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IMO from a cost point of view.
- If buying new then get a hybrid.
- If leasing or PCP then get an EV
- If buying used then get a diesel or petrol
Just before lock down £600 would get you in a new Porsche 911. £400 would get a very very nice premium BMW / Audi / Merc
Evidence please as not my actual experience of us both buying cars in 2018, one brand new and the other 6 months old on PCP's.
Just before lock down £600 would get you in a new Porsche 911
no it wouldnt, not without an enormous up front payment anyway....
Any logic to those opinions, didnthurt ? 😉
Two and three-year old EVs are very attractively priced in my part of the world.
When looking at lifetime running costs the non-plug-in hybrids are the worst of all worlds. They are not escpecially cheap to buy, fuel or service. Long term they are complicated with everything to go wrong and recycle of both EV and ICE, and then some. Plug-in hybrids make some sense for those with a commute they can do on the battery, but in the real world studies say most people don't plug them in and if you don't they are very thristy.
https://theicct.org/publication/real-world-phev-use-jun22/
They're heavy, nearly as heavy as an EV, for example the Peugeot 308:
EV 1684kg
Plug-in hybrid 1598-1633kg
Petrol 1258-1291kg.
For things like overnight stay at parents away from EV charging infrastructure , the Granny cable is perfect. Mine lives permanently in the Frunk for emergency use. Overnighting at a chateaux coming back from the Alps last year I plugged it into the owners garage and in the 16 hours we spent there got a full charge.
When looking at lifetime running costs the non-plug-in hybrids are the worst of all worlds. They are not escpecially cheap to buy, fuel or service.
They are if your local journeys are done with electricity.
in the real world studies say most people don’t plug them in
Right, but we are not talking about averages here, we are talking about the OP's specific use case. Whether or not they plug in is not affected by what the rest of the population does.
if you don’t they are very thristy.
I don't think this is universally the case either. Some notable examples are.
Yeah. thanks Molgrips as I appreciate you're not invested in PHEV but it's important that arguments are balanced.
I've owned one for about 5 years and recall with horror on one hand the times I have forgotten to charge it. It has an increasingly niche use case as full EV cars become more and more prevalant but if a PHEV meets someone's use case it shouldn't be discounted. Ours has enabled us to go down to a single car which has been invaluable savings wise.
I'd just say the Op needs to be careful if they go this route that their needs don't change as 40 MPG max on ICE (2015 Outlander) isn't much fun when on EV I get about 4 or 5 miles per KW.
It's as if I didn't write this:
Plug-in hybrids make some sense for those with a commute they can do on the battery
😉
🙂 and yourself Edukator sorrt. I did see this.
Ours has enabled us to go down to a single car which has been invaluable savings wise.
Yeah I could go to a single car with a PHEV more cheaply, since it could tow all day but still do the commute on electricity - but only if it had a decent reliable 30 mile range, and many don't.
2015 Outlander
I think this is the famously thirsty one and the one most people are thinking of. I could go for a C-class plug-in hybrid with its real world 50 mile range though...
Yup, it is pretty thirsty. A good run on petrol only would be 40 MPG. The range in 2018 was 30 miles summer, 20 miles winter on 7.5Kw usable. It's now 22 miles summer, 15 miles winter on 5.3kw usable.
It wouldn't be what I'd buy now but 5 years back it was literally the only thing on the market that ticked all the boxes so I don't regret it.
Girlfriend has just recieved a brand new Toyota Yaris self charging hybrid. She's getting about 62mpg at the moment, but the car has done less than 600 miles. She only does small journeys commuting to work, gym etc.
Its a nice car, drives well, quiet and with a decent infotainment system. I'm quite impressed by it. Its not nippy, but it just feels like a well made car. Price wise, I don't really know whats good or bad, but her's cost £23k.
I've just ordered my first electric car, Q4 eTron. I haven't decided if I'm going to get rid of my ICE yet (Cupra Leon). I really like my petrol cars, as the Q4 is on salary sacrifice lease I'm stuck with it for 3 years.....so I'm going to see if I can cope entirely with driving just the eTron for a few months - if so the Cupra goes.
This is a no brainer.
Buy an ICE car, and preferably a petrol. Diesel will be the first to be taxed off the road when the time comes and given your mileage you won't really get the MPG benefit since Diesel now costs so much more to buy (plus the higher cost of the car itself). Hybrid will become a transition phase that is outdated by the time you come to sell, and has all the drawbacks of an EV (new tech, range limitation, unproven longevity etc), plus you are carrying around extra weight. Take a look at London road pricing (which is probably the model that most UK cities will transition to eventually). Hybrids are now treated like ICEs in terms of exemption from payment (which is to say none at all!).
