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What amazes me is every time there is a horrifying attack. Of any sort, be or against children or terror attacks etc al, the silence on here is deafening. It never seems to be a topic of conversation
And what amazes me (apart from the fact that your claim is nonsense) is that you appear to believe that the likes of Nigel Farage, Elon Musk, and Yaxley-Lennon, give a monkeys.
I mean, we could have another enquiry. It would most likely say that in the last two years there have been similar failings at local authority level much like Rotherham where vulnerable young women have been abused by groups of men facilitated by under resourced, overwhelmed services led by a mix of competent and inept leaders...
...because the findings and recommendations from the 2022 report haven't been implemented.
As an aside, what's the point of an enquiry on a topic of this magnitude without the mechanisms to ensure findings and subsequent recommendations are enacted in a timely manner? Two years is quite frankly taking the piss.
artist you aint half talking a load of cobblers
the last enquiry cost an estimated £200m , when Boris Johnson described it as money being 'spaffed against the wall' it was only at £60m!
and the Tories implemented a grand total of 0 of the recommendations from it
Conservative manifesto had no mention of grooming gangs and some vague mentions on their record on rape
Reforms' 'manifesto' has one sentence about grooming gangs with no actual plans or details.
https://www.reformparty.uk/policies
Labour's manifesto has detailed plans to embed a rape investigation team in every police force, fast track prosecutions and bring in special courts at every Crown Court to clear the rape prosecution backlog as well as use anti-organised crime tactics to take on gangs and repeat offenders, and look at root causes like mysoginy in communities.
https://labour.org.uk/change/take-back-our-streets/
if you bothered to inform yourself you could have checked out that Jess Phillips and Labour put a lot of work into rape law reform
instead youre just parroting what musk/Farage/yaxley-lennon tells you to think
Musk meanwhile is bezzie mates with rapist Trump and hung Ghislaine Maxwell & Epstein and himself has been done for harassing women and has championed the free speech of rapist and trafficker Andrew Tate....
As an aside, what’s the point of an enquiry on a topic of this magnitude without the mechanisms to ensure findings and subsequent recommendations are enacted in a timely manner?
It does seem a bit pointless and expensive to hold another one whilst ignoring this one. The chair of that report stated it should be implemented first before any other inquiry is launched and whilst obviously listening to experts is so last century it seems a bit pointless if we are going to ignore them to pay them to run an inquiry for several years.
Then again I guess thats what happens when the tories choose a leadership candidate who during the campaign seems to have suggested it was £60m I saw was being spaffed up a wall
If you’re in any doubt about peoples motivations for what’s presently happening and who actually gives a shit about the victims of the grooming gangs, I suggest you watch the Victoria Derbyshire interview on tonight’s Newsnight with Jess Phillips
An incredible woman who has dedicated her life to the victims of sexual and domestic violence, being called ‘a genocide rape apologist’ by a man who is presently the lap dog of a *ing multiple rapist and friend of Epstein.
Then you might want to have a *ing word with yourself!
Did, or did he not state anyone asking for an inquiry is jumping on a far right bandwagon?
I don't know, did he?
Have, or have not labour councils covered up grooming scandals?
I don't know, have they?
Have labour council members not told people to shut their mouths in the name of diversity?
I don't know, have they?
Has Keir not alienated massive swathes of the country with his poor choices?
Oh, I do know this one. The ruddy-faced pillocks were lining up squealing "well what do you expect from a Labour government" two days after losing the election and having their toys taken away. It's nothing to do with "poor choices" and everything to do with the Gammonista being tediously predictable.
That aside, I don’t understand why there has to be so much red tape involved with dealing with rapists?
Because, that's how the judicial system works? What would you suggest instead? Conviction without trial, they're brown so they're surely guilty? Bring back capital punishment? Free are Tommy?
Punish the gangs, punish anyone found to have neglected their duties, implement recommendations, dig deeper to stop this crap getting brushed under the carpet.
