Riding through a local, pretty village, we stopped at a red light (wow yes we actually didn't ride through it). The woman on the bench near to me, takes one last, long drag of her fag and throws it onto the floor next to me. I said "excuse me", I was ignored. Very loudly I shouted "excuse me could you PLEASE put that cigarette out and put it into the bin that's next to you". Absolute stupid, uncaring, inconsiderant, bellend. Good job this wasn't the park down the road. That woman hated me at that moment as many people were passing and staring at her. However why am I the only one brave enough to say anything?
I'm pretty sure that those dreadful Chinese lanterns got banned, so why can't disposable bbq's get banned too?
Millenials and younger don’t watch the news or read papers.
In the main, the places folk are taking BBQs and making fires are approached by road, so road signs can be / are used. Folk still ignore them. Hell, I've seen fires lit no more than 100 metres from a sign saying "High Fire Risk - No Fires/BBQs"
really we need to look at whether removing it from a place of easy access for absolutely all comers is a lesser injustice than the risk of the above.
I admire your optimism. Look what happened when we asked people if they'd mind awfully putting a bit of cloth over their face for a few weeks rather than risk spreading an asymptomatic virus. WHAT NEXT, THE MORTAL SOULD OF MY FIRST-BORN?!
“excuse me could you PLEASE put that cigarette out and put it into the bin that’s next to you”
At the risk of a rash generalisation, and I'm sorry all you considerate smokers of whom I'm sure are legion, but this does seem to be a really common blind-spot. "Finished a cigarette, my work here is done." There's a small pile outside one of the neighbours' front door literally a metre from a roadside drain. Out the back there's another scattering of fag ends suddenly appeared which I'm sure is wholly unrelated to one of the other neighbours having building work done. That's literally where we keep the bins, there's a dozen of them in like a five yard radius. Just... why? It's as though people don't recognise it as litter, it's "only" a cigarette butt.
I’m pretty sure that those dreadful Chinese lanterns got banned
Unfortunately not.
Wales has banned them on all public owned land.
In England quite a few councils have banned them on council owned land.
Scotland is similar to England in that any bans are at the local authority level.
However can still be sold and released on private land even in the most restricted areas.
I expect I’m going to get flamed for this
I see what you did there.
I've seen our moor go up and be on fire for 2 days. Ban the ****** things.
A neighbour lost their back garden last week through a blaze - the lot went poof, it back's onto a main road - one possibility, discarded fag butt. Fire brigade were there pronto, but fence/plants went up, and the lawn.
Probably me getting older and grumpier but there does seem to be a much greater percentage of self entitled ****s than there used to be. Saw it at the beach on Sunday. Carpark full? Well we’ll just abandon our vehicle on a blind bend, on a verge, on double yellows etc. Just go somewhere else or do something else you absolute staggering dickheads.
It’s as though people don’t recognise it as litter, it’s “only” a cigarette butt.
I think people generally don't recognise litter at all, they haven't been trained to do so. I'm trying to train my kids to see household mess (dirty dishes, clothes, food scraps etc) as something that needs to be addressed, but it's not easy.
BBQ-shaped scorch marks on the yellow grass by a reservoir I went past this morning. Batshit-crazy.
had a flexi main running along the road, with no parking signs over it.
So the morons threw the signs and parked over the hose the firemen were using to put out a heath fire
Local farmer and a telehandler, suitable warning signs, cars will be removed with forklift/telehander/thing with grabby attachment.
I’m pretty sure that those dreadful Chinese lanterns got banned, so why can’t disposable bbq’s get banned too?
if they have been banned it doesn't seem to work as I still frequently see posts from farmer types complaining about finding them in fields etc. So either you can order on line anyway so banning just hurts the local retailer or there's instructions how to make one from a tea lights and some garden wire on line? They may be less popular now though - but can you really imagine BBQs becoming less popular? Will people just light open fires?
Probably me getting older and grumpier but there does seem to be a much greater percentage of self entitled **** than there used to be. Saw it at the beach on Sunday. Carpark full? Well we’ll just abandon our vehicle on a blind bend, on a verge, on double yellows etc. Just go somewhere else or do something else you absolute staggering dickheads.
There may be more entitlement but I think it is at least in part perception.