EV used prices are totally unknown and untested. As technology improves and range increases and batteries on existing cars start to deteriorate in the 6 year + horizon, buying a used EV is just too big a risk. Throw in the macro-economic stuff (rising interest rates, inflation, lots of people exiting PCPs and fixed term mortgages having their finances squeezed) and the financial pain and uncertainty caused by the last 2 years of macro-economic turmoil hasn't really even started to impact ordinary folk.
For £15k you will also get a nicer ICE than EV.
I recently sold my petrol Mercedes E Class, banked the money and leased an EV (BMW iX3) through a salary sacrifice scheme. Financially that made sense since the money is now appreciating interest rather than being invested in something that will depreciate, and the salary sacrifice with on deposit made sense (but only just once you factored in petrol, insurance, tax etc). It was a tight run thing and I have basically taken an informed risk. In many respects I regret not owning an ICE car and therefore being in control of what I do in the future, particularly since the ban on new ICEs has been pushed back by 5 years. My decision to opt for an EV was also based firmly on keeping an ICE car on the driveway too. We recently drove 1800 mile round trip to go skiing in the Alps and it would be unimaginable to do that journey in the EV (would have meant stopping to charge 4 times each way). We took my wife's diesel.
Standard financial advice has been 'if it appreciates, buy it, if it depreciates, rent it', and I think that still applies. However, given the uncertainty that you and about 2 million people are currently experiencing about what happens when you exit a PCP, you are probably better off right now owning an asset that has already depreciated and puts you firmly in the decision making seat without the time pressure of a PCP ending, or the uncertainty around car prices.
In short, buy a decent ICE car, keep it until you want to and don't become too dependent on things you can't control or predict. It will be cheaper and greener in the long run to keep that car going than buy something new.
Bangernomics-wise the Vauxhall Ampera is worth a look - 10Kwh battery PHEV with about 50 miles range in summer and 30 miles in winter, and a good economical engine when run on petrol. Used examples are about 10 years old (+/- 1 yr) and go for about £6k (+/- £1k).
Or will I save so much in fuel costs we can just go abroad?
And don't think that charging an EV is very much cheaper than filling a car with fuel these days given electricity prices.
My 80kw battery costs £24 to charge and lasts 200 miles (on a good day when it isn't cold, I don't have the lights or radio on and I don't drive on motorways). Our diesel costs £65 to fill up and does 540 miles. There isn't much in it.
Because we live in the sticks we can't get signal for a smart meter. If we had a smart meter the EV would only cost £8, so then it does make more sense.
And don’t think that charging an EV is very much cheaper than filling a car with fuel these days given electricity prices.
It very much is, provided you have a home charger and a smart meter. My diesel miles cost ten times as much as my EV miles. That's huge. The saving alone pays half my car loan.
You are assuming that everybody has a charger at home, a smart meter and never needs to charge outside the home at a super charger. The economics look very different if that isn't the case, and it applies to plenty of people right now. Access to charging is far from universal right now and the rate of improvement is behind schedule, which was already behind the actual requirement.
You are assuming that everybody has a charger at home
No, I specifically said IF you have a charger at home.
No, I specifically said IFyou have a charger at home.
Fair enough. Lots of people don't, and the cost of installing a home charger is fairly chunky which also needs to be taken into account. Plenty of new car deals include one, but since the OP is considering used then it could be £500-£1000. Once it is done of course, you have it for life, but it's still quite an outlay initially.
I am 2 months into EV ownership and I am not a convert. On balance I would have waited and that is purely down to range anxiety. The technology just isn't good enough just yet to provide the kind of car usage experience that we have all come to enjoy from ICEs. It is the first car that I have ever owned which is appreciably worse than its immediate predecessor taken as a whole in terms of using it on a daily basis. I get the financial and environmental payback, but for me it isn't worth the real world compromise in terms of carefree motoring. I think it largely depends on your motoring needs. Around town and short journeys it is good. At motorway speeds it is less compelling.
It is the first car that I have ever owned which is appreciably worse than its immediate predecessor taken as a whole in terms of using it on a daily basis
what did you have and what have you now got ?
Lease prices are weird. I want an Ioniq 6, but it’s about £600 to lease. Another option, the Nissan Ariya which is similarly priced new can be had for around £400.