This is exactly what happens. If it weren't, you wouldn't be here now crying about it because you wouldn't know about it.
Anyone that claims that things like this and other crimes aren’t diluted because of the race of the perpetrators is quite frankly deluded and an apologist.
Anyone that claims that things like this and other crimes aren’t inflated because of the race of the perpetrators is quite frankly racist.
What amazes me is every time there is a horrifying attack. Of any sort, be or against children or terror attacks etc al, the silence on here is deafening. It never seems to be a topic of conversation
Nothing is stopping you from starting threads.
the conversation only arises when someone pipes up about it
That's... how conversations work?
and there’s an opportunity to cry racist, or as it is now preferred, far right
Two cheeks of the same arse, really.
The whole Southport debacle is a case in point. I’m referring to the media in this case, not on here per se
I know the case you're referring to, but on googling "southport rape" the first page of results is a bunch of recent convictions of white men. Are you equally outraged about that?
Meanwhile, Rape Crisis has this to say:
There is little doubt that mistakes have been made, be that accidentally or intentionally. But random hysteria does not advance things.
The left are far, far more culpable of creating division than anyone else
How?
The single most divisive thing to happen in my living memory was back in 2016 and was wholly a machination of the Tories.
And you talk of being deluded. Jesus.
Has Keir not alienated massive swathes of the country with his poor choices?
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Oh, I do know this one. The ruddy-faced pillocks were lining up squealing “well what do you expect from a Labour government” two days after losing the election and having their toys taken away. It’s nothing to do with “poor choices” and everything to do with the Gammonista being tediously predictable.
Who did what two days after losing the general election?
It is hardly fair to blame the Tories for Keir Starmer's unprecedented unpopularity as PM so soon after winning a landslide victory.
The Artist's little rant was mostly nonsense imo but the claim that Starmer has alienated massive swathes of the country with his poor choices although not connected to the rest of the rant was a fair comment imo.
Indeed doesn't Starmer and the current cabinet openly admit that the "difficult decisions" they have taken has made them unpopular ?
The left are far, far more culpable of creating division than anyone else
Seriously that is not ageing well against the evidence of inequality; financial distribution and a ruinous societal landscape built on neoliberalism. That is of the right - not the left. That is the real source of division.
It's because the left have been forceably sidelined that technocratic cardboard failures like Starmer exist, and foolishly without an ounce of thought are still trying to fix all the right-wing damage with more market bullshit from the same failed understanding.
When is the penny going to drop with many?
There was a golden opportunity here with or without the EU to start to fix many of the UK's problems.
What's the point of such a massive majority if not to implement transformational policy?
The very essence of current decline.
You can absolutely trace nearly all of the current government's thinking to believing they need to get private money from a growing economy to fix all this.
It's delusional and a total dead-end to growth and for many of us who are struggling.
I can guarantee until they start pulling on those government deficits, shut up about PFI-alikes and making proper state investment the country is utterly doomed. There is only one source of money for a government with a central bank like the UK. Pretending otherwise is just bullshit and a propping of profit for private interest.
All the objective crying in the world about how bad the Tories and Reform are being is not going to fix Reeves and Starmer's really shit understanding of the economy and what it takes to transform society.
Indeed doesn’t Starmer and the current cabinet openly admit that the “difficult decisions” they have taken has made them unpopular ?
The difficult decisions chatter was a PR fail to give them a bit of rope.
It's not what people wanted to hear, and born out of poor quality understanding of how to gain economic traction.
It back-fired.
People have much much less tolerance with Labour's excuses.
What the Tories are doing today in trying to engineer a vote for a new enquiry into child sex cases is without doubt the most cynical piece of political opportunism I have ever seen. Even by their recent standards.
At a time when faith in politics and politicians is at an all time low, to try and pull a stunt like this, using rape victims (who they’ve never previously given a shit about) as pawns is absolutely shameful! They are utter scum!
to try and pull a stunt like this, using rape victims (who they’ve never previously given a shit about) as pawns is absolutely shameful! They are utter scum!
