bags and bags of tins, take away detritus, busted inflatable boats, all bagged up and dumped in the car park
Some mear the overflowing bins, which are emptied every couple of hours as its blue flag beach, till 5pm. Some bags obviously dumped where the cars were parked.
I was going to start gathering it together after my paddle but the bin guy beat me to it.
Last week a beach hut owner watched me getting all the rubbish together and helped by pretending i was invisible.
Some people can be proper bellends. Like at Studland where the fire brigade
had a flexi main running along the road, with no parking signs over it.
So the morons threw the signs and parked over the hose the firemen were using to put out a heath fire
Yep, disposable BBQs need to go, ludicrous that they are still around in 2022 given the damage they cause & the single-use aspect. Also, they’re atrocious for cooking on anyway!
The problem is - we live in a world where people leave tents and camping chairs behind as though they are disposable. Ban portable BBQs (presumably to be defined in some legislation as equipment in a ready to light state) and you will just have people spending £10 on some really cheap sheet metal thing (or an old quality street tin with holes in it) and a bag of charcoal. Still start a fire. Still a hazard to people and wildlife when left as litter.
The sale of them is not the problem - if I want to use one in my back garden balanced on a couple of bricks on top of the slabs, why shouldn't I. Yes they are single use - but they have less metal waste than a typical family takeaway so that doesn't really make sense. [Unlike Cougar I am a meat eater, but I recognise his position as we have two coeliacs in the house and trusting others not to contaminate your stuff with their cheap sausages or buns is not the most reliable - at home we have a small BBQ. Elsewhere we may not, especially if impromptu].
However a couple of observations relating to the OP:
1. In Scotland we have the offence of Wreckless Endangerment which roughly translates to being criminally stupid to the extent of risking others. I'd expect this to be used by Police Scotland if someone was having BBQ's (frankly any solid fuel fire/BBQ regardless of whether it was disposable or not) directly on the ground. If we could spare officers to tell people to not to meet a friend outside during covid we can spare officers to tell people to not burn the country down. Like Covid you don't really need to prosecute them all to make an impact.
2. I heard a fire fighter on the radio yesterday having a mini-rant about how could people possibly not know what their advice was yet they had had to go and put out a grass fire started by one. It struck me that I'm a politically aware, news watching person in my 40s and I had briefly seen some requests not to do this and in particular had seen some twitter noise over M&S stopping selling them, and other supermarkets being encouraged to do the same. It felt like the messaging was (a) at shops not consumers (b) in media that would be seem by "responsible older" people rather than specifically targeting the tic-tok generation and instagrammers who are probably most likely to be the BBQ party in a field type! It doesn't mean you are not criminally stupid for not working it out yourself but if fireservice etc want to get messaging out they maybe need to think about who/how they communicate. Millenials and younger don't watch the news or read papers.