I know the world changes and all that, but the prices people are prepared to pay for cars these days is nuts.Just before lock down £600 would get you in a new Porsche 911. £400 would get a very very nice premium BMW / Audi / Merc
I just cant bring myself to pay this type of money for shit box cars. Neither have I had the salary increase for it either !
Back when I was driving for BCA I had a conversation with a guy who worked at the small dealership where I’d gone to pick up the boss’s car. I’d mentioned I’d taken a Merc C63 AMG up to Bridgewater BCA, and he said he’d leased one for a couple of years, just to ‘scratch the itch’. When he handed it back, he’d spent £10k, and had nothing to show for it! The costs included £485-ish/month lease (I can’t remember the exact amount), three sets of tyres at £1k/tyre, fuel at 17mpg, and a £650 fine for speeding on the M5 heading back to Saltash. He passed the cop car as it was heading down onto the motorway, saw the blue and yellow and started braking, but although they couldn’t get a lock on him, they had video, and advised him to accept a fine and points for 99mph, ‘cos nobody seeing the footage would believe for a second he was only doing 70!
That was a few years back. Those sort of costs made me wince; even higher lease costs would be prohibitively high for me to ever consider an EV, and £40-50k to buy, well, I’d never buy one, simply because of long-term issues with battery life.
When I bought my Ford, it had 3300 miles on the clock, 19-plate, it’s now on 28,600 miles, and my mileage had dropped off a cliff since retiring, and it was my intention for it to be the last car I ever buy. I think I’ve made the right choice.
what did you have and what have you now got ?
Had 2021 Mercedes E Class Estate. Now 2023 BMW iX3.
List price, the BMW is £20k more than the Merc.
More expensive, worse range, worse build quality, less classy, smaller. What's not to love?
There's the real risk of a big EV backlash at the moment based on the massive insurance and repair costs - if that 'story' gets rolling within the general public it could stall things badly.
The smallest accident runs the risk of writing off the car - battery packs are not being built to be economically repairable, or even repairable, and there have been several cases (mostly in the US) where people have been quoted a larger sum than the original car for a battery replacement (Tesla actually seem to be more reasonable than some others). A couple of cases of $55k Hyundia Ionic 5 being quoted $60k for a new battery.
Often this damage might be small - a Porsche with a 3mm gash in underside of the battery case - £50k new battery please because the cooling tubes are damaged.
Those sort of prices will kill the second hand market and lead to a lot of written off cars, killing any possible green gains.
Had 2021 Mercedes E Class Estate. Now 2023 BMW iX3.
thanks, haven't driven either but have been a passenger in an E Class a few times. I went from an Audi Q5 to a BMW i4 and think my experience is the polar opposite of yours ! My Audi was on a 4 yr PCP, the BMW is on a 4 yr salary sacrifice lease. I am net better off by about £100 a month now, driving around in a fully financed carefree car that costs me under £2 per 100 miles to drive about.
Only downside is it's not so easy get a bike in the back, though does go in fine with front wheel off, but I specced a retractable towbar and use a towbar rack if it's more than just me in the car.
What’s not to love?
Well, to your point, it is a lot cheaper and I have some cash in the bank for a rainy day, or when I decide to get back into an ICE again!
Back to the OP's point though, with £15k to spend on a purchase, the financial benefits just aren't there. Most of the benefit to me comes from the salary sacrifice element and the 'all-in' cost of insurance, home charger etc. As an outright purchase of a used car, I just don't think an EV stacks up just yet, and the bangernomics principle may never apply to EVs (BTW I do appreciate and I am not insinuating that £15k is bangernomics territory - it is still a significant chunk of change). I still have a 30 year old Land Rover 90 that I can keep chugging along with a hammer, and adjustable wrench and some oily rags. Good luck still keeping my iX3 on the road in 2054! It will be on its 4th battery pack by then and you will need a degree in electronics to convince it to start.
Given the OP's position, I stand by this being a no brainer in favour of an ICE petrol car, but do appreciate that different budgets and purchasing options might give a different result.
with £15k to spend on a purchase, the financial benefits just aren’t there.
He has a drive, so he can have a charger installed - so yes, they definitely are.
I would be very happy with a £15k EV, I could get an Ioniq EV Premium SE for that. The OP has already said he wants a higher car so that's fine, there might not be many options that suit - but you can't say that there are no benefits just because there aren't any benefits for you.