And presumably gives Starmer plenty of ammunition to go at them for it, citing the differing manifesto positions, the opinion of Baroness Jay on the matter, the consequences of not listening to experts....
Is there a PMQs today?
There is a PMQ’s today where I think it’s safe to assume Badanoch will lead on this.
I think, given that every Tory MP has been torn a new one when questioned about their own total lack of interest on the subject while in power, this isn’t going to be the clever move Kemi thinks it is.
This could backfire spectacularly if Starmer just points out the facts. But that’s what happens when you opportunistically jump on the bandwagon of an unhinged foreign billionaire and ally yourself with the likes of Tommy Robinson
They really do need to merge into reform.
At least then they will have, admittedly rather flimsy, response of "that was the tories not us" vs "we were in power?"
What the Tories are doing today in trying to engineer a vote for a new enquiry into child sex cases is without doubt the most cynical piece of political opportunism I have ever seen
"Child sex abuse victims have criticised Boris Johnson for claiming police funding was being "spaffed up the wall" investigating historical allegations.
The Tory MP said in an interview with LBC that "an awful lot of police time" was spent looking at "historic offences and all this malarkey"
There is a PMQ’s today where I think it’s safe to assume Badanoch will lead on this.
I think, given that every Tory MP has been torn a new one when questioned about their own total lack of interest on the subject while in power, this isn’t going to be the clever move Kemi thinks it is.
I agree with you, but the playground pantomime that is PMQs probably isn't best forum for him to get his points across as clearly as he needs to.
Who did what two days after losing the general election?
Plenty of people on my local community group for starters. I'm not going to scroll back through months of social media posts just for Internet Points so you'll just have to take my word for it. Or, not, I suppose.
It is hardly fair to blame the Tories for Keir Starmer’s unprecedented unpopularity as PM so soon after winning a landslide victory.
Is anyone doing that? Or by Tories do you mean Tory supporters?
Somehow in the discussion of “arguments” that appear to have come from Yaxley-Lennon (especially last night) the facts appear to have been lost that the Keir Starmer led Government have introduced a child safety bill that is going to be debated today. Calls to support the Tory amendment or for another inquiry will only delay the protection of children and young adults further. The interview on the Today programme yesterday between Nick Robinson and Jenrick is very revealing as to the duplicity, and stupidity of some of the band wagon jumpers on these tragedies. An article on the BBC website covers some of it and I would encourage some on here to widen their knowledge base away from X!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgngd52z71o
It is hardly fair to blame the Tories for Keir Starmer’s unprecedented unpopularity as PM so soon after winning a landslide victory.
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Is anyone doing that? Or by Tories do you mean Tory supporters?
I mean the "ruddy-faced pillocks" you mentioned here :
The ruddy-faced pillocks were lining up squealing “well what do you expect from a Labour government” two days after losing the election and having their toys taken away.
If Labour are considerably less popular than they were 6 months ago and you want to point an accusing finger I suggest that your target should be Starmer and his Cabinet, rather than Badenoch/Farage/ruddy-faced pillocks
According to a report in LabourList these are some of the reasons for the fall in Labour's popularity :
More in Common’s data also suggested that Labour’s move to cut the winter fuel allowance for some pensioners has had damaging cut through with voters.
Of the 2,015 people surveyed, 72% say it is at least as damaging for Labour as Partygate was for the Tories.
In addition, 59% said the same was the case about inheritance tax for farms, and 53 percent for the decision not to compensate WASPI women.
Minister ‘disappointed’ by poll claiming 1 in 4 Labour voters regret backing party
https://labourlist.org/2025/01/karin-smyth-labour-more-in-common/
I mean the “ruddy-faced pillocks” you mentioned here :
So, Tory supporters then, not the Tory party.
In which case, my point stands. They've been pissing and moaning from the outset, nothing has changed. How does their phrase go now, "we won you lost shut up and get over it"?
