I am of the opinion that when the term pull it was used, it was in reference to the controlled demolition of building no 7 of the world trade center. There are those that say this is in reference to the pulling out of the firemen that were working in building 7.
So is there any evidence that there were explosives in building 7? or that the firemen had already been pulled out and as such didn't need to be pulled out?
To answer the first question http://911research.wtc7.net/
There is also a lot of footage on youtube of firemen saying that there are bombs in the buildings.
Anyone want to look into what the actual police and firemen were saying and if they can find any more evidence of explosives?
woody, there will be plenty of time later to research other things, hopefully I will be involved in that, once we learn how to work together and focus on accomplishing the goals, that the group sets out.
I am of the opinion that when the term pull it was used, it was in reference to the controlled demolition of building no 7 of the world trade center.
A rough rule of thumb should be to reject what you think and believe the opposite
HTH
there will be plenty of time later, once we learn how to work together and focus on accomplishing the goals, that the groups of well intentioned individuals involved decide upon.
will we get to post stuff on youtube as I have always wanted to be a proper scientist - that BsC and the published stuff counts for nothing compared to this exciting opportunity
I am of the opinion that when the term pull it was used, it was in reference to the controlled demolition of building no 7 of the world trade center.
Well you obviously don't know much about the terminology used in Demolition then do you ?
Ok, so ask yourself this......... In the Demoltion industry, what does "Pull it" actually mean ?
And then ponder on why that term would be used, when people are claiming that the building was brought down by a controlled explosion.
As usual, your not making any sense I'm afraid.
there is a new type of pest, the concrete worm, developed by the CIA in a crazy attempt to destabalise the old soviet union,by having massive structural failures in their high rise concrete cities, this was abandoned.
However it may be that some rogue operatives let loose some of these worms in New York, sufficiently weakening a number of buildings, that are then at risk from seemingly small fires etc.
I am of the opinion that when the term pull it was used, it was in reference to the controlled demolition of building no 7 of the world trade center. There are those that say this is in reference to the pulling out of the firemen that were working in building 7.
WHY WILL YOU NOT LISTEN TO THE OBVIOUS TRUTH?
Count Duckula has webbed feet, ideal for getting a good grip in rubble strewn streets. Ask yourself why the authorities didn't allow for the testing for trace levels of broccoli in the ruins after the building was pulled.
Of course, there are those who say that CD is just a patsy for I.G.O.R and N.A.N.N.Y.
kaesae - MemberI am of the opinion that when the term pull it was used, it was in reference to the controlled demolition of building no 7 of the world trade center.
Clearly. But why? Whatever happened to the building, it definately wasn't [i]pulled[/i] down. And you also need to ask exactly how the fire brigade would go about doing it, even if they chose to. The context of the conversation doesn't lend itself at all to pre-planned demolition.
The 911research site is genuinely funny
So we are to believe the FDNY, already massively depleted numbers and equipment, suddenly had the ability to carry out a full scale demolition, something they don't generally train their firefighters in? Well that sounds legit.
Add to that, all the misinformation going around that day and the fact no one could confirm what actually hit the first tower until the world watched the second plane hit, it's not unreasonable to believe that the news may report things as having happened when they may not have, that's generally why they start wit "unconfirmed reports"
Any of these so called documentaries I've watched on you tube just prove to me that people only hear what they want to hear
Quite impressive having the skill to demolish a building that size with the collapse going top down. Rather than the usual blowing of the base. Wouldn't you say?
How deluded do you have to be, to think sitting in your y-fronts in your bedsit reading wacky websites, counts as serious research....
Now there's an image I didn't want
Even Omar Al-Farouq is getting a little frustrated as one of the Al Queda operatives who planned the WTC atrocity.
Upset that after 2 months planning in a cave people don't believe it was Al Queda.
[url=] http://www.theonion.com/video/911-conspiracy-theories-ridiculous-al-qaeda-says,14222/ [/url]
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/who-are-the-most-totally-absolutely-bonkers-fruit-loops-you-know ]http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/who-are-the-most-totally-absolutely-bonkers-fruit-loops-you-know[/url]
I'm a bit confused here, and as most of you seem to know a great deal about it, where has someone said the FDNY 'took down' the building?
There is also a lot of footage on youtube of firemen saying that there are bombs in the buildings.Anyone want to look into what the actual police and firemen were saying
I don't really see how that's relevant. At that point misinformation and rumours are going to be rife, your average beat copper is going to know as much about bombs in buildings as the Slovakian Synchronised Swimming team.
at the moment of the incodent it s safe to say there was a greta deal of confusion on the gorund, panic, fear etc.
