Well after last night's debate, the cameras picking up Truss's reaction and this morning's papers - she must be even more of a shoe in.
Showing a flicker of concern for someone falling ill is now the gold standard for our elected officials.
Might be a disqualifying trait for some Conservative Party members, though. I mean, looking after people is socialism, isn't it?
It is certainly on the slippery slope towards socialism.
Although apparently Sunak is already a socialist according to some 'ask this **** on the street what they think' interviews I saw yesterday.
They may want to read what he has written about over the years to see that is far from the truth but guess they won't be doing that.
‘ask this **** on the street what they think’
They never tell you the sample size of the interviews. Only try and “balance” the comments. If you were to balance them by the number of responses of each side, everyone would agree and few would be extreme. This not meet the producer’s pre-existing bias.
I used to enjoy watching the running commentary on the BBC regarding Berlusconi’s bunga bunga parties and other shenanigans – whilst thinking i’m glad it wasn’t our taxes paying for this..
The rest of Europe are now doing the same.
I worked a lot on Italy during this period, the Italians I worked with were intensely embarrassed by him - a bit like how I would've been for the last 2-3 years if I still did that job...
Wasn’t Truss on the naughty list that’s often circulated as yet another senior female Tory who fell for Kwasi Kwarteng’s charm?
She did have an affair with an MP, before she became one - so wouldn't be a surprise if she'd had more, based on folk I know who've had them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Truss
Under David Cameron as Conservative leader, Truss was added to the party's 'A List'.[33] In October 2009, she was selected for the South West Norfolk seat by members of the constituency Conservative Association. She won over 50% of the vote in the first round of the final against five other candidates.[35][36] Shortly after her selection, some members of the constituency association objected to Truss's selection, due to her failing to declare a prior affair with married Conservative MP Mark Field.[37] A motion was proposed to terminate Truss's candidature, but this was defeated by 132 votes to 37 at a general meeting of the association's members three weeks later.
I don't think there could be a starker example of how detached the Tory party is from the real world than this pair of clowns fiddling while Rome burns. The self-indulgence of these 'born to rule' ****s is utterly obscene.
They've barely mentioned the cost of living and have pretty much zero proposals of how to deal with it. And why should they? Its not like they or their rich friends will be impacted, is it?
But on the day Truss is anointed in September the price cap hits again. Peoples heating bills are going to go through the roof yet again.
There was someone on Radio 4 the other morning telling the stark truth about how this will play ou in reality...
As well as food banks, voluntary organisations and local councils are now looking at providing 'warm spaces'. Somewhere heated for the (probably working) poor to go to keep warm this winter because they will no longer be able to afford any heating in their homes
Against that looming backdrop, and the reality of people freezing to death, this pair of morons spending the entire summer bickering about tax cuts isn't going to play out well
They’ve barely mentioned the cost of living and have pretty much zero proposals of how to deal with it.
In theory they were supposed to be talking more about it last night and some of those tax breaks being talked about are on energy bills.
Although even then you can see a switch in audience from Sunaks previous position of targeted money (however dubiously setup)for the poor to a general vat cut on energy which would be more likely to benefit tory members.
They may have been meant to talk about it last night, but they'd prioritised telling everyone how they were going to ship refugees to Rwanda instead
Thats the priority for them
Says it all
local councils are now looking at providing ‘warm spaces’. Somewhere heated for the (probably working) poor to go to keep warm this winter
Bring back the workhouse! That's got to be a sure-fire winner for the vote, can't believe Liz hasn't been photographed laying the foundation stone on the first one yet.
Says it all
Do you think they chose the question order?
Whilst there is plenty to attack them on might as well stick to that without inventing new stuff.
Bring back the workhouse!
LOL, if they do they'll be gone faster than you can say "class envy". the daily fail headline of "undeserving poor get warm for free, while the hard working middle class freeze!" will see to that (one of the reasons workhouses were closed is the victorian and edwardian middle classes begrudged the free health care and education the residents received, not because of how dreadful they were).
Do you think they chose the question order?
Whilst there is plenty to attack them on might as well stick to that without inventing new stuff.
This goes beyond these farcical TV 'debates'
They set their own priorities
Clearly sending refugees to Rwanda is a more pressing issue than poor people freezing to death this winter.
Maybe that's just reflecting the views and priorities of the average Tory member? They clearly think so
Maybe that’s just reflecting the views and priorities of the average Tory member? They clearly think so
This.