If Labour are considerably less popular than they were 6 months ago
Are they?
Ah, cross posts.
A drop in Labour's popularity amongst Labour voters is Labour's fault of course.
Well, as far as I can judge, Keir Starmer’s “performance” at Prime Minister’s question time was very good. Mims Davies on the other hand on the politics show reveals more band waggon jumping to try and disguise that the Tory performance whilst in power, was at best, inadequate.
I am fairly interested in politics but even I see PMQs as a complete waste of time. The less interested won't even be aware of PMQs let alone watch it.
Labour are less popular because from the start they have just come across as a bit shit. They may have done some things and put in progress some good things but not many people are aware of that due to they unnecessary and more highlighted negative things such as WFA which was not a priority to sort out by any means.
It’s not just PMQ’s though. Kemi Badanochs bandwagon-jumping is so obvious it’s viable from space. People aren’t stupid. Everyone knows full well that her and Jenrick and Co, now all clutching their pearls in horror, couldn’t give a shit about the victims of grooming gangs before last weekend. To try and maintain that they actually always did is just gaslighting and everyone knows it.
Summed up well by Rafael Behr in todays Guardian
Kemi Badenoch was supposed to make the Tories serious again. She has failed
By jumping on Elon Musk’s passing bandwagon and echoing the far right, the Conservative leader has shown she doesn’t understand her responsibilities
EDIT: Mims Davies is presently debasing herself on Five Live by parroting Badanochs complete cobblers about having previously shown any concern for this subject. Matt Charley’s first question: you have a new leader of the opposition. How do you think Elon Musk is doing in the role?
Hes now absolutely shredding her ridiculous claims
People aren’t stupid.
Not a sentence that you often see written on STW political threads.
Not a sentence that you often see written on STW political threads.
Keep up, they are ill informed rather that stupid. And a lot of those ill informed people will actually still be backing whatever shit Badenoch says as they don't like Labour whatever they do.
They are indeed, but it’s difficult to see how the Tories benefit from going head-to-head with Farage again, which Badanoch has now clearly signalled is the direction she intends to (willingly take the party
It’ll just be a repeat of last time, with a split right wing vote, with the beneficiaries only being Starmer and Ed Davey as moderate former Tory voters recoil from where the Tories are headed.
How do you think socially liberal ‘soft’ Tories feel about Kemi echoing Tommy Robinson, something even Nige drew the line at? I can hardly see her winning many voters back from the Lib Dems and frankly she’s so crap at this whole politics thing that she’s no chance taking on Farage
I’m sure Labour were quite happy watching her hypocrisy and opportunism yesterday. Unless you’ve been living in a cave for the last 14 years, it’s fairly easy to see it for what it is. Even the Tories usual right wing cheerleaders in the press were looking a bit squeamish about how wise it was to go down that particular road
Binners, that all sounds a lot like talking about Republican voters in the USA only a few years ago. In opposition, it could well be that the Tories can sell some mad right wing plan to the electorate to return to office, with plenty of "soft tories" holding their nose to give them another go after only one term of having "the left" in office.
The main thing is that over there the Republicans have a monopoly on unhinged Nationalist populism with Trump. Just like Boris had in 2019 when Nige had reversed his tanks off his lawn. That’s not the case any more. It’s now glaringly obvious that Kemi plans to try and out-Farage Farage on the right.
I’m sure that Labour and the Lib Dems are delighted that she’s made that decision instead of a return to more of a centre ground position
Mims Davies is presently debasing herself on Five Live by parroting Badanochs complete cobblers about having previously shown any concern for this subject.
Ahh yes, the shadow Welsh secretary who is most unfortunately also my MP and who's constituency is ...checks google maps...in East Sussex around 200 miles from the Welsh border.
