I laughed at how Corbyn voted too!
Probably for a different reason though 'cos I'm one the 'chip-on-shoulder' northern centralists like binners... 😂
Well this is a massive surprise. No doubt Starmer will do the right thing.
Gotta love how the 'old left' hate a winner.
Much safer and easier to back an ideologically 'pure' no hoper than be forced to confront inconvenient realities.
Starmer is doing just fine. He's letting the blonde shithead dig his own hole. Damn right.
Starmer sounded terrible in clip I just heard on radio.
Much safer and easier to back an ideologically ‘pure’ no hoper than be forced to confront inconvenient realities.
Ah, the Groucho Marx approach to politics: if you don't like my principles, I have others.
Captain Ditherer can't even manage that. He should let Marcus Rashford have a go instead.
Well this is a massive surprise. No doubt Starmer will do the right thing.
Whatever Lord Sainsbury tells him, we assume.
Starmer is doing just fine. He’s letting the blonde shithead dig his own hole. Damn right.
Yep great especially compared to Corbyn who was always intent on opposing the govt. Bomb Syria? of course you can! Further austerity measures? I think we'll abstain on that!
Corbyn lost by 80 seats to an incoherent panto act who hid in a fridge to avoid scrutiny. Less than 12 months ago.
Starmer is nearly level in the polls.
People will be out abstaining for Sir at the next election. Rashford gets my vote, a red.
Yep great especially compared to Corbyn who was always intent on opposing the govt
Particularly if it was a labour one
Starmer is nearly level in the polls.
Nearly level with "an incoherent panto act"? Impressive.
As predicted, the headlines are all about the Tory rebellion... Labour's position barely mentioned, other than the quote from Boris calling it "invertebrate".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-55153886
As predicted, the headlines are all about the Tory rebellion
Of course it bloody is! WTF did you expect?
The very people who Boris courted and pandered too to (successfully) get him into power are the ones turning on him now. He's in the process of finding out that the ERG libertarian headbangers feel no more loyalty to him than they did to any of his predecessors.
You're aware of how the media works? This is called 'news'. And not very positive news for the government who are being questioned and voted against by their own backbenchers. Given recent events (thanks again Jezza!) Labour not being the story is a good thing as it doesn't detract from the present Tory infighting
keir Starmer could have turned up in a ****ing tutu and conducted his reply through the medium of circus tricks and it would barely have warranted a footnote in the press.
Labour’s position barely mentioned
Excellent. Of all the options presented to the opposition, the news being all about the Tory party infighting is about the best result there could’ve been today
Nearly level with “an incoherent panto act”? Impressive.
Not really, but it looks impressive in comparison to his predecessor.
Excellent. Of all the options presented to the opposition, the news being all about the Tory party infighting is about the best result there could’ve been today
Someone gets it.
Drip-drip. No one trusts Johnson, not even his own MPs. Drip-drip.
Nearly level with “an incoherent panto act”? Impressive.
I think you’re underestimating with at that comment just how far away the U.K. electorate is from supporting “genuine” left wing party.
Excellent. Of all the options presented to the opposition, the news being all about the Tory party infighting is about the best result there could’ve been today
I also found the focus on Tory infighting to be a win. Makes a change from the pathetic infighting in the Labour Party.
All this infighting about who said what, did or didn't vote and wait for the next election means you're being played beautifully. When people are facing a seismic downwards shift in their lives, work and wellbeing, the more politically aware should be planning to campaign and organise not flicking shit at each other and arguing over who's the best man (or woman!) in a shiny suit.
I also found the focus on Tory infighting to be a win. Makes a change from the pathetic infighting in the Labour Party.
The man on the Clapham Omnibus is not listening to R4 every morning or scouring a broad range of news sources to form an opinion based on a spectrum of slants.
All he is likely to hear is 'Tories in disarray and their leader looks like a tosser right now'.
Keep up the drip-drip.
Social media targeted lies are a different kettle of fish, though.
The story today is not “what Labour haven’t done” but “why, when you were voted in less than a year ago with a massive majority are you having to run about persuading your own MPs to vote with its own bleeding govt”
that’s the sort of headline that any opposition worth the name should be happy about...those are the cut and keep headline days.
Also, if Labour had voted with the Tory rebels and the government been defeated (as would have happened it transpires) what would the story be now? Critically, what public health message would have been sent to the country?
Alternatives being pointless doomed amendment or voting with the government, abstaining wan't wooly or indecisive, it was the best thing to do.
that’s the sort of headline that any opposition worth the name should be happy about…those are the cut and keep headline days.
This. And this
the more politically aware should be planning to campaign and organise not flicking shit
I think Starmers missed some opportunities but last night played out well for him. Excellent pieces on the BBC and the Guardian, not got round to checking the right wing headlines.
He needs to keep focusing on the government's failures in the coming weeks and months, citing the economy and the death toll, just as the government will be claiming credit for a vaccine that has **** all to do with them.
Boris will be hung out to dry by his own party if he has to concede on a Brexit deal, and by everyone else with a no deal. The Tories need to keep him there long enough to take the blame.
Someone gets it.
I don't think you do, if your comments on this page are anything to go by. Labour have made themselves an irrelevance over this issue: the Tory rebellion is damaging to Johnson but not to the party as all it does is push them towards electing a leader who would put Labour even further away from government.
Excellent. Of all the options presented to the opposition, the news being all about the Tory party infighting is about the best result there could’ve been today
Yes, what we absolutely want is no idea of what Labour would do differently.