They're not campaigning to the electorate at large (although, lord knows the electorate at large has taken a nasty turn over the last few years), they are campaigning to a self-selecting bunch.
I don't think it is a stretch to suggest that this self-selecting bunch's views on refugees and/or poorer people are somewhat unsympathetic.
They are playing to the audience they need to play to right now - that is all. It is up to the electorate at large to punish the extreme stuff they come out with now. Unfortunately a particular event back in 2016 showed them that the electorate at large also held some views that had been largely kept in check up until then - politicians are now a lot less reticent about saying things that (rightly) would have been called a disgrace 15-20 years ago.
<Shrugs>
Well after last night’s debate, the cameras picking up Truss’s reaction and this morning’s papers – she must be even more of a shoe in.
You think that was the response of someone with compassion or leadership in a crisis? That was the look of "OMG what am I *supposed* to do now". She looks to the side either hoping someone else is going to leap to McCann's aid or is going to tell her what to do. We didn't see what Sunak did - I expect it was similar. The only saving grace is that 90% of the public would do exactly the same - but I think we aren't looking for a PM to like one of us, we want a PM who has instinct, takes control, and is calm in a crisis. Unexpected and quite alarming things will happen to them throughout their tenure as PM. Some of those will be in front of the cameras.
I thought she had the look of someone who's dog had plopped on the floor in her friend's house and was waiting for her friend to clean up her dog's mess
Unfortunately I think the only big difference the majority will see is that the new PM, whichever candidate it is will be dressed far more in keeping with the serious role it is than the last ( present ? ) joker
Regrettably I suspect the core polices won’t change ….
The debt payments are quietly becoming a material burden – Rishi knows this is unsustainable so he ****ed off (he didn’t give a shit about Boris)
Simply not true.
How do they become a burden? You are buying into the household myth again and again.
How does a currency issuer default?
You think after the war and all the 'debt' stopped the creation of the NHS?
Think back when has the *debt* (when not on gold standard or foreign debt) ever been an issue for the UK?
A third of the national debt is owned by the BoE. It's paying interest to istelf!
Did anyone hear Martin Lewis on Radio 4 this morning?
He was virtually pleading for someone in this absentee government to get a grip and do something about the upcoming enormous rises in energy costs.
He correctly pointed out that millions of households are suddenly going to find energy completely unaffordable and be unable to heat their homes through the winter, and the government is proposing doing absolutely nothing whatsoever about it. Head in the sand, as usual. Obsessed with the trivial and frivolous
Neither of the potential PMs has any realistic proposals. He dismissed Rishi's temporary VAT cut as irrelevant, and Truss has no proposals at all. He pointed out that by the time they're anointed in September it will be too late to do anything about it as the huge hit will land at exactly the same time
So it looks like business as usual and the continuation of Boris style government in its dealings with everything. Too little too late. Same as Covid... denial and the refusal to do anything or take it seriously until the moment when you could do something about it has long since passed.
Whichever of these idiots gets the poisoned chalice they are about to be launched into a huge crisis and is there a single person who thinks either of them is equipped to deal with it?
Whichever of these idiots gets the poisoned chalice they are about to be launched into a huge crisis and is there a single person who thinks either of them is equipped to deal with it?
The unions are gearing up for a general strike and there's a embryonic poll-tax-esque movement to refuse payment of energy bills ( https://dontpay.uk ). It's all heading in one direction, which is mass civil unrest. I'm sure 'Iron Liz' is drooling at the prospect, and wet blanket Starmer will be standing on the sidelines telling everyone to calm down.
How do they become a burden? You are buying into the household myth again and again.
Except the interest payments are a budgetary 'line', consequently it means less to spend and/or debt just increases - eventually someone, somewhere decides that Sterling has a 'problem'.
Except the interest payments are a budgetary ‘line’, consequently it means less to spend and/or debt just increases – eventually someone, somewhere decides that Sterling has a ‘problem’.
Debt is just bond issuance to match government spending. Bonds are purchased by the private sector with money issued previously by the government.
A currency issuing government can't ever have less to spend. That's a political line not an accountancy one
Please explain 450billion covid support? No taxes were raised and the BoE purchased the 'debt.' They tried really hard to make it look like they borrowed the money - and then just simply purchased the debt(bonds) with new money creation.
Someone somewhere won't decide that. It's a floating currency.
Other news: USA technically in a recession after 2QTRS of negative growth.
Quotes from a Guardian article from some woman in Roundhay. The logic is astounding!
“I’ve been reading [Truss’s] comments in the local media about pupils being let down and people thought she was being very unfair. It’s not true that it’s a deprived area,” she said.