It is hardly surprising that there are at the tme reports that later proved to be false
As cougars notes Why would a fireman be an expert in bomb recognition
Given they were inside a burning building what sort of visibility and view do you think they had
As for lots - what % of firemen claimed this it will be a very small percentage hence the vague claim of lots
Lots of folk deny global warming - they are still less than 1 % of scientists who operate in that area/field.
There is also a lot of footage on youtube of firemen saying that there are bombs in the buildings.
There's a lot of footage on YouTube of cats playing pianos.
But I'm not going to be buying tickets to a performance.
How deluded do you have to be to start imagining internet-using folk sitting around in their underwear...
Junkyard and IanMunro have already explained what "Pull It" refers to. It means to pull out the rescue/fire effort.
Does it now, does it really? You see I get where kaesae's coming from. You see it's not widely known, but you find this out via a little internet based serious research (*), that building 7 was the international headquarters of the giant lizard men from outer space and was the base for their primary intergalactic shuttle craft. Made of cellulose or sellotape or silly putty or something. When the building caught fire, the ship was in imminent danger of being discovered, so the earthly representative of the giant lizard men from outer space (D. Icke esq) issued the command to reconfigure the spaceship into a more natural habitat for the giant lizardmen from outer space - a large pool that they could hide until fuss died down, hence the instruction to "pool it". However, doing this using the freaky outer space technology available only to the purple shell suit wearing monsters generates a massive magnetic field which, accidentally turned the largest nearby objects (the twin towers) into giant magnets, attracting several nearby aircraft into them and causing them to crash into the towers.
Evidence - have you seen any ginat lizrdmen from outer space since? Well have you? No. QED my friends, QED.
* best carried out wearing only soiled underpants whilst subsisting off a diet of plain popcorn and living "off the grid" (apart from the internet, and electricity, and tv, and some other stuff).
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has Kaesae done the one about the extra devices attatched to the underside of the planes yet, and that they "go off" before hitting the buildings?
Out of curiosity, has any reasonable evidence been produced to support this 911 truther theory.
Aside from the confused youtube "evidence"
Out of curiosity, has any reasonable evidence been produced to support this 911 truther theory.
Aside from the confused youtube "evidence"
Of course not.
The "heroes" of the conspiracy theory INDUSTRY such as Alex Jones etc. make loads of money out of telling lies to gullible people about stuff.
Those gullible people tell everyone else (that believe in Science, logic, evidence etc) that they are Sheep and can't see the "truth" while Alex Jones makes a fortune out of the "truthers"
It's a perfect scam.
Kael, mate go and ride you bike, develop your component range, step away from this stuff and do something else.
It's not going to be doing your business or yourself any good.
Happy trails! 😀
LoCo makes a very good point
LoCo makes a very good point
As have several people. It doesn't seem to help, though.
I think he'll have more luck here;
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/
Especially the 'Human Race Get Off Your Knees' subsection
I think he'll have more luck here;
[url= http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3097 ]OMG Kurt Cobain was murdered by the CIA![/url]
Look I've done some research.
36% of Americans surveyed, now believe that it was an inside job 😯 considering you just saw how open minded the media is and that they are trying very hard to rubbish these claims and the evidence, that's an interesting fact!
I don't doubt that it will take a long time for most people to wake up to the truth, however if you get bored while this process occurs, why not borrow money from the banks that you can then pay interest on, to bail the banks out of the shit they got you into!
Should give you lot something to do, in the mean time 😉
36% of Americans now believe that it was an inside job considering you just saw how open minded the media is and that they are trying very hard to rubbish these claims and the evidence, that's an interesting fact!
It's amazing that they asked everyone single American and they all answered.
36% of Americans now believe that it was an inside job
how many believe the world was created 7,000 years ago in 7 days?
The national survey of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be
Thirty-six percent of respondents overall said it is "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them "because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East."
No wait they asked only just over 1k and out of that 36% they didn't all say they believed it was an inside job, it includes those that thought they Government knew it may happen. So it could have been 1 who said they thought it was the US Government that did all this or even none.
So that's 360 Americans, not all of which believe it's an inside job and with a 4% error margin. Now I'm pretty sure the American population is a little bigger than 1k.
So who needs to wake up to the truth then?
Wonder how the demographics for the poll work out? Knowing 'Truthers' the poll will have been taken just outside a 'Truther' convention.
