He needs people to come away thinking “too much”
Oh give over, it's self indulgent narcissism. How long before he says 'and I'll tell you another thing...' whilst waving his finger? 😄
Which section would you have cut? Obviously plenty of it wasn't aimed at you, or me, or conference attendees.
No humility about the Iraq war
That war the tories voted for too you mean?
And BTW this is going on far too long.
It's not though is it, the only people watching it in full are party supporters or political pundits. Everyone else will get a soundbite on the news or social media and he has created a lot of those to be posted for days to come
So many people complained not knowing what he stood for, well it is all laid out now if people want to go and listen. If it was shorted, he would get attacked for lacking substance.
Okkkkkkk, switching off now.
You were right to. It went where you expected... British Values (as he lists values that citizens of any country should hold dear).
If it was shorted, he would get attacked for lacking substance.
This. He had to touch every policy area he did, and make each one connect to people and to make it personal to him. He's long been seen as impersonal, and he had to change that, not in the abstract but connected to how Labour would govern differently to the Conservatives. Will any of it stick? Who knows. His delivery probably still lacked the warmth and charm needed.
He’s doing ok, better than I expected. Still not convinced.
Still thinking this.
Well it was never going to be sweeping oratory, but overall I think that a was pretty good conference speech. It does seem like something has definitely clicked in the last couple of days. Hopefully it's a sign of more to come and taking the gloves off with going on the offensive against this bunch of clowns.
The mental health funding is a big one as well as the £28 billion a year green commitment
His delivery probably still lacked the warmth and charm needed.
Agreed but not everyone can be charismatic unfortunately.
He covered all the big topics and not really sure there was much the general public would disagree with
20% more charisma and he'd win the next election. He still might.
The problem for us lefties is even if he does win will he do anything worthwhile? This speech suggests no.
Also SKS doesn't have to apologise for Iraq. It's ages ago. 3 or 4 wars since!
(People celebrating Blair need to hear about Iraq though)
I think slagging off the SNP is counter-productive TBH.
Why? their records on drug death and education is woeful, they can't get handed a free pass just because they're not the Tories. Labour need to win back Scottish seats
He covered all the big topics and not really sure there was much the general public would disagree with
Aye, utterly vacuous and banal.
Just making the noise of a politician.
We don't need another charismatic clown do we? Competence and common sense please, down the middle of politics. Merkel was no orator or charismatic leader, but I'd have her over our bunch.
The problem for us lefties is even if he does win will he do anything worthwhile?
Well, reversing the destruction of children’s mental health services, especially support for schools, was one specific worthwhile thing he mentioned that I can recall straight away. But that’s an area close to me heart, so I would remember it. They’ll be plenty of analysis and questioning over the next few days that’ll highlight others, I suspect.
even if he does win will he do anything worthwhile? This speech suggests no.
Green New Deal not worthwhile?
I enjoyed how he stumbled slightly when clearly avoiding saying Andy Burnham's name. 😆
Also SKS doesn’t have to apologise for Iraq. It’s ages ago.
I'm not saying he has to apologise for it but the triumphalism about new labour is a bit tasteless, imo. I'm not denying they did do some good things but there was a lot of bad too.
Why? their records on drug death and education is woeful
The SNP are far from perfect and do get an easy ride in Scotland but slagging off another centre-left party that has a lot of support just comes across as churlish imo.
Same here Kelvin. I've got two teenage daughters and this one really stuck out for me. Theres been a huge increase in mental health issues in this age group after the last couple of years that they've endured and this government frankly couldn't give a toss. It was great to hear that this is a serious (and funded) priority
And again it highlights that they're prepared to address areas that the Torys would like to pretend don't even exist
Green New Deal not worthwhile?
As he talked for almost 1hr 30mins and it was one of the only policies he vaguely hinted at - can you explain what it is?
but slagging off another centre-left party that has a lot of support just comes across as churlish imo.
Again, politically he has no choice, how else are you going to get Scottish Labour back on it's feet and fighting? In a world with PR (in which we'll likely never see a Labour majority govt ever again, buts that's another argument I guess) maybe you don't, but in a FTPT system Labour need those SNP seats. It's that simple
As he talked for almost 1hr 30mins and it was one of the only policies he vaguely hinted at – can you explain what it is?
28 billion pound investment a year, for 8 years, in green investment. Thats a proper commitment, not some vague noises like the waffle about kermit the frog we had from Johnson at the UN last week. Rachel Reeves actually announced it a couple of days ago
Rule one if you are trying to get people behind the Labour party today… DON’T MENTION THE WAR.
Or the Brexit.
28 billion pound investment a year, for 8 years, in green investment.
Whats that mean? Investment in what?
Summary briefed to the press just now…
The next Labour government will launch a “national mission” to make every home in the country warm, well insulated and cheaper to heat within a decade, Keir Starmer announced today.
The Labour leader’s plans would cut carbon emissions, create hundreds of thousands of jobs, and save families over £400 a year on energy bills, easing the burden on working families.
This “national mission” would mean upgrading 19m homes in a decade, requiring £6bn annual investment.
The plan will provide security to working families, helping to ensure the lights don’t go out and making households less vulnerable to surges in energy prices.
Upgrading the energy efficiency of Britain’s housing is critical to putting the country on track to tackle the climate emergency.
The government’s own Committee on Climate Change has said all buildings need to be to a high energy-efficiency standard over the next 10-15 years, but two in every three homes in England currently fall below that standard.
I guess that’s a major chunk of it.
As he talked for almost 1hr 30mins and it was one of the only policies he vaguely hinted at – can you explain what it is?
"So it will be Labour’s national mission over the next decade, to fit out every home that needs it, to make sure it is warm, well-insulated and costs less to heat and we will create thousands of jobs in the process.
