Politics is a rung on the ladder of his career, it is more important for him to be leader than to transform and improve the lives of the population, their hopes and futures.
it is the reverse of this though isn't it which lots of Labour members don't seem to get. His current stance of winning is more important than unity is the correct one, no one gets lifted out of poverty by them being focussed on uniting rather than winning and he can't win only appealing to traditional Labour voters, they don't have the numbers, they have to win back the traditional seats, Scotland and a bunch of centre right swing voters
His current stance of winning is more important than unity is the correct one
It's fine as long as his plan is to get in power then ignore all the dumb austerity stuff etc they are putting out now - like the way he lied in his leadership election but the other way round.
If he's not, then god help us...
It’s fine as long as his plan is to get in power then ignore all the dumb austerity stuff etc they are putting out now – like the way he lied in his leadership election but the other way round.
If he’s not, then god help us…
Does this sound like a return to austerity?
https://twitter.com/rachelreevesmp/status/1442007958611652608
Everybody ready for some stirring inspiring stuff?
I wonder if he'll get heckled by Piers Corbyn?
So what are the chances of this speech being destroyed by lefty hecklers? Quite high I would think, so I hope he's prepared. Probably what he and Mandelson wants though if the last 12 months is anything to go by. The news will all be about Starmer vs Lefties, rather than anything about what he's going to do to beat Boris.
Good start. Turn the bloody music off! 😂
so I hope he’s prepared
Well, he was.
Well, he was.
By calling them tories?
The news will all be about Starmer vs Lefties
Hopefully.
Who's the script writer? They're very good. He's not even fluffing it that much. A bit stumbly, not entirely natural, a bit flat... but not awful.
Hopefully.
Yeah, perhaps he should put a monty python picture up on the screen. 🙄
I don't think it's even required
The justice part of this speech is brilliant. It feels like he wrote this bit himself.
I don’t think it’s even required
I just despair that people 'on the left' are ridiculed and hated so much by those in the centre. If you and others put half as much energy into attacking the tories as you do 'lefties' then we'd be a lot better off. Instead we've got to the point where people who believe in equality and justice are branded as 'soft' or 'loonies', and then wonder how we ended up with things like brexit. We get what we deserve.
Yeah, it's Binners' fault that people are heckling what might be the only Labour leader's speech before an election.
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Perhaps if those on 'the left' want top be taken seriously, maybe they should consider not acting like the walking cliche of a bunch of student protestors?
Just a thought
Exactly what do they hope to achieve by heckling the leader of the labour party at his first party conference?
As has already been noted, I doubt its a juxtaposition that will do him much harm outside the common room
Yeah, it’s Binners fault that people are heckling what might be the only Labour leader’s speech
If you start a fight with people, chances are they'll retaliate. He's (Starmer not binners) fighting the wrong people. The people on the left are not enemies, they're natural allies, the people who will get the vote out and bypass the tory press. Instead he ridicules them and feeds into the culture war that props up Boris. It's self-defeating.
Instead we’ve got to the point where people who believe in equality and justice are branded as ‘soft’ or ‘loonies’,
Not here they are not and in the wider public the people who always felt that still do, evidenced by continual Tory governments - it is what those people actually want.
The people on the left are not enemies, they’re natural allies, the people who will get the vote out and bypass the tory press.
Not if they don't like Starmer and are still in a world where Corbyn is leader they won't.
Natural allies?
Daz.... These people aren't trying to make a political point. They're singing "Ooooooo Jeremy Corbyn"
Seriously... the very embodiment of sixth form level lefty idiots
You couldn't make it up
This part on care, the NHS, ageing population, prevention, mental health, support for schools, recruitment... also spot on.
[ his talk about a Robot has me picturing him as Kryten though... free gift for the satirists there ]
Not if they don’t like Starmer
Most of them voted for Starmer. He could have done this speech with unanimous support and momentum behind him by simply sticking to his promises. Instead he chose to fight his own party. It may look good in the papers and provide some drama for the political soap opera, but it won't win him an election.
He says Labour would “shift the priority in the NHS away from emergency care, towards prevention”.
The Lansley reforms of 2012 had this embedded in them, and they were roundly ignored. I like the sound of it, but in reality I think that folks won't take kindly to "intrusive" health interventions
Let him have his time in the scripted spotlight.
(Ian Dunt tweeting all the best bits of Starmer's scipt, like some sort of excited Liberal interpreter.)
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1443178702729355269?s=20
Clue: Boris Johnson is a bad man.
Starmer is a fundamentally dishonest polictian who's incapable of delivering anything that the electorate actually want. Nothing about his speech changes this.
The same people who get excited about PMQs will get aroused by this.
Move along nothing to see.