Obviously I don't need to prove that, you just need to wake up.
Have to say Kaesey, glad your back. Youre terribly amusing trolling or no trolling
The numbers for that survey aren't so bad- 1000 isn't necessarily a bad statistical sample.
But there's space for a huge range of views in this:
it is "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them
That's a very long way from saying that 36% of people actually think the towers were demolished.
That's a very long way from saying that 36% of people actually think the towers were demolished.
It's not that far in the mind of a true believer.
The UK needs to wake up to the truth, where exactly do you see the UK being in the next 10 years?
Our situation is deteriorating rapidly, everything from rubbish strewn streets to mass civil unrest.
The banks are still out of control and we are yet again being driven into another global conflict.
9/11 was the starting point for this era of mass murder, mass lies and mass useless idiocy and I for one would very much like to see the UK wake up and start working together to sort the shit that the rich and powerful have got us into.
9/11 was an inside job, how is it that so many people believe in the lie? the same reason people walk about not looking where they are going or how people can justify being obese or lying stealing and cheating others, we live in a meticulously created fantasy world. That is all too rapidly coming crashing down!
I don't quite understand why they collapsed WTC7 in such a way that is was obviously deliberte
Because of the information that was held at the WTC complex and the investigations that were on going there.
We look at the situation and see the tragic loss of life, but we fail to see that the amount of information that was destroyed in those building was massive!
37% of STWers questioned expressed anger at the Moderators.
37% of STWers questioned expressed anger at the Moderators.
Citation needed!
😉
im not sure how gravity works but other than down which way could it have fallen?
The UK needs to wake up to the truth, where exactly do you see the UK being in the next 10 years?[b]Our situation is deteriorating rapidly, everything from rubbish strewn streets to mass civil unrest.[/b]
The banks are still out of control and we are yet again being driven into another global conflict.
9/11 was the starting point for this era of mass murder, mass lies and mass useless idiocy and I for one would very much like to see the UK wake up and start working together to sort the shit that the rich and powerful have got us into.
9/11 was an inside job, how is it that so many people believe in the lie? the same reason people walk about not looking where they are going or how people can justify being obese or lying stealing and cheating others, we live in a meticulously created fantasy world. That is all too rapidly coming crashing down!
I shouldn't have clicked on this thread but hey, it's lunchtime.
Kael - seriously? Where is all the unrest and rubbish? Your sense of proportion is all over the place to put it mildly.
Kaesea, You seem to have missed this rather simple question I asked earlier.
An answer would be nice (seeing as you are basing your whole argument about controlled demolition on the topic)
[b]Ok, so ask yourself this......... In the Demoltion industry, what does "Pull it" actually mean ?
And then ponder on why that term would be used, when people are claiming that the building was brought down by a controlled explosion.
As usual, your not making any sense I'm afraid.[/b]
This thread is hilarious 🙂 I'm loving that its called research 'club' is anyone other than kaesae researching? I use the term 'researching' in the loosest possible sense!
Who is kaesae BTW, posts on the previous page seem to suggest that he makes bike components?!
He flogs cheap bearings on fleabay iirc
kaesae , you still got your youtube videos up?
Because I have yet to see any real. convincing, definitive evidence of any sort that shows it to be a lie. There are a lot of 'theories' with holes in them as big as Ground Zero but [u]no[/u] definitive proof.9/11 was an inside job, how is it that so many people believe in the lie?
I think you'll find that started over a century ago with the Boer War.9/11 was the starting point for this era of mass murder, mass lies and mass useless idiocy and I for one would very much like to see the UK wake up and start working together to sort the shit that the rich and powerful have got us into.
Eh? What relevance does that have to building 7?however if you get bored while this process occurs, why not borrow money from the banks that you can then pay interest on, to bail the banks out of the shit they got you into!
I think you're losing your focus and your way a little bit.
@Kaesae, while you answering neilglovers question
Can you answer my question as to what your actually doing about these terrible things (STW aside)
Also, some folk still have unanswered questions about bike frames
I think you're losing your [s]focus and your way a little bit[/s] marbles.
FTFY, Pinky! 😉
9/11 was the starting point for this era of mass murder, mass lies and mass useless idiocy and I for one would very much like to see the UK wake up and start working together to sort the shit that the rich and powerful have got us into.
I think you'll find that started over a century ago with the Boer War.
This.
And as far as I am aware we have not been engaged in "Total War" (not the game series) for quite some time now.
9/11 was the starting point for this era of mass murder
Your right prior to this it had been thousands of years of peace, tolerance and brotherly love- do i need a citation for that?
