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I’m sure Boris and chums go all Misty-eyed in awe of their brilliance
They probably thought they’d never be that lucky again. Until now, where they can literally hold parties while people are dying and locked in their homes and still come up smelling of roses.
Starmer’s dream team have been outplayed, outfought and outfoxed by the likes of Johnson, Truss, Raab, Dorries and Rees-Mogg. That takes a special level of incompetence far beyond anything we’ve seen before.
it’s difficult to imagine a dream team more effective at delivering power with a thumping great majority!
… for the Tory’s
Yup, the PLP did a blinding job. The Tories must have been particularly impressed when Starmer was part of a coordinated front bench mass resignation to maximize the damage to the then Labour leader.
Starmer could not have possibly done more to help the Tories.
Cat is shocked by the confusion of possessive nouns and plurals.
Cat is shocked by the confusion of possessive nouns and plurals.
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Yes of course, mass Labour front bench resignations did nothing to help the Tories, only a cat wearing a foil hat would think that.
I’m less interested in Starmer and more interested in why the parliamentary labour party appear to have no interest in winning the next election.
The Labour Party has become a middle-class protest movement. It now exists solely to protest and complain about the Tories.
It doesn't exist to offer any sort of radical alternative.
And complaining is easy, it comes without responsibility. Complaining about Tories is particularly easy, for obvious reasons.
However under the previous leadership the PLP was expected to offer an alternative vision to the one offered by the Tories. And, argue the case.
Which I'm sure you'll agree sounds like hard work.
Now however the PLP is back in safe and familiar territory..... back to simply complaining about the Tories. And if voters fancy giving them a chance they'll have a go at doing what the Tories are doing but better. If not, no worries, they'll just carrying on complaining about the Tories.
Which I’m sure you’ll agree sounds like hard work.
Absolutely. I’ve been saying for some time now that labour MPs have no interest in beating the tories because just being an MP is an achievement for them. All they have to do is maintain that. Sticking their necks out to try to achieve more means risking their 80k salaries and over-inflated status. Similarly for Starmer the pinnacle of his career is being leader of the party rather than PM. He’s like the chair of a large company who is in post for a limited 5 year term before he retires.
Where Corbyn went wrong is he dared to achieve more than simply being in a position of power. He risked his career in order to change things and he’s sacrificed a lot for that. That’s why he inspired those who support him and enraged those opposed to him. He held a mirror to every self-serving empty vessel careerist labour MP and they didn’t like being exposed.
Today's Labour Party summed up in one picture by binners.
To be fair to them, it’s difficult to imagine a dream team more effective at delivering power with a thumping great majority!
I mean just let Starmer, Reeves and Streeting roll off the tongue.
Stand in awe at their achievements thus far.
Luke warm Tory mouthpieces and still barely making a dent.
Luke warm Tory mouthpieces and still barely making a dent.
Barely making a dent? They're been ahead of the Tories in all the polls for months now, with the local elections approaching.
What exactly is it you want? Apart from shouty clips on Twitter, obviously? We all miss those, don't we?
Rachel Reeves has just been on Radio 4 saying how they intend to focus on the cost of living crisis during the local election campaign and stress the labour proposal for a windfall tax on the energy companies to be used to reduce household energy bills.
Sounds pretty sensible to me, and exactly what the labour party should be doing, surely?
coordinated front bench mass resignation to maximize the damage to the then Labour leader.
You've posted a tin foil hat wearing cat after this statement Binbins- do you think that it didn't happen and is just a conspiracy theory?
Of course it happened. It was a reaction to the totally ineffective uselessness of those at the head of the party. What also happened was the beardy messiah losing a vote of no confidence by 172 votes to 40 amongst his own MPs. That proved to be somewhat prosaic as he went on to lose two elections and hand an enormous majority to the Tories
So, I don't buy this ludicrous alternative-reality narrative that if those MPs had just shut up and gone along with Grandad that we'd now be living in some socialist utopia
Its pure fantasy! A comforting balm for the common room.