Yes, what we absolutely want is no idea of what Labour would do differently.
it’s daft nonsense like this that make binner’s accusations of 6th form politics accurate. In an ideal world the press and public would be well informed and able to make critical judgments based on information presented to them. We don’t live in that world, our world is one where Labour are in opposition, and the Tories still have a massive majority after 10 years in power. Starmer (or any other Labour candidate you care to mention) is about as irrelevant as they can possibly be right now.
I quite like the fantasy world you inhabit, it sounds ace, meanwhile back here in reality, an opposition leader who the right wing press can’t nail on any disparaging headlines is one step closer to winning an election
I quite like the fantasy world you inhabit, it sounds ace, meanwhile back here in reality, an opposition leader who the right wing press can’t nail on any disparaging headlines is one step closer to winning an election
100%
What's Labour's position on scotch eggs?
What’s Labour’s position on scotch eggs?
It doesn't matter. Wait for Johnson and his rabble of idiots and cynical opportunists to make themselves look stupid and/or mendacious over it then sit back and enjoy the fun.
Wait for Johnson and his rabble of idiots and cynical opportunists to make themselves look stupid and/or mendacious over it then sit back and enjoy the fun.
If we're doing 'the real world' then you might want to consider the fact that the UK is to be the first country in the world to deploy a vaccine. Waiting for them to screw up and look stupid doesn't look like the best strategy from where I'm standing.
If we’re doing ‘the real world’ then you might want to consider the fact that the UK is to be the first country in the world to deploy a vaccine
Looking at the 'World Beating' success the Track and Trace system, and given that they just put Nadhim Zahawi in charge who will be straight on the phone to Serco, I'm sure we can all look forward to an absolutely textbook vaccination programme, the envy of the world
That we can roll out a vaccine for Covid and be among the first Nations to do so is a cause for celebration.
If we’re doing ‘the real world’ then you might want to consider the fact that the UK is to be the first country in the world to deploy a vaccine. Waiting for them to screw up and look stupid doesn’t look like the best strategy from where I’m standing.
They've still got to get it out to the population. There's a long way to go. I'll wager there's going to be plenty of instances of private* logistics companies with vans full of spoiled vaccines due to incompetence/cronyism/cockups - just got to make sure they are front and centre on the news agenda.
*Owned by mates of Tory ministers.
That we can roll out a vaccine for Covid and be among the first Nations to do so is a cause for celebration.
Totally agree, as will the voting public, and I'm sure Johnson and his mates in the press will take full advantage of that.
I’m sure we can all look forward to an absolutely textbook vaccination programme, the envy of the world
So your entire strategy for labour winning the next election is based on hoping the tories are as incompetent as you think they are, and then hoping that the tory press report this honestly. And you think its us lefties who are the naive 6th formers?
I’ll wager there’s going to be plenty of instances of private* logistics companies with vans full of spoiled vaccines
See above.
So your entire strategy for labour winning the next election is based on hoping the tories are as incompetent as you think they are, and then hoping that the tory press report this honestly
Erm... when did I or anyone say anything else like that? Don't be daft.
I'm saying that it's extremely early days to be saying that this is going to be hailed as some great triumph. People have high, probably unrealistic expectations.
There will be a public inquiry into the handling of the pandemic once we're through all this. How well do you think Boris and chums are going to come out of that when legal questions start being asked about PPE contracts awarded to their mates, the appalling performance of T&T etc
Theres a million and one things that can happen between now and the next election, 4 years away. Next year is likely to see the deepest recession the country has ever seen, with mass unemployment and millions being forced into poverty. And thats just for starters. How rosy do you think Brexit is going to be looking in 12 months time?
This is a marathon, not a sprint
That we can roll out a vaccine for Covid and be among the first Nations to do so is a cause for celebration.
And a reflection that the government have had no involvement in getting it this far.
And a reflection that the government have had no involvement in getting it this far.
As if that will stop them taking credit..
https://twitter.com/AlokSharma_RDG/status/1334031199535325185?s=20
If we’re doing ‘the real world’ then you might want to consider the fact that the UK is to be the first country in the world to deploy a vaccine.
Deploying effective vaccines asap is a good thing.
Waiting for them to screw up and look stupid doesn’t look like the best strategy from where I’m standing
True, there's no political advantage for Labour and potential advantage even for the Tories in this being successful. But are you seriously saying you'd rather roll-out of vaccines failed if it meant more votes for Labour? I mean, I thought I was cynical...
But are you seriously saying you’d rather roll-out of vaccines failed if it meant more votes for Labour?
Where on earth did you get that idea from? I was pointing out that the UK being the first to deploy a vaccine will play very well for Boris so Starmer and his flag wavers better come up with something a bit more imaginative and inspiring than abstaining their way to the next electioon.
Absolutely. Playing politics with a pandemic is unlikely to be helpful for anyone.
Playing politics with a pandemic is unlikely to be helpful for anyone.
It'll be helpful for Boris. He'll say he guided the country through the pandemic whilst Starmer sniped from the sidelines, facilitated the fastest rollout of the vaccine, and rebuilt the economy. All bollox of course but that's what he'll say, and the media will repeat it ad infinitum until it becomes established fact. The only conditions required for him to do this are the end of the pandemic, and a recovery from the depths of depression/recession. Both of which are near certain by 2024.
Where on earth did you get that idea from?
Its how I read you comment tbh. I assumed that wasn’t how it was intended to be read.
It’ll be helpful for Boris
Yes but so what? This isn't the wheel for labour to stick a spoke in.
Absolutely. Playing politics with a pandemic is unlikely to be helpful for anyone.
Tell that to that oily little shit Hancock.
...and Sturgeon