In the 80's I grew up in a street that had not been design with parking in mind. When the fire brigade got called (gosh that was actually much more often than now - I guess smoking and chip pans?) they would approach from opposite ends of the street because they knew nobs would have blocked it with bad parking. When the engine got stuck the crew would get out and bounce the obstructing vehicles out the way - neighbours would come out to help. I remember this 5 or 6 times it was great to watch as child! by the time the first car was bounced other idiots had usually moved theirs but they never learned not to park there. On one occasion the fire brigade came to a fire at about 3am with persons reported. They didn't waste time trying to bounce the car's out the way - they just smashed them out with the fire engine. Within a year those idiots who were crunched were back parking in the same place directly outside their house again. I recall the fire engine being outside our house for a couple of hours (I can't remember why), and the next door neighbour going to shout at the senior officer about the blue lights upsetting her dog!
At the risk of a rash generalisation, and I’m sorry all you considerate smokers of whom I’m sure are legion, but this does seem to be a really common blind-spot
It's an odd one! I've got a couple of mates, who in all other respects are kind and thoughtful and environmentally minded, but invite them round for the evening and although they'll politely go outside to smoke, after they've gone you'll see half a dozen fag butts on the patio floor or windowsill. They just don't see them!
but can you really imagine BBQs becoming less popular? Will people just light open fires?
Making a camp fire takes a bit more effort and thought.
Tossing a match in to a tin tray pre-filled with parafin infused charcoal for £3.99 from your local supermarket, not so much.
I don't think banning disposable BBQs will solve the issue, but I suspect it might go a long way to curbing it.
It’s an odd one! I’ve got a couple of mates, who in all other respects are kind and thoughtful and environmentally minded, but invite them round for the evening and although they’ll politely go outside to smoke, after they’ve gone you’ll see half a dozen fag butts on the patio floor or windowsill. They just don’t see them!
I smoke, but not in the house, in the back garden, and that irritates me too.. had a friend over and they stubbed one out on the wall of the house...
..I almost flipped, I was like..."there's litteraly an ashtray 3 feet away from you, you know the one you litterally just watched me stub mine out in"...
A lady in my roady club got glassed last night on an evening ride.
Chavved up Corsa containing scum threw 2 glasses of liquid, possibly Jagermeister at her. One smashed on the fork and the wheel rotated the glass into her hand.
WTaf is wrong with people . I guess they know they wont get caught. Its funny at the time, if your 17, and stupid. Police probably wont do anything, no video on the bike, no reg number so very low chance of successful prosecutions.
Car culture needs some serious questions asking about the use and regulation of vehicles and drivers.
Car culture needs some serious questions asking about the use and regulation of vehicles and drivers.
I agree.
But asking for routine re-tests, absolutely no excuses for totting up bans, introduction of mandatory bans for incidents involving drivers or cars with multiple issues (e.g. untaxed and no MOT) and a tax system on cars like Denmark has is not a popular view among the car owners of the UK.
There may be more entitlement but I think it is at least in part perception.
In the 80’s I grew up in a street that had not been design with parking in mind. When the fire brigade got called (gosh that was actually much more often than now – I guess smoking and chip pans?) they would approach from opposite ends of the street because they knew nobs would have blocked it with bad parking.
Must’ve been posh near you in the eighties 😀 there were about three cars on our entire street! Probably seems more prevalent now as there are more cars than people.
Car culture needs some serious questions asking about the use and regulation of vehicles and drivers.
Not sure that's anything to do with car culture as opposed to dickhead culture, of which a good many are car drivers.
It's legal to possess air rifle, crossbow, catapult, laser pen (restricted power unless you're naughty and buy unregulated)
Using them on chavs should be totally legal and encouraged.
Chavved up Corsa ... Police probably wont do anything, no video on the bike, no reg number so very low chance of successful prosecutions…
Ideally you get a cop who is as upset about this as people here would be and realises that there is a rather small pool of Corsa’s still on the road; narrow it down by colour and even the vaguest of driver descriptions and I’d almost put money on it that the local road policing team can ID the offender from that. They may not get enough confidence to prosecute - but plenty of drivers say more than they need to when confronted.
Must’ve been posh near you in the eighties 😀 there were about three cars on our entire street!
I believe estate agents would have described it as up and coming! I looked at an advert recently which described it as “a well connected area with unusually affordable housing” which I think is estate agent speak for “no longer up and coming”!
It’s legal to possess air rifle, crossbow, catapult, laser pen (restricted power unless you’re naughty and buy unregulated)
Using them on chavs should be totally legal and encouraged.
It’s exactly that sort of witty comment you get in newspaper comments feeds just swapping chav for cyclist. No need to feed a class war by victimising anyone who doesn’t meet your social expectations.
poly - not a witty comment; more a statement.
Humans have always dropped rubbish and lived surrounded by their own detritus and filth. That's why archaeologists have such rich pickings in caves. The difference is we now have too many people doing it, and too much stuff that doesn't break down. People have to be trained not to be assholes (and even recognise what constitutes asshole behaviour).