The smallest accident runs the risk of writing off the car – battery packs are not being built to be economically repairable, or even repairable
I'm not convinced by that, but it does seem to be the case that insurers are wary of them. I think there aren't enough garages with the skills to assess and deal with EVs.
List price, the BMW is £20k more than the Merc.
Eh?
A charger will potentially run to £500-£1000, so a decent chunk of the overall budget.
Assuming you never need to charge outside the home and you have a smart charger, the installation cost will repay itself fairly quickly, but it is another cost to factor in.
Plus I still maintain that £15k will buy you a nicer ICE than EV that will be more repairable, cheaper to insure etc. We are still some way off ICEs being priced off the road, so for a 3-5 purchase it still makes sense.
you need to be able to charge at home and be using one of the cheap ev electric tariffs for an ev to make sense, If you're relying primarily on public chargers (or even just paying standard electric tariffs per KWH at home) then an ev is a worse proposition than petrol/diesel right now IMO.
In november we bought a used EV to replace a diesel tiguan , it was a toss up between buying a used PHEV toyota rav 4 , or a used merc EQC, both the same price for the same aged car with similar mileage, but the rav 4 would have cost more per mile in fuel, more per year in VED (~£570), and more per year in insurance (~£500 more) ,more in servicing, it also would have been slower, less nice inside, noisier, and less nice to drive. It would however be able to do 300 miles between fills, and those fills would take 5 minutes, versus 200 miles and 40 minutes in the merc
List price, the BMW is £20k more than the Merc.
BMW lists at £68k, and good luck getting a discount on that (even if you are prepared to wait 6 months to get one). Bonkers!
Merc lists at £48k, but actually cost me £32k with 13 miles on the clock as a pre-reg. So, you are right, my maths were a little bit out. The actual difference is closer to £36k!
This is the first car we have ever leased. I usually buy outright, but the economics just don't work on EV's. £68k for the iX3 for what you get is insane. It only really works as a lease where somebody else takes the risk of depreciation, you never actually pay anything like £68k and through a salary sacrifice scheme with 0% deposit and the ability to hand the keys back whenever you want.
The whole economic model of car ownership is changing fast. Next stop in terms of charging and personal transport will be something altogether different as the concept of everybody owning a car that sits unused for more than 90% of the time is madness really, regardless of how it is powered.
All interesting stuff, but not the OP's dilemma. As I said - petrol ICE for the win!
BMW lists at £68k
Oh you are talking about the i4? Yeah they are pricey. I thought you meant the i3.
Assuming you never need to charge outside the home
You can still charge at home MOST of the time even if you make the occasional long trip, like most people do. One charge away from home doesn't negate all the savings you make the rest of the time.
The economics can stack up for used cars. As I've said before, we pay £160/m on a loan and save £80/mo on fuel. We'd have got a similar level of car for the price we paid if we'd gone petrol, but the fuel would be costing 10x more. So for us, no brainer in favour of EV.
The OP needs to do their own calculations, not listen to solarider who seems to have condemned the entire concept of electric motoring on the basis of his specific situation with two cars 🙂
The OP needs to do their own calculations, not listen to solarider who seems to have condemned the entire concept of electric motoring on the basis of his specific situation with two cars
To be fair, I was offering advice on the OP's situation in an entirely non pejorative way, and in response to him starting a thread on an internet forum requesting said advice. If he really wanted to just base his decision on his own opinion, you are right he should just do his own calculations. But since he asked.....
Any input welcomed. Ta.
The beauty of the internet is that he will now get a whole range of opinions. Some useful (yours) and some less so (mine), but he now has a wealth of conflicting and diverse real world experiences to merge with his own calculations, just as he asked.
Mission accomplished I would say, and I am sure he will continue to be enlightened even more as more people add their thoughts based on their own experiences. That's the way these forums work isn't it? Somebody asks for an opinion, we all share diverse and equally valid opinions and they form a better view but ultimately make their own decision in the end.
BTW, it's an iX3. You can definitely trust that I know what's sat on the driveway and it ain't an i3 or an i4, and having painstakingly done the calculations myself, I can tell you without fear of contradiction that the benefit is borderline (in my case).
Have you got kids, Solarider? They'll thank you for going EV as every ICE not sold is good for their health now and the future they'll live in.
The second-hand market is transparent, check out any second-hand site. There's a supply at what localy are attractive prices.