"I can also pledge that we will also introduce a Clean Air Act and everything we do in government will have to meet a “net zero” test to ensure that the prosperity we enjoy does not come at the cost of the climate."
Upgrading 19 million homes in a decade, costing £6bn a year from the £26bn pot announced by Rachel Reeves
-Upgrading 19 million homes so that they reach a minimum energy efficiency of EPC Band C
-Providing grants to low-income households and low interest loans to those able to pay to cover the cost of retrofitting
-Supporting up to 500,000 jobs
-Working with local and combined authorities, and the private sector, to recruit and train staff to upgrade housing
-Fitting homes with insulation, double glazing, upgraded home heating systems, and other renewable technologies
Any of that you disagree with or see as vacuous?
Or the Brexit.
He didn’t address this in the way I’d like, but he did use the “B” word, and probably handled it in a way more people can get behind (my way would just annoy far too many voters, obviously).
Home insulation isn't a big issue for me.
I don't own a home and most people I know can't and never will be able to afford one.
Might have been good to tackle something like that.
What did he say about Brexit?
Might have been good to tackle something like that.
He did mention that rising rent was one of the biggest issues facing people.
Even if you rent, you still live in a building. That building probably needs to be made more energy efficient. It’s not just home owners who pay energy bills to heat poorly insulated buildings.
Home insulation isn’t a big issue for me.
I don’t own a home and most people I know can’t and never will be able to afford one.
Might have been good to tackle something like that.
So you don't have energy bills?
Don't think 500k new jobs is beneficial?
Don't think accelerating the path to net zero is important?
Don't think tackling one of the major causes of fuel poverty matters?
Just, it doesn't help me so I don't care about the rest of society?
What did he say about Brexit?
I’ll leave someone else to tell you that, I’ll just be off on one of my rants if I try to!
But he didn’t avoid the word.
Home insulation isn’t a big issue for me.
Rent? Want lower energy bills?
There's a report this morning that says that the UK domestic gas boilers emit No2 and Co2 at levels that mean they probably need to become illegal in the next couple of years if we're to meet our climate change obligations, that needs to be both affordable and enforceable. Green energy and it's associated environmental issues is going to be the Brexit of the next 10 years. Do you want the Tories to "get it done" for you?
So you don’t have energy bills?
Don’t think 500k new jobs is beneficial?
Don’t think accelerating the path to net zero is important?Just, it doesn’t help me so I don’t care about the rest of society?
I don't personally care about saving £30 or so on heating.
It's generally a good thing but it's a sticker plaster policy.
It doesn't tackle the root of any problem - energy ownership, housing, rent, work, benefits etc
Agree with Copa. What's this insulation made of? Where is it coming from? Who gets rich off it? Can you imagine the Tories doing it?
NB this is not strictly anti Keir it's more anti the short sightedness of most green measures. Subsidies for power stations that burn wood ffs!
Energy efficiency in new houses should be the priority.
Old houses were not designed to be insulated to the gunnels. My house had cavity wall insulation- it was a disaster, we had to get it removed.
BTW renationalisation of water would cost £14.5 billion.
I’ve got two teenage daughters and this one really stuck out for me.
Don't disagree, I've got a 17 year old with problems caused by the pandemic. But lets be honest, if all a labour govt achieves is a marginal improvement in mental health provision (and that's all it will be) then that would be a massive failure in a time where almost revolutionary change needs to occur to combat climate change and other problems. They need to think much bigger, and I get little sense that Starmer or any of the labour front bench (apart from Ed Miliband maybe) understand that.
Energy efficiency in new houses should be the priority.
He pointed out in his speech that when Labour left power they had in place regulations that all new homes would be low carbon, it was the Tories that got rid of the Code for Sustainable Homes. Labour put in place what you want previously, why don't you think they would again? Housing stock turns over too slowly in this country to ignore retrofits
14.5bn is less than half of what was handed over to SERCO, pretty good value in my book.
NB when I saw the red into blue LP flag I assumed it had been photoshopped. Silly me.
But lets be honest, if all a labour govt achieves is a marginal improvement in mental health provision (and that’s all it will be) then that would be a massive failure in a time where almost revolutionary change needs to occur to combat climate change and other problems.
Mate... honestly. Much as I love you, you are becoming Marvin. We presently have a government that don't give a flying **** about either climate change or kids mental health. So I'd rather have one that says it will take both seriously
So I’d rather have one that says it will take both seriously
There's a big difference between saying it and doing it. I'm not interested in a labour govt which promises things, I want one that does them.
I'd take him over the Tories all day of course. I'm not excited by the speech though.
But maybe his boring, sensible personality will be a vote winner.
Why do you assume they won't do it? It just comes across as looking for excuses to not vote Labour and thereby keeping the Tories in power.
There’s a big difference between saying it and doing it. I’m not interested in a labour govt which promises things, I want one that does them.
The only way you will find out is it they get into power. The vote is a gamble as with any party but I prefer the odds of even a Starmer Labour party over any Tory party.
Who lives in a constituency that could flip?
I do. It's been Tory for 4 elections but always close-ish
I’d take him over the Tories all day of course. I’m not excited by the speech though.
This a position I can completely understand. There are a bunch of posters who make it sound like they would rather the status quo if they can't have a radical transformative agenda, which I don't get. I would like radical and transformative but I would take the good bits of the New Labour years without the bad bits over another term of the Tories.
Who lives in a constituency that could flip?
It was Labour here under Blair, and has been strongly Conservative ever since, except in 2017 when Labour were "this close" to taking the seat.
Who lives in a constituency that could flip?
Marginal seat here that regularly swaps between the two main parties. I presently have an absolutely useless Brexiteer Boris fan boi Tory MP sat an a whopping great majority of 100 votes.