“She got a good enough education at Roundhay to go to Oxford. I don’t agree with her comments at all.”
As a lifelong Tory voter, Lusardi has been following the contest very closely and still backs Truss. “I find Liz Truss more believable. I’m not biased towards women but I think women are more honest,” she said.
As there is no forum wide ban on everyone I take it no-one was listening to Mosley #1 vs Mosley #2 on LBC an hour ago (8pm)?, the candidates were bad enough but the folk in the audience and the questions they asked!!!!!, nothing I can really say that wouldn't get me a ban except for nuke the ****ing lot of them from orbit, then rake over their ashes and nuke them again just to make sure.
The article on Newsnight earlier was worrying. What planet are the Tory faithful on? One bloke was saying he'd prefer Boris was still in charge. WTAF
Who cares it won't make any difference.
We only get to listen to a one-sided agenda. The arguments of millionaires, tax dodgers, exploitative employers who want plentiful cheap, preferably slave labour. Turncoats who want people below them to lord it over and landlords who feed off a desperate workforce and benefit from systemic scarcity. So much diversionary bullshit, obfuscation, bad faith actors backed by toady useful idiots and stitch-ups.
Good old Britain same as it ever was.
Why the **** are we being force fed this shit on mainstream TV though?
Boris is some kind of "behavioural benchmark" to a lot of Tory voters, as long as they are not quite as devious, dishonest, racist, money grabbing, unfaithful, drunken as him they are functioning as acceptable members of society (in their eyes)
Why the **** are we being force fed this shit on mainstream TV though?
That’s the real farce/tragedy how the media is controlled and focussed on delivering the message to the 0.2% who are more important than you.
Truely fiddling while Rome burns moment.
(Brought to you by the party that did actually manage to stop freedom of movement.)
I must say I was slightly alarmed when listening to Stephanie Kelton on MMT.
It's a lovely description/theory - but it is far too internally focussed and far too dependent on the size and clout of the country to be something that should make us all feel warm inside.
Here is this very plausible, very together and (no doubt) very clever individual, talking about the internal impacts of doing X, Y and Z. But when it comes to cost-push inflation caused by an external shock like oil prices (see Russia-Ukraine & Putin) she suggests that the government has to do "something else" to combat this. Well, thanks for that.
The only consideration I have seen of other countries and economies in all this MMT is the notion that borrowing from other countries increases political dependence on them - NOT when a country that holds large amounts of a finite and vital resource decides to use that to threaten/punish others who oppose it politically.
MMT should just be used as education for all people so they are not misled by the political parties about basic of the economy, deficit vs debt and so on.
It is more about how it works rather than having solutions for every scenario
It is more about how it works rather than having solutions for every scenario
MMT is at first descriptive but then you have the prescriptive tools to make decisions.
But your first point is massive.
But when it comes to cost-push inflation caused by an external shock like oil prices (see Russia-Ukraine & Putin) she suggests that the government has to do “something else” to combat this. Well, thanks for that.
Economics is a huge area.
If you listen to Kelton she specifically says that things like just in time supply chains etc are the problem which should have been rectified before we got to this point.
just in time supply chains etc are the problem which should have been rectified before we got to this point.
Good luck with that. Privatise a company, prioritise profit, and inevitably you end up with these kind of operations. There was zero incentive for the companies to do anything different.
that is because just in time supply chains are great and work really efficiently - until they don't work for some reason!
"Why the * are we being force fed this shit on mainstream TV though?"
A reasonable thought, though I'd like to see wall to wall coverage of the next 7 hustings. The more we are shown of this pointless charade the more it illustrates to the broader population how undemocratic our democracy is.
For balance, mainstream media can show us more of Mick Lynch and Eddie Dempsey. The RMT is a model of representative democracy when put up against the is s show.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/29/rishi-sunak-liz-truss-culture-war-woke-nonsense
Rishi going for the statue topplers (have any been toppled recently? and I thought they'd bought a special law in to deal with this sort of thing?)
Anyone else find it a bit rich (no pun intended) that someone whose family went to East Africa to be the administrators of apartheid should come out defending statues and memorial plaques dedicated to the architects of slavery and apartheid?
They'll be talking about the death penalty by the next hustings.
They’ll be talking about the death penalty by the next hustings.
I'm amazed its not come up already as they attempt to out-stupid each other. I've said it many times that I fully expect whichever of those imbeciles gets in (its going to be her, isn't it?) to offer a referendum on the death penalty, at the very least, as part of their manifesto at the next election.
