Now can anyone actually tell me what the labour right stand for? Policies and philosophy?
They can't tell you because the left are stopping them, somehow.
Just ticking them off....
Ctk? Present.
Rone? Present.
Dissonance? Present.
Ransos? Present.
Dazh? Present.
Full House! Do I win anything?
Just one thing before I leave you to your leather elbow patches and sandals....
Do you guys have an alarm system between yourselves or do you just naturally scent centrist blood in the STW forum water?
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I’m losing count of the number of my fellow normal people who are saying that they don’t want to be governed by a clown like Johnson, but Starmer is too hamstrung by the dinosaurs to form a credible alternative.
Sure you are. 😂
It's as I thought, the lefties are simultaneously niche and irrelevant but also a terrifying bogeyman that's ruining everything - despite having no power and no support from the media.
despite having no power and no support from the media
They have power via the likes of McCluskey and Momentum. They don't need widespread power amongst the electorate to steer (specifically) the Labour Party in a given direction. It is another case of the loudest shouters driving parties towards the extremes.
do you just naturally scent centrist blood in the STW forum water?
They don't think you are a centrist, they think you are a red Tory hard right neoliberal facist with xenophobic tendancies who eats babies as a hobby
They don’t think you are a centrist, they think you are a red Tory hard right neoliberal facist with xenophobic tendancies who eats babies as a hobby
Do we? Thanks for telling me. There I was thinking I was confused as to what exactly he stands for.
Judging from the questions being posed so do most of the others.
Now can anyone actually tell me what the labour right stand for? Policies and philosophy?
Everything Dannyh said.
This is all about control of the Labour party, though it comes disguised as "ideals set in stone", no compromises allowed.
If the left left the party, they would disappear into irrelevance. but staying within and potentially in control will **** the party like they did in the last decade.
I was confused as to what exactly he stands for.
The only thing Danny stands for is his own selfish interest and unfailing snobbish belief that he is better than than the working class oiks who have made it more difficult for him to retire to the Dordogne.
If the left left the party, they would disappear into irrelevance
Hmmm and then the right of the party would go to a superb victory carrying the world before them? Sounds good although I think it could do with a rename. Maybe call it the SDP.
who have made it more difficult for him to retire to the Dordogne
If only that was the only problem facing people in the UK right now thanks to voters of all classes clutching at empty self defeating bloviating isolationist anti-foreigner promises that will deliver sod all to any of us in the bottom half of the income/wage distribution.
Can anyone tell me the policies and philosophy of the labour right wing please?
I guess I'd get called a right winger on this thread (I'm really not). Philosophy? Basically, fairness and sharing things out, respect for everyone, opportunities for everyone, so position is not about money or your family (abolish the royal one, obv, though I guess that's a policy as is always trying to buy more than one's round in the pub). All internationally, not just for our countries. All the good stuff. I am under the impression we all want the best of life, in the words of Anderson .Paak. I could go on. How long have you got? Or do you want me to cut and paste a few bits and bobs of the LP website or whatever? Or are you making a point - if so maybe explain it in simple terms?
Because it’ll be unwitting sleeper agents like yourself that steer Labour away from widespread popularity.
This is a MTB forum and this thread has 10 people on it- Jesus wept.
If only that was the only problem facing people in the UK
Cheer up man, all the idiots are sitting in pointless queues to get fuel and frothing about not getting their Xmas turkey. Brexit is doing its job just as all we remainers hoped. 😉
The problem with Labour is not left or right (or centre) it's old & new. So yes dinosaurs must go but the dinosaurs are not exclusively on the left, in fact they are mostly on the right of the party.
eg Mandleson is a dinosaur
The only thing Danny stands for is
his own selfish interestthe interests of anyone who sets their sights beyond driving a white van, doing jobs for cash in hand, drinking Carling and going on a 'fighting holiday' to magaluf and unfailingsnobbishrealistic belief that he is better informed than than the working class oiks who have made it more difficult for him to retire to the Dordogne whilst shooting themselves in the foot because they don't like foreigners.