As for the % I can get a higher percentage who are wrong
46 % believe in creationism- so it is more truer than your view - and even got a You tube link to prove it - I am sure I could get a "researched" one but really I cannot be bothered.
9/11 was an inside job, how is it that so many people believe in the lie?
Not sure, why do you believe this lie?
I bought one of Kaesae's tools off Ebay and its really good!
This thread, however is a bit rubbish.
Who is kaesae BTW
As well as cheap bearings, I believe he also has a sideline in tinfoil hats and all these threads he starts are just a clever marketing play.
I've always found it odd that he'd come on here at all. There has been a degree of customer alienation (in the posts by other forumites at least)
The Ebay business looks like a perfectly viable means of making a living, no doubt the industry connections could allow expansion into general industrial bearings as well. Not sure truthing on STW is helping either 'truth up' the UK or the business.
As for the thread being rubbish, DezB. I implore you to reach into your inner child and see the light. Or not, no biggie really is it.
kaesae - why do you bother with this shite? Its an MTB forum ffs. If you are THAT bored why not use the internet to its best capacity and research some porn?
36% of Americans [b]who responded to a survey of around 1000 individuals out of a population in excess of 311,000,000[/b] now believe that it was an inside job
care to research what percentage of the population was actually sampled?
BigButSlimmerBloke - MemberWho is kaesae BTW
As well as cheap bearings, I believe he also has a sideline in tinfoil hats and all these threads he starts are just a clever [b]marketing play[/b].
Now we're getting at the truth.
Our situation is deteriorating rapidly, everything from rubbish strewn streets
if you don't drop litter and pick up the rest then the problem goes away and you live somewhere nicer
The UK needs to wake up to the truth, where exactly do you see the UK being in the next 10 years?Our situation is deteriorating rapidly, everything from rubbish strewn streets to mass civil unrest.
I reckon we may see a small turn out of the economic mess, not out of it but heading that way.
It's funny as a kid I remember places being messier and certainly as a 70s kid I remember hell of lot more civil unrest and terrorist. attacks.
kaesae - Memberwoody, there will be plenty of time later to research other things, hopefully I will be involved in that, once [b]we[/b] learn how to work together and focus on accomplishing the goals, that the [b]group[/b] sets out.
After 19hrs and 5 pages is anyone stepping inside the circle?
I reckon we may see a small turn out of the economic mess, not out of it but heading that way.It's funny as a kid I remember places being messier and certainly as a 70s kid I remember hell of lot more civil unrest and terrorist. attacks.
Pfftttpphh, trust you to come on and say something sensible.
Purely as a piece of anecdotal evidence. Before I moved to my current location (not the sofa, where I live, again not the sofa) I was advised by numerous people that it was a dive/rough/full of mad heads.
What I actually found was a town of decent, welcoming folk, the streets are clean, the parks are maintained. The city is undergoing large scale development. Not actually seen or heard of any crime in the area (although no doubt it occurs) In summary, quite a nice place to live. Truly excellent Whisky bar 5min walk away (15min back). Bike shop about the same distance. Good Butchers/Greengrocers/Bakery. 10 minutes from some decent hills, and 45 minutes from some truly excellent hills. We have no debts what so ever, inc mortgage.
I'm not saying that the UK isn't about to descend into some Mad Max style anarchy. It's just that my bit of it, and the bits my friends and family occupy seems to be OK right now.
And this is not to say that there aren't some who are really struggling, and certainly not to devalue there struggling. Purely just my little bit.
Because of the information that was held at the WTC complex and the investigations that were on going there.We look at the situation and see the tragic loss of life, but we fail to see that the amount of information that was destroyed in those building was massive!
i know, but why were they so cack-handed as to bring it down in such a way that it was obvious to even the most naive viewer?
Because of the information that was held at the WTC complex and the investigations that were on going there.
You'd think if they had such vital "information" there then they'd have some off-site backups. (i.e. a normal disaster recover plan that any large business should have).
but that would imply that they knew a plane would be crashing into a nearby building, so they deliberately did't have a back up, to try to mislead us.
However, computer scientists are currently trying to recover data from floppy disk found in the rubble. Unfortunately the the slidey back metal bit is a bit bent which makes it hard to get the data off.
Kasea, You've not answered my earlier question yet.
It's in bold on the previous page in case you missed it.
While we are asking questions that you will no doubt refuse to answer.......
[quote=kesae]Because of the information that was held at the WTC complex and the investigations that were on going there.