To which the Brexity half-wits of this country would vote overwhelmingly for its re-introduction
Bring back the workhouse! That’s got to be a sure-fire winner for the vote, can’t believe Liz hasn’t been photographed laying the foundation stone on the first one yet.
Forty new workhouses!
With a nuclear reactor in each one?
truss can't lose this even if she tried to.
sunak has been comprehensively
out-manoeuvred; only questions are will he withdraw to avoid total humiliation and when will he resign as MP. He has no future in politics.
truss can spew out ever more ridiculous undeliverable promises or just stick to repeating the bollocks which has been so appealing to tory members, rothermere and murdoch.
Vomit inducing.
truss can’t lose this even if she tried to.
I have a questionable record in making predictions but I'm still quite surprised at myself on this one. I still can't quite get my head around the preposterous concept of her being PM. And to think we laughed at the US over Trump.
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/liz-truss/
I also have a questionable record on betting but called this one last September. Looking at my present cash out, the bookies think its a done deal
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Actually... I think I'll cash out as I still wouldn't put it past her to do something monumentally stupid to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
binners - let it run; even if she died the members would vote for her over sunak.
All I'm waiting for now is the headline 'boris shagged truss' as that would guarantee her 100% of the vote.
I still can’t quite get my head around the preposterous concept of her being PM.
I suspect that your head might end up in turmoil as you very likely see Starmer struggling more dealing with Truss than he did with Johnson.
Starmer's line of attack on Johnson pretty much entirely focused on integrity, and his claim that he had more than Johnson. It is highly unlikely that Truss will give Starmer as much ammunition.
will Sunak chuck it in to shaft Johnson a bit more ?
Truss as PM is a scary thought.
Banning strikes.
The AG banning government lawyers from speaking out about illegal policy.
We are going further right everyday.
Liz's lust for power makes Boris look shy and self-effacing
She knows where the power lies in the present Tory party and thats with the headbangers of the ERG. She's as thick as a boxing day turd and has never had an original thought in her life. She's a blank sheet of paper (literally) on which the ERG will write their demands
When she assumes the mantle, I think we can take it as read that the first thing she'll do is tear up the withdrawal agreement and with it the Good Friday Agreement to spark a full on trade war with the EU and cause chaos in Ireland. Just what we need right now as the cost of living crisis really hits. The rabid anti-EU nutters on her backbenches will be beside themselves with glee though and thats all that matters to Liz.
After that... god only knows. It's open season. All manner of populist nonsense to keep the right wing loons happy. Death penalty? Outlawing all strikes and protests? Banning unions? Martial Law? Troops on the streets of Belfast again?
All stuff that would have no doubt horrified the young Lib Dem Liz Truss and maybe even the remain-campaigning Liz Truss
Nothing like a woman of principle, eh?
Pity labour governments and councils aren't so rotten and corrupt as well.
Our entire political system, now 'free' from the EU, is a total basket case
And with Johnsons final planned act of stuffing the house of lords full of right wing Brexit nutjobs, to help facilitate whatever unhinged lunacy Truss and the ERG have lined up, it's only going to get worse
Beam me up!
Last labour gov ended in 2010 so don't get what point you're trying to make.
As for councils they come in all political flavours with varying degrees of honesty, integrity, transparency, corruption across all of them.
Again, don't understand the point you're trying to make.
I suspect that your head might end up in turmoil as you very likely see Starmer struggling more dealing with Truss than he did with Johnson.
Starmer's problem is going to be that up against a charisma free idiot like Truss he'll be exposed as the same. Ironically his shortcomings were overshadowed by the Johnson circus but now he'll have nowhere to go. No policies, no personality, no ideas. Hopefully when his MPs realise he can't even outwit or outshine Truss some serious questions will start to be asked.
Our entire political system, now ‘free’ from the EU, is a total basket case
Yes of course, ultra right-wing racists "nutjob"" politicians have no possibility of a free rein in the EU. Blame brexit.
And yet Hungary is still in the EU
How can that be?
I expect that the Hungarian model is one Liz and the ERG will be looking to for inspiration
Our entire democracy has been well and truly ****ed by Brexit whichever way it's unhinged cheerleaders try to cut it
And we're now in a death spiral as everything unravels. Brexit is now being talibanised, where it becomes progressively more and more extreme and all dissent is silenced as scapegoats are sought out amongst the none-believers, to blame for all its many, many failures and the none-emergence of the promised sunny uplands.