Anyway... back to today. I'll ask again...
The labour party has been ahead of the Tories in all the polls for months now, with the local elections approaching. From a starting point of -24 in the polls when the socialist dream team belatedly shuffled off to the allotment
So... once again... what exactly is it that you want?
Not a conspiracy theory then you just posted the tin foil hat cat on accident?
So… once again… what exactly is it that you want?
Well under the previous leadership you set the bar fairly high binners, you claimed that Labour should have had a 20% lead over the Tories.
Now under Starmer, your messiah who will save Labour, you appear to be extremely satisfied with Labour having just a 2% lead over the Tories, which is what the latest opinion poll shows.
Still, I guess it's because things are going so swimmingly for the Tories, it can't possibly be Starmer's fault that Labour only has a 2% lead, eh?
Oh and Corbyn..... it's probably also Corbyn's fault.
And covid.
Plus the war in Ukraine.
Probably Johnson too for being so slippery.
Definitely not Starmer's.
do you think that it didn’t happen and is just a conspiracy theory?
I read that as surprised about the fact that Ernie suggests that Starmer had some sort of major role in it when it was organised by Hilary Benn and Tom Watson. And in the reshuffle after Corbyn's 2nd win in October he made Starmer Shadow Brexit secretary, it seems an odd move to promote someone who had been apparently actively campaigning against you.
So… once again… what exactly is it that you want?
I think Starmer will win (Boris will lose) What I want is him to do something worthwhile when he gets into office. Noises he is making suggests he wont.
Not a conspiracy theory then you just posted the tin foil hat cat on accident?
The conspiracy theory nonsense (so beloved of 'the left') is that by labour MPs expressing how useless Old Magic was, with a vote of no confidence, that this somehow prevented the glorious revolution
It's simply a ludicrous fantasy that those in the sixth form like to comfort themselves with to save themselves from facing the reality.... That I've got more chance of becoming the next pope than Jeremy Corbyn ever had of becoming PM
Anyway... back to the real world... at the risk of becoming repetitive (perish the thought)...
The labour party has been ahead of the Tories in all the polls for months now, with the local elections approaching. From a starting point of -24 in the polls when the socialist dream team belatedly shuffled off to the allotment
So… once again… what exactly is it that you want?
And in the reshuffle after Corbyn’s 2nd win in October he made Starmer Shadow Brexit secretary, it seems an odd move to promote someone who had been apparently actively campaigning against you.
The daft git probably thought he could appease the blairites.
Look how he tolerated Margaret Hodge publicly calling him a racist. And compare that with how the right-wing are now expelling anyone with the vaguest hint of dissent.
The conspiracy theory nonsense is that by labour MPs expressing how useless Old Magic was, with a vote of no confidence, that this somehow prevented the glorious revolution
Its simply a ludicrous fantasy that those in the sixth form like to comfort themselves with to save themselves from facing the reality…. That I’ve got more chance of becoming the next pope than Jeremy Corbyn ever had of becoming PM
You don't know what a conspiracy theory is.
Now under Starmer, your messiah who will save Labour, you appear to be extremely satisfied with Labour having just a 2% lead over the Tories, which is what the latest opinion poll shows.
Just to repeat, Comrade; When Starmer took over from the sainted one, Labour were 24 points adrift of the Tories in the polls after an absolutely catastrophic election loss.
Everything's relative
What I want is him to do something worthwhile when he gets into office. Noises he is making suggests he wont.
History has shown us that once in office Labour leaders become much more right-wing. There is nothing to suggest that in the extremely unlikely event of Labour winning the next general election Starmer will behave any different.
So expect Starmer to be like he is now but more right-wing.
Yeah I know, it's hard to imagine.
The daft git probably thought he could appease the blairites.
Uh-huh, or he was casting around for any warm bodies to fill vacant shadow cabinet places, wasn't there an octogenarian filling one post?