Your pessimism about battery life in either years or miles isn't based on user experience. Sure 10 years back some cars that had high charge rates compared with battery capacity and poor cooling systems suffered rapid capacity loss, notably the early Leafs, but there are lots of ten-year-old Zoés and Teslas which with lower charge rates and better cooling are still on their original batteries.
Your high speed return to the Alps probably left your tired and inattentive at some points(bin there done that), I find that long trips in the EV take longer but are safer and more relaxing - I just allow more time and enjoy the breaks. More people kill themselves driving to ski resorts than on the pistes - they'd do better wearing a bobble hat on the slopes and their ski helmet in the car. As someone who lives in a ski resort some of the year I can confidently say that skiers are more likely to be road hogs with bad driving habits than the population in general. The gendarmes know this too and amuse themselves collecting cars more than 30kmh over the limit in the local valley. BMW ix3 drivers conform to the sterotype and then some. Your posting style speaks volumes. 🙂
My insurance isn't any more expensive than the equivalent ICE, it's a Zoé 50, it's not stupip quick. However most EVs are indecently quick and drivers crash them about 10% more than average according to some reports I've seen. I'd like to see a breakdown of accident stats with comparisons with ICEs of equivalent performance because you can't compare Volvos and Ferraris but Volvos now have Ferrari performance.
Given how little it takes to write of an ICE car these days I really don't see EVs being much different.
Anyhow, given the EVs the OP is considering his drving style and needs are unlikely to have anything in common with yours, Solarider. 😉
Wowsers. So many ill informed pejorative statements!
Have you got kids, Solarider? They’ll thank you for going EV as every ICE not sold is good for their health now and the future they’ll live in.
That’s precisely why we went EV. Doesn’t mean that in every other respect of running an EV it has to be better than an ICE. In my experience it isn’t. The OP wasn’t asking about the ethics or environmental position of owning an EV. He was asking about owning and running one and the total breadth of the decision of whether to go EV or ICE in 2024 given his particular set of circumstances.
Your pessimism about battery life in either years or miles isn’t based on user experience.
Isn’t it? The existing generation of batteries degrade over time. That’s an inescapable fact. Their ability to hold charge diminishes over time. We have friends and family with 10 year old hybrids and EVs (Prius, Leaf) and the batteries have significantly diminished.
Your high speed return to the Alps probably left your tired and inattentive at some points
You are correct. That’s why we broke the journey with an overnight stay in Dijon and regular stops along the way. The stops were timed around fatigue and my need for a break. They lasted as long as we needed. They were not forced on us by the need to charge the EV and their duration was not dictated by the speed of charging which they would have been otherwise.
BMW ix3 drivers conform to the sterotype and then some. Your posting style speaks volumes. 🙂
Your ability to judge my driving style based purely on my vehicle choice is incredible, not only for its insight but for its judgemental lunacy and ability to cause ill informed offence. Well done you.
Anyhow, given the EVs the OP is considering his drving style and needs are unlikely to have anything in common with yours, Solarider. 😉
I am genuinely interested in how you are able to make judgements about my driving style?! Since owning an EV, the very real range anxiety has transformed my driving style. I don’t enjoy the rapid acceleration and too find it unnecessary in a family car. I drive everywhere in eco mode to prolong range. As a motorcycle rider my awareness and courtesy to other road users is pretty high. If you want to make B-road sweeping statements, what is your view on motorcyclists as car drivers? The general view (which is not to say that all are saints) is that they make pretty good ones but that piece of your puzzle is missing. Even ignoring the circumstantial evidence, I can assure you that I am capable behind the wheel which is not to say fast and aggressive. Fear not, you are safe sharing the roads with me, but even if I was the worst driver in the country, it wouldn’t change or invalidate my views on EV ownership.
Your response is sadly typical of the deterioration of some threads. Absolutely no comment relating to the OPs original question, but plenty of ill informed judgment of another user based on nothing but your self inflated opinion. Have you anything to offer the OP that he might find useful?
I came here to express an alternative opinion to the herd based on my experience. Perfectly valid to do so. I have chosen an EV and since the OP asked I have given my perspective on ownership. Since it differs from that of a few other users you have chosen to lower the tone and I have chosen to defend my position. Nobody has been quite as comically misjudged or off topic as you however so well done sir.
18k ev will just get you a jaguar I pace. Lot of car for the money
If you’re considering ICE have you considered a Mazda CX 30 with the Skyactiv X petrol?
I have a 3 with the same engine.
I get mid 40s mpg and 50 on a run. With the cost of petrol now I’m almost on leith on fuel costs with the diesels I had before.