I expect that the Hungarian model is one Liz and the ERG will be looking to for inspiration
Why? The Hungarian model involves staying in the EU.
And the Hungarian Prime Minister's racist comments, of which he very famous for, are far far worse than any comment made by any senior Tory politician since Enoch Powell.
Whats your point caller?
That we don't have a monopoly on mad, far right nutjobs?
I'm sure that'll be a heart-warming consolation to all of us as Liz and the ERG unleash whatever lunacy they've planned next.
Good old Brexit eh?
Still a big fan I see, comrade? Hows Lexit working out for you?
Is it possible when the incompetent idiot gets the job, the resulting madness will cause an early election?
What would it take?
What indeed. This brave new post-Brexit world is going great, isn't it?
Expect lots more of this kind of thing...
https://twitter.com/MarinaPurkiss/status/1553313278406938625?s=20&t=yLzFL69kLo28ZOFP1Z3lKQ
Braverman is a big Truss cheerleader, remember
Not at all resembling a fascist dictatorship, eh?
Whats your point caller?
That we don’t have a monopoly on mad, far right nutjobs?
You seem to have hit the nail on the head.
Being in the EU makes no difference to the popularity of far-right nutjobs. Who in most EU countries are generally far worse than in the UK.
But apart from that everything is the fault of brexit.
Any EU countries recently told lawyers to stop informing ministers when their activities are illegal, comrade?
Literally declaring themselves above the law?
.... just us then?
I wonder what facilitated that?
Its a complete mystery
I'm sorry are you seriously suggesting Viktor Orban or Mateusz Morawiecki are more liberal than the Tories?
Have a word with yourself.
What on earth has being 'liberal' or not got to do with anything?
We're discussing a total contempt for both law and democracy and instincts that lean increasingly towards fascism.Banding around words like 'liberal' in the present climate is a pretty pointless exercise
So I don't see much between them in that regard. Their instincts are the same. Just because Liz uses more guarded language and doesn't indulge in obvious racism, doesn't make her any 'better'.
This Tory party are presently creating an environment where power is absolute and the 'elite' cannot be either challenged or constrained. God only knows where Lizzie will let the ERG lead her by the nose next
I know that as a fully paid up Brexiteer you're in LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING mode when its pointed out that in the UK this has been enabled by Brexit, but there you go, comrade
Those of us who don't genuflect to the Brexit cult aren't so deluded
Those of us who don’t genuflect to the Brexit cult aren’t so deluded
You really can't help insulting people can you, even if you tried? You presumably think that it helps you "win" an argument, or at least make the other person give up.
And since you mention the word 'deluded' and made a comment concerning the judiciary process how about you read up on what Morawiecki has done in Poland?
If you think that EU membership somehow garrantees less authoritarian governments than we currently have in the UK then it is you which I would respectfully suggest is "deluded".
This is all just the usual load of old whataboutery anyway
This thread is about our new glorious leader who is - god help us - Liz Truss.
The facts of the matter are that there is no way on earth that the UK would have been saddled with the present gang of complete imbeciles in government if it wasn't for you beloved 'project'.
We thought Boris was bad?
Well its about to get a whole lot worse. We've a 'convert' and a total dimwit to boot about to take the Brexit reigns
Still... blue passports and all that....
It's all a load of whataboutery because no matter what the subject you somehow want to talk about brexit, and how everything is the fault of brexit, even when it isn't.
As you genuflect to the anti-brexit cult and delude yourself.
We thought Boris was bad?
Well its about to get a whole worse
And yet you ridiculed me in your usual sanctimonious manner when well over a year ago I repeatedly said that all the likely contenders that might replace Johnson would be more right-wing.
You seemed to think that Johnson was the most right-wing Tory politician who ever lived. Now you are suggesting that he wasn't that bad.
and everything is the fault of brexit, even when it isn’t.
The utter car crash that is this countries present politics and economics is absolutely, totally and completely 100% the fault of Brexit
You, Liz, Boris, Rees-Mogg, Farage and co can deny that all you like, but nobody's buying it
You seemed to think that Johnson was the most right-wing Tory politician who ever lived. Now you are suggesting that he wasn’t that bad.
I'm not suggesting he wasn't that bad at all - he's been an absolute bloody disaster - just that whatever came next would be far worse.
But christ on a bendybus... LIZ TRUSS!!!!
Hurray for Brexit!
The utter car crash that is this countries present politics and economics is absolutely, totally and completely 100% the fault of Brexit
No it's not.