Go on then. (Exactly) what was this mysterious data, and (Exactly) what were these "investigations" ?
Details please.
So to hide the data they blew up 3 buildings killings thousands and causing multi-billions $ of damage instead of just destroying the data.
You know he's on to something.
citation needed.I bought one of Kaesae's tools off Ebay and [b]its really good![/b]
Linky for kaesae's tools, got a BB bearing puller?
Between this and the lance threads it's a little surprising what beliefs some people cling remarkably hard to
kaesae's gone quiet.. shut down by Mi6..?
So to hide the data they blew up 3 buildings killings thousands and causing multi-billions $ of damage instead of just destroying the data.
I'm sure last week [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/conspiracy-theorysdoes-anyone-believe-them/page/4#post-4234527 ]in the other thread[/url] kaesae said it was all to steal [i]"180 and 300 billion dollars in gold .. from the basement vaults"[/i].
Has our "research" eliminated that one now?
D0NK - MemberI bought one of Kaesae's tools off Ebay and its really good!
citation needed.
Linky for kaesae's tools, got a BB bearing puller?
Between this and the lance threads it's a little surprising what beliefs some people cling remarkably hard to
Lance 'pulled' the buildings to cover up his doping? 😯
Think it's Katec on ebay ?!
it was all to steal "180 and 300 billion dollars in gold .. from the basement vaults".Has our "research" eliminated that one now?
Grham dont knock him at least this time his conclusion is data [ see what I did there] dependent
😀 Not knocking, just wondering if the "research" had actually led to a change of opinion (given that even the YouTube "evidence" suggests there was no where near that much gold)
No I said that 2.3 trillion went missing from the pentagon, as announced by Rumsfeld the day before 9/11.
Then a plane allegedly flew into the Pentagon and hit the area the investigators / accountants were working in, after having descended 7,000 feet in under 3 minutes and done a 360 degree turn. It could have simply flew straight into the pentagon, but the pilot who could not fly a sesna a month before wanted to show off!
Since the individuals who were decorating / restoring the WTC complex with thermite had full access, they also took the gold from the vaults beneath the WTC complex.
Then to wrap the shit up they blamed it on Al Qaeda / Bin Laden and invaded Afghanistan / Iraq.
Once the records from the Pentagon and the WTC were destroyed the Trillions of dollars they had stolen could not be traced.
Now I'm not saying that all of this is true, but it would be very interesting if it turned out to be
http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=15459
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/asbestos.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/11/cancer-new-york-rescuers
I assume that post popped your bubble of optimism Graham 😛
you excel yourself that link says nothing about the claims you post and just says that the guy who bought the WTC had it insured and for terrorism.*
As usual it notes some links but has no actual proof or smoking gun and just gives us some weak circumstantial evidence
TBH i am not even sure what you are trying to prove with that link
* As the buildings next door had been attacked by terrorists it is not hard to see why he may have insured his $3 billion dollar expenditure for this.
This thread. I have no words. 😯
No I said that 2.3 trillion went missing from the pentagon, as announced by Rumsfeld the day before 9/11.
My mistake I thought when you said:
[i]"2.3 trillion dollars vanishes, the next day 9/11 happens and a shit load of computers and hard drives get taken out well thousands of computers and loads of paper records anyway, [b]between 180 and 300 billion dollars in gold goes missing from the basement vaults.[/b]"[/i]
That you were implying that 180 and 300 billion dollars of gold had also gone missing from the basement vaults. Not sure [i]where[/i] I got that from.
Once the records from the Pentagon and the WTC were destroyed the Trillions of dollars they had stolen could not be traced.
Do you actually have evidence that this is the case? For example a follow up news reports with Donald Rumsfeld or Senator Byrd saying [i]"Yeah, see that 2.3 trillion dollars of transactions that auditors found we had no proper accounts for*, well turns out all the receipts were in a box in the World Trade Centre. With no other records. Or backups. Sorry about that."[/i]?
Because that would really strengthen that case somewhat. Right now I see some boring talks about some poor accounting (or possibly even clever accounting concealing black op spending) but I don't see how that all conveniently goes away after 9/11.
(* note: this is slightly different from "vanished")
Then a plane allegedly flew into the Pentagon
One thing I always wonder about the "no plane theory": what happened to the actual plane and the 59 passengers and crew? What was the plane-like thing followed on radar and seen by eye witnesses? And how did "they" manage to convince the passengers to make last phone calls to their families etc saying they were in a hijacked plane?