Hard working, extremely competent and credible. Being a center right person myself, I would probably disagree with a lot of Starmer’s policies yet would vote him in a heartbeat, since unlike most MPs he doesn’t come across as an opportunistic lunatic.
Unfortunately, polling suggests that not enough people share your opinion.
Anyway, it seems that it doesn't matter: others here are satisfied with him doing slightly better than the man they hold to be completely useless.
Slightly better?
26 points difference in the polls? That's an interesting definition of 'slightly'
Is that the same as Manchester City being 'slightly better' than Burnley last Saturday?
SKS is not Blair.
Criticism of Blair is not criticism of SKS.
I hope SKS gets elected and proves all us doubting lefties wrong with an ambitious plan to revolutionise the economy and renew infrastructure.
We really do not need more of the same but with a red rosette.
Slightly better?
Losing by a little vs. losing by a lot as an indicator of success:
Let's put up the bunting and chill the champagne.
Maybe ask Boris how he's enjoying having an 80 seat majority?
News of Labour still being behind has just hit their HQ
since unlike most MPs he doesn’t come across as an opportunistic lunatic.
We have had our aspirations thoroughly screwed over, haven't we?
Ctk, nice aspiration, but it has never happened ever, always the reverse.
Coming to the conclusion that ransos is in fact a Tory bot, and best ignored
We really do not need more of the same but with a red rosette.
Not a single thing KS has said or done indicates he's going to do anything different than what has come before. We can look forward to slightly more generous benefits, slightly different taxes, slightly different wages, slightly different amounts spent on public services, slight different practises for managing all these things, and unfortunately all the same problems these slightly different policies have failed to solve in the past 40 years. Given the lack of any real difference its amazing so much effort goes into politics.
Coming to the conclusion that ransos is in fact a Tory bot, and best ignored
I'll try to contain my disappointment.
Not a single thing KS has said or done indicates he’s going to do anything different than what has come before.
He seems to be frightened of saying anything much. Meanwhile, the kool-aid drinkers will continue to inflate the scantest of evidence to justify their backing.
Ransos what is Kool Aid drinkers?
I’ll try to contain my disappointment.
That's the spirit.
Best thing I’ve seen on the AS catastrophe. Are these the people Starmer wants to kick out of the party?
https://twitter.com/doubledownnews/status/1333045949032263680?s=21
Dazh - Thanks that was great viewing really powerful, she came across so well.
Meanwhile, the kool-aid drinkers will continue to inflate the scantest of evidence to justify their backing.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
So one eyed that they think they are king and that people who can see perfectly well are blind.
So those of you that disagree with having Starmer what do you propose? And who would you rather be at the lead?
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Yes, I'm already aware that you wish to celebrate losing by not quite so much.
So those of you that disagree with having Starmer what do you propose? And who would you rather be at the lead?
They don’t propose anything. If you’re looking for any kind of strategy or reason you’ll be left wanting. They’re basically a bunch of puerile, sanctimonious sixth formers who’s ideas, such as the are, amount to
Their only proposal was to have Rebecca Wrong-Daily as the ‘continuity Corbyn’ candidate, because Corbynism went down so well with the electorate that to continue it would be the obvious thing to do.
Remind me again how you define madness?
Now that their messiah has thankfully been deposed they’re now heading back to the 1970’s political backwater they’ve always inhabited and that means that hopefully the grown-ups in Labour can return the party to the real world, free of their pious infantile nonsense
Remind me again how you define madness?
Have you met any of the U.K. electorate? They’re pretty reliable at voting in the Right (barstads) even when it clearly seems (to me) to be against their interest.
The first election I have much recollection of involved Kinnock.
Tories at the election; “Hi, we *****ed over the old heavy industries with no transition to a new economic profile and have literally just delivered you a recession, but will you vote us in anyway. Oh you will, thank you very much. Here, let me kick some work shy dole scum in the ghoolies as a thank you”
So those of you that disagree with having Starmer what do you propose? And who would you rather be at the lead?
I think Starmer is the best leader the labour party have had since Smith
Remind me again how you define madness?
Posting the same picture over and over again and expecting different results?
Posting the same picture over and over again and expecting different results?
I think he gets the results he is after.....
Remind me again how you define madness?
Not knowing when to stop bickering amongst yourselves in quite puerile and unpleasant ways, and then wondering why no one supports you at elections?
Both sides on here need to learn when to give up and move on.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/337cBl9c9QT1Ji34gLiVg B">Alexei Sayle podcast
Title of his first podcast is:
Keir Starmer: Establishment Tool.
So relevant 🙂
Is PMQs on tomorrow? I'll be disappointed if SKS doesn't open with "So, that oven ready deal......how's it going for you?"
Some might describe this as “learning the lesson of Gordon Brown’s bigoted woman comment”… or “listening to people’s legitimate concerns”… but I just find it utterly depressing, and a total abdication of responsibility by a political leader…
https://twitter.com/imincorrigible/status/1338412702994206720?s=21
I agree the the whole white replacement stuff is bollocks to anyone who has any understanding of the history of these isles.
Calling Gemma out as an "out and out racist" might not be the best way to change her views as polarization is the opposite of what we need.