Instead he chose to fight his own party.
Well, it's all out in the open now isn't it? He's said it himself, winning is more important that unity to him. So will those who find his ideologies less appealing form their own party d'you think?
So will those who find his ideologies less appealing form their own party d’you think?
Of course they won't. Why would they give their party up to someone who doesn't believe in its core principles?
I see he's just guaranteed every school kid will have access to a career advisor. Radical stuff!
Agree about his focus on technology as regards eduction.
[ but I am picturing Kryten again ]
[ or maybe Jen from the IT Crowd ]
Move along nothing to see.
Got to love an open mind.
What's wrong with the "showman with nothing left to show" line? It's exactly the message the voters need to be thinking about. Yes, Johnson was fun, a breath of fresh air, but what exactly is the clown doing for us right now?
Clue: Boris Johnson is a bad man.
Yes, he is. But rather then tell the voters who voted for him that they are fools, poor judges of character, that they are part of the problem, rather than let them conclude that you think they are bad people.... tell them that Johnson isn't working out for them, that in office he is flailing around, his time is up already, and try and persuade them that you are the better option for the future.
Yeah, it’s Binners’ fault that people are heckling what might be the only Labour leader’s speech before an election.
If this was happening to Corbyn I don't doubt for a moment that you and binners would be furiously victim-blaming him for 'failing to bring the party with him' or something.
Reading this you would think the whole hall is heckling but its a couple of noisy people and most of the hall applauding him, he got a standing ovation when he came on, he is not lacking support
"My father was a toolmaker -I suppose you could say the same about Boris Johnson dad."
Genius!!!!
Christ he's endorsing Lexit now.
Yeah, it’s Binners’ fault that people are heckling what might be the only Labour leader’s speech before an election.
If this was happening to Corbyn I don’t doubt for a moment that you and binners would be furiously victim-blaming him for ‘failing to bring the party with him’ or something.
Hey, I was out there trying to persuade people to vote Labour under Corbyn, having never voted for Labour myself before he became leader. But, yeah, Labour conference attendees heckling their leader at their first, and maybe only, conference speech is a great chance to have a dig at me, rather than blame anyone other than the hecklers. There are days of debates at conference, but the leader's speech is a rare opportunity to set the political news agenda in Labour's favour.
He's doing ok, better than I expected. Still not convinced.
He’s doing ok, better than I expected. Still not convinced.
My summary also.
I think if he hadn't done the leadership election changes he wouldn't be getting heckled.
However I do think don't bother heckling. BUT a lot of this speech is bolx. eg He had the chance to show his appreciation to nurses by calling for a bigger pay rise.
Labour conference attendees heckling their leader at their first
And it was completely unnecessary. This is what I'm most depressed about. I don't actually disagree with anything he's said, and the green investment stuff is great (even if not nearly enough in the long run), but he goes and wrecks it by picking a fight with the lefties to impress the tory press.
I can only hope that when all said and done it's just a PR strategy. I can swallow a fight with the left if it results in a labour govt which does all the things they're supposed to do once in power. But if like Blair it results in a labour govt that is too scared to change things in the interests of working people, then it's pointless.
The hecklers are making themselves look bad that is for sure.
Long standing ovation again, he has really turned the members against him...
Uh oh, he's listing things Labour did in government. I mean, it probably needs doing, but there is no easier way to drive a wedge between Labour's different supporters.
I think if he hadn’t done the leadership election changes he wouldn’t be getting heckled.
There were lots of "£15" heckles.. the artificial division that was created only this week to use as a rallying call. He was going to get heckled come what may.
And BTW this is going on far too long. He's in danger of being called Fidel Starmer at this rate.
lol at all the Blair cultists wetting themselves when he goes into raptures about the 90s.
I think slagging off the SNP is counter-productive TBH.
The applause is starting to seem really staged and creepy now.
Uh oh, he’s listing things Labour did in government.
No humility about the Iraq war, PFI, demonising immigrants etc though eh.
'we did do some good stuff, as long as you forget about destroying a country to steal their oil and kill hundreds of thousands of people'
And BTW this is going on far too long.
His first, and perhaps only, leader's speech to conference. He needs people to come away thinking "too much", rather than "why didn't he address X".
No humility about the Iraq war, PFI, demonising immigrants etc though eh.
Rule one if you are trying to get people behind the Labour party today... DON'T MENTION THE WAR.
"WEEE ARRREEEEE PATRIOTS"
Okkkkkkk, switching off now.
It is painful. Horrible to listen to. But people really did say "Labour are against the British" when I talked to them in 2019 about voting Labour. Our seat went to the Tories again. Many voters need their view of Labour resetting. It does make me cringe though.