I think you can fairly blame Starmer for a number of things, conspiring to oust Corbyn in 2016 isn't one of them
Absolutely. I’ve been saying for some time now that labour MPs have no interest in beating the tories because just being an MP is an achievement for them. All they have to do is maintain that. Sticking their necks out to try to achieve more means risking their 80k salaries and over-inflated status. Similarly for Starmer the pinnacle of his career is being leader of the party rather than PM. He’s like the chair of a large company who is in post for a limited 5 year term before he retires.
@dazh - replace Labour with SNP and Starmer with Sturgeon and you've captured the position in Scotland really well. If Labour pointed out the carrot-dangling rather than blindly thrashing about, fighting against independence with a party that doesn't want independence in the first place, they might get somewhere north of the border. Who knows, that might actually kick-start something.
Everything’s relative
Shall we stick with the "real world" and see how many seats he has actually won with an increased majority since 2019?
Libdems have done well but this great new labour. Not so much.
The daft git probably thought he could appease the blairites.
The biggest mistake Corbyn made was not being ruthless enough to get rid of the blairite arseholes. That happened because fundamentally he's a decent bloke who instinctively rejects confrontation and conflict, but it was a huge error.
History has shown us that once in office Labour leaders become much more right-wing. There is nothing to suggest that in the extremely unlikely event of Labour winning the next general election Starmer will behave any different
So Corbyn would have been a filthy Centrists and having him as PM would have been totally pointless?
Everything’s relative
When it's pointed out that Labour did relatively well in 2017, you point out that can't be true because they still lost. Have you changed your mind? Or are you going to do your usual trick of denying what you said?
When it’s pointed out that Labour did relatively well in 2017, you point out that can’t be true because they still lost. Have you changed your mind?
Relatively well?
Well how absolutely ****ing fantastic for us all!
They lost! FFS!! Thats the only thing that matters!
Not losing as badly as everyone expected then being celebrated as some kind of victory just highlights to me the utterly delusional and bizarre world inhabited by those on 'The Left'
It's madness! More specifically it allowed a man wholly unfit for the roll to carry on, when he should have been long gone, and gift wrap a huge majority for Johnson two years later after another period of flailing, rudderless uselessness
How you can view the 2017 election result as anything other than an absolute unmitigated disaster (for it has got us where we are) absolutely baffles me. You're all insane!
So Corbyn would have been a filthy Centrists and having him as PM would have been totally pointless?
He would more than likely have become less left-wing, yes. He moved more to the centre when he became leader.
When you are trying to unite a party against a common enemy a certain level of comprise is required. In contrast backbenchers can enjoy the luxury of being more maverick, which is actually quite an important role.
But had Corbyn become PM he would have governed as a social democrat so significantly different to the Tories. Even fairly right-wing social democrats are significantly different to neo-liberal free market Thatcherites.
Uh-huh, or he was casting around for any warm bodies to fill vacant shadow cabinet places, wasn’t there an octogenarian filling one post?
Well he chose a committed remainer for the role of shadow brexit sec so I think there was a clear political purpose in the appointment.
Somehow binners repeatedly manages to move the thread away from the subject matter, his Labour Party messiah Starmer, and gets it onto Corbyn.
Your arguments are weak binners but your ability to derail impressive. I'll give you that.
Although to be fair it's something that you have worked very hard at for a long time, so you should be getting quite good at it by now.
Although to be fair it’s something that you have worked very hard at for a long time, so you should be getting quite good at it by now.
I think its more just Starmer isnt doing anything noticeable. What we need is someone to come up with a hilarious gag that they repeat everytime Starmer is invisible. Maybe he is busy down the allotments? Bonus points for a few crap photos as well.
The 2017 election was a nightmare scenario for the tories due to Brexit and everything else, and they still won enough to keep going, even worse, it brought us Boris as the PM.
The fact that they called a new election 2 years later tells you how much labour fell away, and a lot of that was down to how Corbyn and his team were so easily ripped apart and made out as incompetent by the tories.