They are lovely to drive too , refined, classy interior and you get a great spec for the money plus greater reliability than the VAG alternatives.
They aren’t the roomiest but I think you said you were looking for a compact SUV?
I considered EV but I don’t have access to home charging and do 20k miles a year ,often to different sites everyday so didn’t feel ready to make the transition to EV just yet.
Because we live in the sticks we can’t get signal for a smart meter. If we had a smart meter the EV would only cost £8, so then it does make more sense.
When you say "can't get a signal" what do you mean - doesn't it connect into your WiFi, or is it looking for a Mobile signal?
If the latter, can't you enable mobile-calling on your WiFi?
Got to say I'm glad I'm not having to make the change at the moment, just carry on with my current car (as it's only 5 years old and a top-spec BMW - luckily Covid means the mileage is only 70k as I use to do +20k pa).
Solarider - why did you swap from the Merc to the BMW if the Merc was only a couple of years old?
Sadly they aren’t permitted to use the Wi-Fi. Next week will be Ovo’s 6th attempt to commission the Meyer.
You did see the two smilies didn't you, Solarider? If I turned up at my MTB club dressed as a 60s hippy I'd expect to get teased, drive some cars and expect to get gently ribbed. I assume your last post is mock outrage, it made me smile anyhow with its volumes of pot, kettle, black. Check out your previous posts on the thread for your own posting style and attitude to other users. I have never seen any other STWer post the make or model of their car in bold.
Check out my EV thread, if you read it from start to finish I think you''ll find I'm quite well informed.
Your when as opposed to if in bold tells you've decided that EVs aren't for you and you've decided to rubbish them on this thread along with anyone who provides counter arguments.
There's a world of anti-Ev propaganda on the Net that the OP is no doubt aware of, an EV owner who hasn't even tried to drive to the Alps in one saying it's a pain isn't helpful. I've driven from SW France to Poland in an EV with a lower ranger and slower charging than yours, it was a pleasure; I'd have taken much less pleasure in an ICE with the higher environmental cost nagging at my concience. Now that you add that you stopped in Dijon on the way to the Alps I'm even more surprised you find EV charging time a problem. When I've skied in the Alps (a similar distance from here) we've done the trip overnight after work (changing driver every hour or two) then had couple of hours sleep in the car in the underground car park before the lifts open.
Perhaps you don't realise how provocative your posting is. Huge volumes of anti-EV propaganda started with "this is a no brainer". Like anything it requires thought.
Any logic to those opinions, didnthurt ?
If buying new then get a hybrid.
Just think it's the middle ground between ICE and EV, just a safer bet for resale cost.
If leasing or PCP then get an EV
If there is an issue with the car then it's not yours, again it's a risk aversion thing. Plus decent deals on EV cars.
If buying used then get a diesel or petrol
Cheapest option and older EV cars batteries weren't the biggest so depreciating ranges isn't very good. Not a huge amount of decent condition second hand hybrids about but would consider this if the right car came up.
After spending 20,000 miles in an MG5 over the last 5 months, I wouldn't spend my money on one.
Yesterday I pulled up to a bank of six high powered DC chargers and I was the 9nly person there. The car never drew more than 34kW and that was at 50% soc.
The range isn't great but what really hurts it is poor charging speed.
Main dealers have a reputation for being disinterested and part availability makes it difficult for other places to do it.
And why does at EV need a 15000 mile service interval?
If buying new then get a hybrid.
Just think it’s the middle ground between ICE and EV, just a safer bet for resale cost.
If leasing or PCP then get an EV
think ever case is different though. We have got 2 new cars in the past 6 months, for me, a lease i4 through salary sacrifice, for my wife a brand new Audi A1 petrol on PCP. The A1 will work out similar cost over the 3 yr pcp to a small smart EV, but it works better for us having one EV and one ICE, with one home charger and the types of driving we both do....and my wife still prefers a manual gearbox...
Sadly they aren’t permitted to use the Wi-Fi. Next week will be Ovo’s 6th attempt to commission the Meyer.
So it's looking for a mobile signal?
Any specific provider?
And why does at EV need a 15000 mile service interval?
Because otherwise folk would never bring it in for anything and then complain 3-5 years down the line when they've ignored a problem and blame the dealer/manufacturer. Probably better if they had an annual check for the first two years to ensure no 'surprises' when the MOT is due.
My OH has a Kia, that has annual services, so does my Mum's Toyota.
My BMW though is on the 'clock'.