I said that I thought he got it wrong as regards withdrawing the whip... but he had no good choices...
So, Corbyn screws up the Labour response to the ECHR... and then whichever of the bad options (support Corbyn, or suspend the whip) that leaves Starmer with results in the big pile of shit for him (and the party) to wade through... but the fact he can't walk on that shit... is his fault?
So... what did Starmer get wrong? He had Corbyn's inability to accept a report with legal findings to deal with. Is that it? If Corbyn had handled the publishing of the report as was required for the party, then at this point Starmer would have done no wrong? Do I have that right?
So… what did Starmer get wrong? He had Corbyn to deal with. Is that it?
I've answered your question so why are you repeating it?
So it's not about any policy changes, it's all about his handling as regards Corbyn, yes? To be clear?
I think the problem is the implication that Jeremy is fallible and therefore mortal.
So that can’t possibly be right. In fact, technically it’s heresy 😉
it’s all about his handling as regards Corbyn
No it's about him breaking the primary promise of his leadership bid to bring together both sides of the party. He's manifestly failed to do that, his actions today in changing the NEC rules being the latest example. It's not even really a left v right problem, it's a membership vs PLP problem. You could take away the left/right political differences and you would still have a divided party.
He's even attempted to ban members from talking about Corbyn's suspension, which is ironic as it's usually the left who are accused of acting like 20th century communist dictators.
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1331201975350923264?s=20
He’s manifestly failed to do that
I agree.
It’s not even really a left v right problem
I agree.
Is Mike Gapes seriously having a go at people walking out of something? 🙂
I can't help feeling nostalgic at the moment: it's like the good old days of Degsy Hatton and Militant Tendency all over again...
So glad I live in Scotland, where Labour's slide into irrelevance has at least greased the wheels of independence.
He’s even attempted to ban members from talking about Corbyn’s suspension
Please, tell us more…
The new leader of Labour's NEC, personally approved by Starmer..
https://twitter.com/tristandross/status/1331208180077039616?s=20
binners now linking to Tory 'comedian's' Twitter accounts to prove how bad being left-wing is. 🤔
I wonder what Jim Davidson thinks.
binners now linking to Tory ‘comedian’s’ Twitter accounts
The beast. He knows no bounds.
It's pretty revealing of which party he would be better aligned with. It's not exactly a devastating argument either - 'Tories think Labour are bad shocker'.
Norcott can be funny. A rarity in comedians with his political leanings. I very rarely agree with him. He sometimes makes me chuckle. That tweet made be sigh in agreement as well as laugh… at the same time… probably a first since I started following him on Twitter after his Mash Report appearances. The joke was set up for him though, wasn’t it… I fully expect similar jokes from resigned left wing comedians come the weekly satirical TV & Radio shows… it’s just too easy.
I saw him on HIGNFY once and thought - how ironic to have affirmative action for right wing comedians
He made that joke himself, on that show, IIRC.
Also… Boris Johnson.
So it’s not about any policy changes, it’s all about his handling as regards Corbyn, yes? To be clear?
Oh dear, I see we're still in groundhog day. I'm not sure how else to express my opinion on Labour policy in a way that gets through to you.
Could you express it through interpretive dance?
Try a few sentences. Bullet points if it saves you time.
Try a few sentences. Bullet points if it saves you time.
I've no intention of repeating myself in the service of your silly little game.
Any chance on the interpretive dance then?
Mime?
I only perform contemporary dance. I reckon you'd be better served by grabbing a biscuit and disappearing into a quiet room with Kelvin.
Silly little game? I want to know if you have seen actual changes to policy that you (and perhaps I, once I've seen it) object to? Or if this is all about the mess as regards the EHRC report. If Starmer has angered or disappointed many Labour members and supporters (plenty of evidence that he has) I want to know if it about substantial policy, or just about rallying around the past leader? I'm hoping you might help. Obviously you don't have to... none of this is your doing. I'm just interested.
What type of biscuit though....
Garibaldi, please.
Silly little game? I want to know if you have seen actual changes to policy that you (and perhaps I, once I’ve seen it) object to?
I have no new information since I answered this question an hour ago. Should I have an update, I'll let you know.
changing the NEC rules being the latest example.
back to how they’d always been up until 2017... I wonder who changed them to make sure the ‘right’ people ended up on the NEC? Bet you can all guess
I fully expect similar jokes from resigned left wing comedians come the weekly satirical TV & Radio shows… it’s just too easy.
In a nutshell......90% of my issue with Corbyn. He provides open goal after open goal for the Tories.
And then the usual nobheads who come out with 'sovrunty' and 'political correctness gorn maaad' can easily say 'it would be worse under Labour'. It is an open goal.
x-posted with the brexit thread. This is where weather-vane centrism gets you. One minute you're the remain poster boy with a legion of twittteratis behind you, the next you're doing the very thing everyone slagged off your predecessor for supposedly wanting to do.
Yeah but it's not about policies or principles it's about getting elected.
This is where weather-vane centrism gets you
Eh? It's where engaging with reality gets you. If there's a deal (big if) I'd personally want labour to have a clear line. What's the problem?
This is where weather-vane centrism gets you
Well we know exactly where left-wing Bennite/Corbynite 70's style, anti-EU bollocks has got us, don't we? Exactly where we are now. Staring into the abyss.
It takes some bloody front to be trying to pin any of the blame for this disaster on 'centrists'
We've weeks left before a no deal crashout, and the Brexit-addled Tory's have an 80 seat majority..
Your suggestions as to WTF else he can do at the 59th minute of the 11th hour? Saddled with the car crash that is entirely of his predecessors making
Anything Brexit-related at this point is going to be calamitous. Its some bodged half-arsed lash-up of a deal which will be hugely damaging or a totally disastrous crash out
Any even half-decent options evaporated 12 months ago when grandad handed Boris and his clown-circus its whacking great majority
Maybe he could spend 3 years with splinters up his arse from that *ing fence instead? The time for the labour leader to do something was 4 and a half *ing years ago, when the bloke who had the job at the time went on holiday for a couple of months, then spent the next 4 years with a fencepost up his arse
We have left the EU. We need a trade deal with the EU.
🤷🏻♂️
It takes some bloody front to be trying to pin any of the blame for this disaster on ‘centrists’
It's absolutely nothing to do with the former shadow minister for Brexit.
We all know who was calling the shots over the last 4 years and it wasn't the cabinet members.
Grandad, Seamas, Len and all the rest of the merry band of 70's-throwback, Bennite Brexiteer dinosaurs were driving policy, from his sabbatical on his allotment during the referendum, to calling for article 50 to be triggered immediately, to gift wrapping the Brexiteer opportunist his huge majority to 'Get Brexit Done'.
They own this mess as much as Boris, through their continued complicity. I'm sure Jezza will raise a little glass of carrot juice as we crash out, to mark his not insignificant contribution to something he'd wanted and campaigned for for decades
We all know who was calling the shots over the last 4 years and it wasn’t the cabinet members.
Absolutely. It's nothing to do with the man whipping his MPs to support a deal worse than the one he was leading the vote against.
Er… WE HAVE LEFT THE EU.
Your caps lock is stuck on.
Absolutely. It’s nothing to do with the man whipping his MPs to support a deal worse than the one he was leading the vote against.
Are you saying the opposite of what you mean? It's not always clear. What do you think Starmer should do?