I didn't hear the show so can't comment on the response but all mainstream politicians need one that cuts right through this tripe. It's not just a problem for SKS it's everyone's problem
Even if Starmer is not perfect - and IMO he is not. He is head and shoulders above any other candidate for a variety of reasons. Lammy is pretty good and probably the next best but unfortunately too tanned for the racists
It’s not just a problem for SKS it’s everyone’s problem
Agreed. But I brought up Starmer's total lack of an appropriate response in this thread... er... because... er... this thread is about him.
Lammy is pretty good and probably the next best
I'd argue he'd be better... but agree with you about why his hat wasn't even in the ring. Of those that put their names forward to be leader... they all impressed me in the leadership debates... including those I had reservations about before the leadership campaign. Starmer has very real short comings that he can't do much about though... and needs to use his colleagues more to fill the gaps he has in addressing the public... surprisingly (to me) Miliband is one asset being used well... Thornbury, Nandy and Raynor also cutting through. Some need to replaced though... many are fully across their brief but offer nothing in terms of winning over the public.... see Dodds for example. While it is depressing that Johnson team are campaigners first, ministers a distant second... and the Labour team would to a person make a better cabinet of ministers... there are lessons to be learnt from the Tories having salespeople not policypeople in all the key posts. That's where politics is right now.
“learning the lesson of Gordon Brown’s bigoted woman comment”
Actually I would say the problem with the Gordon brown bigoted women comment, was that she was making bigoted comments, and instead of explaining why they were bigoted comments he backed down and pandered to the bigoty.
That lesson has not been learnt, pandering to the bigots allowed the movement to grow.
That lesson has not been learnt, pandering to the bigots allowed the movement to grow.
I agree.
There's a timely article in the Guardian today on just this issue
For liberals, Brexit is a hard lesson in the politics of resentment
there are lessons to be learnt from the Tories having salespeople not policypeople in all the key posts. That’s where politics is right now.
I have been saying that for a long time. I would be running regular focus groups discussing the members of the shadow cabinet. Anyone that is not popular/not connecting to the voters for whatever reason goes and gets replace with someone who is/does. For example Dodds just needs to go.
Labour have a few years to get the right cabinet in place. It is not the policies that lost the last election for Labour and although Brexit was a major disruption that won't be there in 4 years time (in fact the country will be such a mess because of Brexit that it can be used to Labour's advantage)
For example Dodds just needs to go.
I agree.
She's far from the only one, but she has the biggest role, during the pandemic and the self inflected chaos of next year.
They’re basically a bunch of puerile, sanctimonious sixth formers
Yawn. Change the record FFS, it's extremely tedious.
Their only proposal was to have Rebecca Wrong-Daily as the ‘continuity Corbyn’ candidate
Funny that a sixth former such as myself voted for Starmer on account of RLB being the wrong candidate.
And who would you rather be at the lead?
Right now that's a tricky question after Rayner has shown her true careerist colours. Lammy or Lewis would probably be my preference, or even a return for Ed Miliband, who seems to have matured and held onto some of his radical reformist instincts.
That lesson has not been learnt, pandering to the bigots allowed the movement to grow.
Yet weirdly the people who have consistently and vociferously opposed and called out bigotry are those on the left who are dismissed as metropolitan elitist 6th formers.
his radical reformist instincts.
Like he reformed his father's will after he died?
Funny that a sixth former such as myself voted for Starmer on account of RLB being the wrong candidate.
She was the wrong candidate... but she really impressed me in the leadership debates, and I wish she was still in the shadow cabinet... but she holed her own hull.
Right now that’s a tricky question after Rayner has shown her true careerist colours.
Rayner has done her job. Well. I'm continually impressed with her political nouse.
Lammy or Lewis would probably be my preference, or even a return for Ed Miliband, who seems to have matured and held onto some of his radical reformist instincts.
Fingers crossed these three are in government one day. Lewis has a tendency to speak only to us lefties, and not the country though (lots of "overturn the neoliberal system" type language)... he shouldn't be near one of the big posts in my opinion, he's no where near ready... even though I so often agree with him.
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his radical reformist instincts.Like he reformed his father’s will after he died?
DYOR
I did
The row centred on a house in Primrose Hill, where the Miliband family grew up.
When he died in 1994, Ralph Miliband originally left the house to his wife, Marion.
However, along with his mother and his brother, Mr Miliband agreed to rewrite his father’s will using a deed of variation.
Instead of the family home passing to his mother, each brother was given 20 percent of the asset.
In order to change a will in this way, all the people involved have to agree.
The deed of variation would ultimately reduce the tax on Mrs Miliband’s estate, as inheritance tax would only be paid on 60 percent of the asset rather than the whole value of the home.
And to keep it on topic
The then-Labour candidate and former DPP Keir Starmer admitted that Mr Miliband’s financial arrangements were “intended to reduce tax”, raising questions about the Labour leader's decision to attack tax “avoiders”.
Mr Starmer, who was the director of public prosecutions until 2013, said that people were more interested in “complicated, sophisticated tax avoidance schemes,” than Mr Miliband’s arrangements.
At the time, he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "People will take different views on deeds of variation and all forms of tax relief is in one sense intended to reduce tax."
Thing is, his Dad could have written his will splitting the property between wife & kids to minimise tax anyway so it’s not a massive tax swindle. Unlike Cameron’s old man using offshore investment in Panama.