FTFY. Although I hadn't ever considered retiring to the Dordogne. I know full well I will probably be working until I'm 80.
Are you upset about something Daz - what happened to the 'old hippy' you used to bang on about? Are you one of Monbiot's 'fallen hippies' who just love the counterculture stuff so much you don't mind if it is rampant nationalism - so long as it is sticking it to the man?
You've loved the 'sticking it to the elite' angle of Brexit - are you sure you're not slipping into a bit of the 'any radicalism will do' (why won't someone listen to me) camp?
Bless.
Dazh, I guess you can afford the rising costs, and don't work in an industry that relies on international customers and suppliers. Lucky you. The next twelve months are going to be hard for many. Still, at least all those who had their patriotic bone tickled enough to give Johnson and his crew a thumping majority and the chance to reform our democracy in their interests now get to watch the Labour party eat itself. Thats nice for them. They'll get to sagely nod and repeat the "it would have been even worse if Labour were in power" line, and believe it. Nicely sidestepping their own tiny part in the breaking of Britain, but more importantly letting Johnson off for every pile of shit he heaps on us with a sigh and a "Corbyn/Starmer would be worse, they can't even lead a party" truism... as the Labour party obliges by supplying the papers with internal rift headlines.
Mcclusky has no power or influence. He is just a noisy nobody.
Nickc - totally devoid of either. No philosophy and no policies in that.
also - Starmer is a centrist. i am talking about the right wingers.
My god Danny you are a horrible snob.
Johnx2
I think you make my point for me - the labour right have no philosophy and no policies. Just a load of empty rhetoric
the likes of Burnham will say anything to anyone to get a sniff of power. they are windvane politicians
Don't like to be nosey but I keep wondering who are these facists who keep getting lip service?
The right of the LP don't have the benefit of a small party and media who blindly support them they have a variety of opinions that may be unwelcome so the only way forward is to expel and produce a slimmed-down party of suitably rightwing candidates. Communications can be done via Murdoch et al and chums in the ad industry, financed by plutocrats who also support the Tories. Forget going on the knocker and being part of the community. I reckon Starmer aspires to head up a Lab-Con coalition and Change UK will be invited to re-join.
NB Not ENTIRELY serious.
My god Danny you are a horrible snob.
It's OK, I won't vote Labour again, so you've no need to worry.
Full House! Do I win anything?
Just your regular prize for being a collosal stroker.
It’s as I thought, the lefties are simultaneously niche and irrelevant but also a terrifying bogeyman that’s ruining everything
It's Schrodinger's bogeyman, and a convenient diversion from the fact that they have absolutely nothing to offer.
dannyh
Full MemberIt’s OK, I won’t vote Labour again, so you’ve no need to worry.
Are you 12? One of the funniest things I've read on this forum.
Just to be clear anyone who says shit like this:
The only thing Danny stands for is his own selfish interest the interests of anyone who sets their sights beyond driving a white van, doing jobs for cash in hand, drinking Carling
is a horrible snob. & truth bomb for you callmedan, it's the horrible centrist snobs who enabled Brexit. So hope you are happy self identifying in that group.
Just your regular prize for being a collosal stroker.
Write it on one of the desks, the nearest classroom is just down from the common room.
At least I won something - Labour won't if you lot have your way.
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Vote for Starmer get Wes Streeting.
https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1441337407215837197?s=19
The trouble is Centrism is not even really the centre. It's just being to the right but pretending you're somehow on the left.
At least I won something
You didn't Danny; you didn't.
At least I won something – Labour won’t if you lot have your way.
Gosh, you lot have the party wrapped up and yet you're still trying to find lefties to blame for your shortcomings. As is said about another issue: you won, stop whining.