Countries were shut down due to a pandemic - there is inflation across the majority of the big economies.
That is the driver of majority of economic issues as seen by countries not in the EU or countries still in the EU.
Brexit won't help anything of course but you'd be be ignoring large swathes of right-wing economic ignorance and downturns whilst being members of the EU.
In fact for a country relying on Chinese imports Truss would do well to shut up about China too.
just that whatever came next would be far worse.
Yeah that's right, Johnson wasn't as bad as what will come next.
Btw re: "hurray for brexit" are you sure that Johnson is going to be replaced by Liz Truss because of brexit?
Each shall be more Brexity than the last
The Talibanisation of UK politics
It'll only reach its logical conclusion when he's in number 10...
This current crop of senior Tories are an absolute disgrace.
Liz Truss is not really right wing. She is saying and doing what the right wing of the Tory party want her to do. All she cares about is the power.
Boris hand picked his cabinet to make sure he would have absolute control over the lot of them.
Was it Penny Mordaunt who described becoming Prime Minister as a "prize" in an interview?
They’ll be talking about the death penalty by the next hustings
Nail em up I say,nail some sense into them.
I’m more surprised theres no calls for national service tbh 🙂
National Service would involve training and providing some equipment, which could technically represent ‘investment’
More likely it’ll be compulsory fruit picking instead
The utter car crash that is this countries present politics and economics is absolutely, totally and completely 100% the fault of Brexit
Nope, brexit is a symptom of the car crash not the cause. The cause, as I've said many times, is a political culture of managerialism and careerism, which was foisted upon us largely by Blair and his merry band of coked up PR advisors who were in the pockets of the super-rich. The result of that culture was government (by both parties) which became totally detached from the struggles and experiences of normal people. So when normal people were given an opportunity to change something, they took it, even though they didn't really know the end result.
I'd like to think that a Liz Truss victory would make a Labour victory more likely at the next general election but I'm reminded that in a couple of years time the discrepancy between the number of old and young people amongst the electorate will widen even further, as it does by a pecentage point or two every year.
We'll just have to get used to being governed by the will of a handfull of old fascists. When the recession hits and unemployment starts to go up we will see a concurrent recurrence of the worst aspects of both the 70's and the 80's.
Still... statues and bathrooms eh?
This child expresses my feelings about it all.
You know how Starmer is going to break the Tory shit show ? - with fiscal rules. That's his line currently.
It has to be fully costed or it doesn't happen.
Country desperately needs deficit spending and Starmer has a tragic UK government in front of him and he can't offer the people an alternative.
You're stuck with the Tories whilst you've got Starmer.
Starmer embarrassed by the workers wanting more money not willing to defend them yet the Tories fully supporting the asset class every step of the way.
Country desperately needs deficit spending and Starmer has a tragic UK government in front of him and he can’t offer the people an alternative.
Because the only significant part of any alternative is rejoining, if not the EU, then at least the Single Market and Customs Union. We're never going to get economic growth if import / export costs what they do now. We've lost hundreds of billions in GDP based on far lower exports and far higher costs.
But Starmer is still desperately trying to avoid the massive elephant in the room by saying that Labour would "make Brexit work".
Because the only significant part of any alternative is rejoining, if not the EU, then at least the Single Market and Customs Union.
No its not, I am fully supportive of re-joining at least the single market and customs union, but to say that is the only significant alternative is complete and utter bollocks. We need public investment in energy and services that allow the country to meet the environmental, energy self sufficiency and transport needs for the future. IMO that can only happen with nationalisation, and stopping the massive waste of public subsidy of corporate profits.
That can't happen in the EU, I would have preferred a progressive government to challenge EU rules that prevent that from within, and think the EU would/could swing to that view with pressure. However we can't play the EU political game now, so lets just offer that as a path in the UK.
Building an advanced comms infrastructure, transport infrastructure, energy generation and delivery infrastructure, building social housing and insulating existing homes, modernising work practices without leaving "people" out of the benefits etc. These ambitions would also create good jobs , helping to rebalance wealth inequality.
The UK's problem with the EU has always been "how much we pay" and not "how can we engage and shape it too do good". But that is also the main problem with the narrative of UK politics, labour need to change that narrative, argue for long lasting progressive policies that benefits all of the uk and not just a few percent. If they can get it right in the UK, then maybe they can also influence international politics, currently they have no ****ing chance.
Yes, and you have to remember exporting is a swap of a country's real resources (limited) for money (unlimited and can be created.)