But at least she's Welsh you say! Erm, well not exactly (not at all) but she studied at Swansea University 30 years ago so eminently well qualified, but I suspect her real qualifications are an unyielding loyalty to the rightwing cause. I think that along with Clackton we came out worst in the GE after a sneaky boundary change which would otherwise have seen us have a Lib Dem MP - my house is literally 100m from the constituency boundary
Ahh yes, the shadow Welsh secretary who is most unfortunately also my MP
Used to be my MP and even had a meeting with her. She offered some help with a matter but felt that she had no genuine interest in what I said. Not popular either locally.
Oooh ... Andy Burnham to replace the POS PM? Getting interesting.
Burnham isno different or better tban Starmer. Another weather vane politcian who will do and say anything to get a vote
Oooh … Andy Burnham to replace the POS PM? Getting interesting.
Andy Burnham has absolutely zero interest in returning to Westminster in any guise and why would he? With 70% of the vote in the last mayoral election, which reflects how he’s viewed by everyone other than the gammons in Manchester, why would he want to put himself through that?
binners, once you were funny, now you're hysterical!
The right wing, gammon, fascist, imbecile, knuckle draggers type rhetoric isn't going to work any more, or rather it will work the same way as it did in the US and deliver a victory for the opposition.
For my money, Badenock will still be party leader at the next GE and she'll likely win. The bookies have her and Farage at even Stevens [with a few more plumping for Farage] but I think Reform are like to continue to struggle to match their vote share with actual seats in Parliament.
The Labour front bench looks shattered already and they're only a few months in.
The Labour front bench looks shattered already and they’re only a few months in.
Agree. Looking at them in PMQs a few days ago they all look a lot older than they did 6 months ago, Reeves looked like her crap decisions are really taking a toll now. Oh well, they get a well? deserved rest in 4.5 years when they go back to being the opposition.
For my money, Badenock will still be party leader at the next GE and she’ll likely win. The bookies have her and Farage at even Stevens [with a few more plumping for Farage] but I think Reform are like to continue to struggle to match their vote share with actual seats in Parliament.
Can you personally afford to live comfortably with the kind of policies Badenoch or Farage will implement?
Areas to consider; blockers to affordable healthcare, removal of work protections, increased costs for non-public sector services due to reduction in public services, lack of control over utilities and increasing bills, increased private rental costs and less protection etc etc.
Also expect an attack on all benefits, including pensioner ones (as non-working benefits are the greatest cost).
What gains are you expecting, presumably you benefited hugely from the previous 14 years of Tory Govts (what areas)?
Oh, and we can't avoid Brexit - this was obviously your key policy, what are the key benefits here (and when are they turning up)?
Can you personally afford to live comfortably with the kind of policies Badenoch or Farage will implement?
I won't be able to live comfortably with current labour policies, I recon I have taken around a 25% hit on my earning in the past 5 years already, and austerity is still biting the masses while further enriching the oligarchs. IMO it is those who can afford to live comfortably already that are so keen on labours current path, they have bought the right wing rhetoric that change can't be afforded, they are the ones that are neutral to austerity and just don't want to believe how hard it is hitting those poorer, (and/or younger) those who don't have assets and are having any possibility of getting assets steadily removed from them.
I recon I have taken around a 25% hit on my earning in the past 5 years already
I appreciate the point about ongoing austerity, but if you can't afford to live under Labour you've got no chance in he'll under the party that was in power the first 4.5 years of that period.
Anyone know if it's true that no Reform MPs, defenders of our rights and freedoms, were in Parliament for the child protection debate yesterday?
but if you can’t afford to live under Labour you’ve got no chance in he’ll under the party that was in power the first 4.5 years of that period.
Well I hope that at some point labour wake up and smell the roses, and the only way that is going to happen is if they start to feel the disapproval of the electorate. That won't be with Starmer and Reeves at the helm though, they are absolutely believers in neoliberal dogma.
Just being less worse than the last shower of shit isn't good enough, beating a five year old shouldn't make me the a world boxing champion, being smarter than a lettuce doesn't make someone capable of running a country.
How about we start wanting some positive change, just accepting a slight slow down in the shitifacation of life, isn't good enough.