Though it's pretty obvious that doing it your way makes us all losers.
you lot have the party wrapped up
I don’t think he’s a member, just a voter. And one of many in this thread who voted Labour under Corbyn but somehow are treated as the problem. We aren’t. The people voting for Johnson, or not at all, are the people that need winning over or enticed into the ballot box to join us in voting Labour. Starmer really doesn’t have what it takes to do that in my opinion, but neither is that somehow proof that Labour should dig its heals in and wait for the voters to move towards them. A repositioning is required. And a relabelling and reframing of left wing policies to reassure more people who don’t consider themselves left wing (that’s most people) to trust Labour in office, and deliver them better lives in an improving UK. The alternative is England continuing down a path that will hurt the vast majority of the public in all the UK nations, especially the lower paid with little or no capital.
And one of many in this thread who voted Labour under Corbyn but somehow are treated as the problem. We aren’t
Once again your myopia strikes. Read callmedan's posts he wants the 'lefties' kicked out.
What kelvin said.
I'm not pissing my Friday evening away arguing with people who never budge an inch. Ever.
I’m not pissing my Friday evening away arguing with people who never budge an inch. Ever.
Self-awareness alert.
Where do you want me to budge? Do you want me to start hating people who drive white vans?
I'd budge to where Starmer positioned himself when elected no problem. I'd budge to somewhere between Corbyn & Blair no problem. Will I budge to a knats nut left of Cameron? WTF would I?
But as I said earlier i dont think its about left or right- it's about old and new. Labour need a positive, truly new vision for the country that consigns all the old battlefronts to history.
I was happy to wait and see with SKS but this leader election stuff really is a deal breaker.
I think you make my point for me – the labour right have no philosophy and no policies. Just a load of empty rhetoric
the likes of Burnham will say anything to anyone to get a sniff of power. they are windvane politicians
@tj That seems condescending. I was sharing my thoughts, I'm not signed up to a manifesto. What do find objectionable in what I posted?
it’s the horrible centrist snobs who enabled Brexit.
More info needed on this please
Will I budge to a knat's nut left of Cameron? WTF would I?
I presume that's a trick question.... the answer is blindingly obvious.
it’s the horrible centrist snobs who enabled Brexit.
Definitely want to hear more about this one.
It'll have to wait until tomorrow, though.
I do hope the Brexit enabled by us 'horrible centrist snobs' hasn't led to a shortage of hobnobs and tea...
What a ****ing shambles.
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Are you one of Monbiot’s ‘fallen hippies’ who just love the counterculture stuff so much you don’t mind if it is rampant nationalism
Not at all, I think we old hippies have been proven right. Your snobbish, selfish and hubristic view of the world has resulted in an environment where nationalists can leverage the ignorance of working people to vote against their own interests. And when it comes back to bite you, you whine like like a spoilt child who’s had their sweets taken away.
Where do you want me to budge?
Its simple really. You need to provide your vote unquestioningly to the person dannyh approves of and then shut up.
Its all about give and take. The left needs to give and the "centrist" ideologues take.
Its a win win compromise!
David Cameron is the horrible centrist snob who enabled Brexit.
Your snobbish, selfish and hubristic view of the world has resulted in an environment where nationalists can leverage the ignorance of working people to vote against their own interests.
I don't recall a slogan that said 'Stick it to Middle Management'. I do, however, remember lots of stuff about brown people 'swamping' the UK, total bullshit numbers and 'taking back control', though. Must have missed that one.
PMSL.
I will ask again, who are the disillusioned Labour voters now voting for now that Starmer has done a Blair and ruined the Labour party for you.
Are you all voting Green as that is the only party that even comes close to what Labour should be doing plus throws in a bit of green stuff for good measure?
If you are I don't see many "real left" Labour voters doing that as the Green vote is still very small. Where are the voters that don't like Starmer going to get their socialist ideal?
johnx2 - nothing - its fine sentiment and I basically agree. Its just that like the labour right wing thats all it is. No actual policies, no political philosophy. Just a lot of fine words that mean little.
I will ask again, who are the disillusioned Labour voters now voting for now that Starmer has done a Blair and ruined the Labour party for you.
I find it fascinating that you keep demanding this from the “real left” but when dannyh babbles about never voting labour now you dive straight in to defend him.