I get the feeling a few on here hark back to the 70s and would love nothing more than a trade unionist to be at the helm of the party again, but the UK have repeatedly shown that they wouldn't vote far left, the UK is more of a centrist country, with error bars that move slightly left and right now and again, Brexit shifted that right, the results have started moving it back left, but i seriously doubt voters would back a far left leader campaigning for social democracy, as they would never be able to sell it as that, they always turn into trade union spokespeople on a platform when discussing this stuff.
Somehow binners repeatedly manages to move the thread away from the subject matter, his Labour Party messiah Starmer, and gets it onto Corbyn.
It wasn't me who brought Grandad up. It never is
Its you lot going misty-eyed and harking back to it and re-writing history as if it was some mythical golden age, when in reality it was an absolute disaster!
The only things that matter are that Labour has been consistently ahead in the polls for months now and so there's maybe the glimmer of hope that we may actually have a non-Tory government (probably as some form of coalition). Somethign there hasn't been a cat in hells chance of for far too long. The vote-repelling idealogical purity of 'The Left' put paid to that
I think its more just Starmer isnt doing anything noticeable. What we need is someone to come up with a hilarious gag that they repeat everytime Starmer is invisible. Maybe he is busy down the allotments? Bonus points for a few crap photos as well.
As Napoleon once said never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake, the press and opposition are desperate to get soundbites they can use to quieten anything about partygate, displaced Ukrainians, etc.
History has shown us that once in office Labour leaders become much more right-wing. There is nothing to suggest that in the extremely unlikely event of Labour winning the next general election Starmer will behave any different.
Has history shown us that, which specific examples do you have and how far back are you going.
As Labour have only been in power a few times it is difficult to draw the conclusion you have.
The only things that matter are that Labour has been consistently ahead in the polls for months now
Just a reminder that this hasnt been reflected in actual results. You know the thing that actually matters in the real world? The results have, been to put it politely, shit.
Try and be honest with yourself for once. If it was Corbyn in charge now you would be blowing your mind ranting and raving and regurgitating whatever shite the hard right press had dreamt up today.
The vote-repelling idealogical purity of ‘The Left’ put paid to that
And voila we have the mindless regurgitation of the hard right attack lines.
Expand on that and give examples. Not just moronic soundbites.
Has history shown us that?
Blair and Brown will never been forgiven for their treachery in winning elections
And in reply to any question regarding 13 years in power...
IRAQ!!
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And voila we have the mindless regurgitation of the hard right attack lines.
Ah yes... and we're back to the usual
Anyone who doesn't believe in the great socialist dawn that was so unfairly snatched away from the anointed one in 2017 is a fascist?
The 2017 election was a nightmare scenario for the tories due to Brexit and everything else, and they still won enough to keep going, even worse, it brought us Boris as the PM.
You do realise that the Tories had absolutely no need whatsoever to call a general election in 2017, don't you?
There had been a general election just 2 years earlier and they had a very comfortable working majority.
Just to remind you.
I get the feeling a few on here hark back to the 70s
Nope. I don't know about anyone else but I'm looking forward. Forward at a looming climate catastrophe and economic collapse fuelled by resource depletion and the collapse of life support systems across the planet. In the meantime we get to enjoy ever greater reduction in living standards while the rich accumulate more wealth that they can never spend. This is all the direct result of neoliberal market capitalism and barely disguised kleptocratic politics. It needs to change, and change fast or we're headed into oblivion within our lifetimes.
Anyone who doesn’t believe in the great socialist dawn that was so unfairly snatched away from the anointed one in 2017 is a fascist?
Ermm no that is not what I said. Maybe go and ask one of those sixth formers for some help in basic political comprehension. Actually scratch that probably best to start with the primary school kids since shouldnt aim to high to soon.
There had been a general election just 2 years earlier and they had a very comfortable working majority.
It is amusing to see how history has been rewritten isnt it? How the situation going into the election was immediately erased from history.
They lost! FFS!! Thats the only thing that matters!
I see. So when you said "all things are relative" you didn't mean it. Gotcha.