I've just moved from South Wales to Calderdale. A few reasons, but one was the apocalyptic, almost geological scale of the littering where I was in Wales - unbearable, and completely outwith the ability of individuals like myself and others to get on top of. It's not as bad here, but on a ride on Monday, the parking area above Lumb Hole Waterfall was a wasteland of sh!te. I'll be going back with a bag and grabber because, well, just because.
But it's hopeless. As a species we've hit a tipping point, that moment in time where the water slowly swirling round the drain suddenly vanishes down the plughole with a gurgling noise.
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My parents (in their middle 80s) live about 1 mile from that blaze. They have always gone out with various neighbours in the evening over the past few years wiith watering cans plus bottles of water and put out still smoldering bbqs and home made fires. I guess they missed this one.
I for one applaud them!
Ideally you get a cop who is as upset about this as people here would be and realises that there is a rather small pool of Corsa’s still on the road;
A nice theory, hampered only by the fact there are tens of thousands of corsas still on the road. They have been in production for a long time and still are…
Agreed
I think a few guys from the club live very close and are going to do a CCTV sweep of the immediate area . Knock on a few doors to see if anyones door camera has picked anything up. Trouble is they will all be greyed out as it was full dark outside . If they can get the locations of traffic cameras this may give the local police a head start and cut down the search time.
That’s why archaeologists have such rich pickings in caves. The difference is we now have too many people doing it, and too much stuff that doesn’t break down.
I think I see a flaw here.
the parking area above Lumb Hole Waterfall was a wasteland of sh!te
It's a popular spot with the kids. I did the same thing you're doing now. It calms down when the weather turns
Oh, I know, been that way many times and never seen it in the state it was Monday. I lived near a similar 'water feature' in Wales, so I know how it goes in hot weather. Even so - this is the generation that's going to save the planet, right? We're ****ed. If I was a doctor I'd be looking at ways of surreptitiously feeding contraceptives to these ****s.
Not sure how it went from fires to Corsas, but all these threads about everything going to hell have a common theme.
I think a certain % have always been scum, that's probably a constant, but the increase in anti-social behavour is probably directly proportional to the decreasing chance of getting caught and held to account due to cutbacks everywhere.
Not just police, but be interested to see stats on reported behaviour vs police numbers.
Not just that. They're more mobile, and social media gives them more pointers as to where to go to export their attitudes. There is no culture of shame attached to antisocial behaviour and, if you object to what you consider to be antisocial, you risk getting assaulted or abused with little protection from the authorities, which I guess ties in with your point about cutbacks.
I know what conclusions I'm coming to, but I'm not posting them up on a public forum!
I wonder how far it really is "people today" and how far it's "the entire country is really bloody dry". I mean, we've just had a couple of pretty wet days here but through a mix of running off and soaking away things are almost back to dry again. Everything's got that slightly french dessicated feeling... So behaviour that we got away with in wetter years, will have much more consequence. And it's really the consequence we notice
I'm right now completely surprised that it's raining. It's been so dry that it just didn't occur to me that rain is a thing that happens in scotland.
I wonder how far it really is “people today” and how far it’s “the entire country is really bloody dry”.
I’m not really sure, but I think there might be an element of “the last couple of years have been really shit, so I’m going to get out and have a picnic with a barbecue, come he’ll or high water!”
“Come hell or high water”
Yes and it’s a modern irony that global warming is (increasingly) causing extreme weather events such as fires and floods.
“Hold on, weren’t the global elite marxist lizardrat medias ‘informing’ us that the planet was supposed to be on fire??? You watch - there will be ‘flood’ warnings next week! 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑 better make your minds up - because until then I don’t believe a word of it. Don’t read the news or go on social media and it will all go away🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑”. /satire
There was a fresh disposable bbq scorch mark up on the hill behind us yesterday and a field on fire the day before not too far away. There are signs on every access path/track telling people not to BBQ, but they still do.
Mackerel have been shoaling the past couple of days, cue hundreds of people catching more mackerel than they/their friends/family are going to be able to eat. Appreciate some may freeze it and use it as bait but seems a bit excessive to me.
Not just disposable bbqs.
Local park to me this morning.
Stuff is too cheap. People are too idiot.
Harold thinks there might be some sausages inside it still!
🤣
Ahh seems the ideal candidate for number plates and a barbecuing licence 🙂
Another 'people are selfish c@@@s!' story.
They're a minority but get all the headlines. And should be named and shamed on their social media accounts as well a sign out outside their house. I'd even lock them up for 24 hours just to shock and embarrass them.
Harold the dog. 😂
