The fact that Dorries is involved is all you need to know.
Not only is she as thick as concrete reinforced pigshit, but she is also as close as you can get to a real life witch nowadays.
She rivals Priti Patel for 'who has the biggest, blackest void where there heart should be' competition within the Tories.
Also attacking QC who has got his shit together by libelling him is extremely foolhardy, surely.
They really are very worried, aren’t they.
Probably. But while it doesn't take a genius to dig a bit deeper to what check what nonsense it is...its out there muddying the waters, which is of course the plan. Rinse and repeat just like the last four years.
Another tory MP who also tweeted this has subsequently deleted her twitter account.
It seems that some are keen to paint the left as a monolithic entity,
Yes, that's what the right do...along with hardcore corbyn supporters.
Looking at it another way, I’ve come across very few working class people who resent or are embarrassed about others or themselves breaking out of their working class roots (I know I don’t), but there are plenty in the upper and middle classes who resent working people intruding on their lofty and entitled positions.
I note you carefully avoid saying "you know" upper and middle, just that "there are" some.
I think you might need to show your working out.
I know plenty of council estate people who thought that doing well at school and trying to get further education was 'poncy' and 'a bit gay'
There are dix of all kinds in this world; whether silver spooners or bottom dwelling scumbags.
I know plenty of council estate people who thought that doing well at school and trying to get further education was ‘poncy’ and ‘a bit gay’
There was a sizeable minority at my school like that. As said, there be knobbers in all walks of life.
Look at the stick footballers get. Working class kids earning loads and lots of em black. Any motor racing drivers get similar stick? Only one and...
I know plenty of council estate people who thought that doing well at school and trying to get further education was ‘poncy’ and ‘a bit gay’
There are dix of all kinds in this world; whether silver spooners or bottom dwelling scumbags.
Unfortunately they know no better, they have no life examples to show them otherwise, and when they do learn the truth it will be too late for them, their life will be set on a path it is very hard to divert from.
However the upper class bullingdon bullies are equally scummy, get away with it and inflict pain on the masses throughout their lives. But they always have a opportunity, and they always have choice, they just choose to be ****s.
Why is it always always always about the class war in this country?
Open your eyes and you'll see it's not.
It's been about all Brexit since Cameron really.
And that's been labour's unsolvable problem.
Didn't matter who lead them, or what the policy was, their voters were split between the two camps. Real single issue politics strong enough to change allegiances. Last election was unwinnable due to simple maths.
For Starmer, that's a problem that's not gone away.
He's looking good whilst cross examining an idiot who's made the biggest balls up in modern politics.
But my Nan could do that.
His real test will come in balancing winning back the northern Brexit labour vote, trying to tempt some Scottish vote back, and getting some swing from moderate Tories. Not so easy.
But for now, he's winning the argument.
It’s been about all Brexit since Cameron really
His real test will come in balancing winning back the northern Brexit labour vote, trying to tempt some Scottish vote back, and getting some swing from moderate Tories. Not so easy.
I was pleased to see this:
Starmer was a clear remainer, but happy to see he's not falling into the trap of calling for extension/rejoin whatever which the Tories can then use as a stick to bash him/Labour.
Keep the Brexit mess owned by the Tories. Will this do damage to the country? I think so yes. But there is no alternative now:
Didn’t matter who lead them, or what the policy was, their voters were split between the two camps
Exactly, those ex-Labour voters won't be won back with more "stop Brexit" talk. But they can be won back after the Tories make a mess of something that is inevitably going to be a destructive mess.
This has however cheered me up - maybe Nadine and her chums will be a little more discerning about what they retweet in future (long shot I know)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52653609
Mad Nad - living down to her sobriquet.
A great response to to the twitter video
Sir Keir said he was satisfied with the actions taken by the party and the MPs, who have deleted the tweets.
"There are more important things in the world to concentrate on than a doctored video of me," he added.
Acting again like a grown up to expose the Tory MP's as the stupid halfwits they clearly are. Far more cutting than overblown outrage.
avdave2
MemberActing again like a grown up to expose the Tory MP’s as the stupid halfwits they clearly are. Far more cutting than overblown outrage.
What's especially nice is that you can have it both ways- Starmer can take the high ground, while individual MPs can put the boot in with "are you not supposed to be busy dealing with a national crisis?"
He's annoying the right people.
https://twitter.com/novaramedia/status/1260864932486057984?s=19
Bodes well for having an effective opposition after too many years of cranks, tankies and cosplay commies.
+1 for both avdave and northwind
That novara link - yet more bollocks from ash sarkar's crew.
It's bonkers, isn't it? He's skewering Johnson and that's their response?
Fringe idealogues whose time and platform have gone.
It's like a dog barking at the moon.
The tories also have their idealogues; allison pearson of the torygraph springs to mind immediately for her distorted and irrational view of johnson.
His real test will come in balancing winning back the northern Brexit labour vote,
Some of that will take care of itself, particularly when the US trade talks news that isn't currently being shall we say "buried" by current events gets out.
Taking back control to 51st state.
It’s bonkers, isn’t it? He’s skewering Johnson and that’s their response?
That depends on how much value you assign to winning at PMQs.
On the BBC News site, there is:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52670086
It exposes a government run by a tiny inner circle and a mostly excluded cabinet. Has this little nugget in there too:
The emergence of an opposition leader who a Conservative source joked was "designed for this moment", creates more challenge too.
ransos - PMQs, at present, provides a very useful platform to expose johnson & co. In addition, it's getting media coverage.
Starmer - and wider labour party - needs to be seen to be supportive of gov covid-19 policy at present but also challenging and holding them to account.
That is exactly what he is doing.
It also allows the public to make a direct comparison between Starmer and johnson.
In current circumstances, 'winning' at PMQs has considerable value.
ransos – PMQs, at present, provides a very useful platform to expose johnson & co. In addition, it’s getting media coverage.
PMQs always gets media coverage, and as I've said before, William Hague used to outperform Blair with regularity. I understand that people are excited by their man winning at a specific contest, but it's not at all clear this leads to electoral success.
I understand that people are excited by their man winning at a specific contest, but it’s not at all clear this leads to electoral success.
Not winning at PMQs didn't help Corbyn though !
Fwiw Starner is obviously very smart & an excellent debater as shaddiw Brexit sec he routinely dismantled whoever was put up against him, Give & Raab were memorable , didn't he also do over Johnson
That said the fact is a lot of people don't like a smarty pants , including many Brexit supporting ex labour voters
So humiliating Johnson at PMQs not enough, now matter how nice it is to see.
I think not backing an extension is a gamble but at this point not much to lose, if the Tories are mad enough to push for a no deal crash out in December he probably can't stop them anyway & they will own that mess, as well as the backlash if they see sense & ask for one
Not winning at PMQs didn’t help Corbyn though !
I think that proves my point!
Starmer has a huge battle to get Labour back into power, no argument there.
All things consisted though, he is the person for the job at this stage for sure.
This is the start of a bloody long journey. With the virus,Brexit, economic turmoil, health crisis all happening and will continue to happen along with goodness knows what else comes along.
A good start for Starmer and I'm happy with the direction and handling so far.
As a Labour voter it's the "happiest" I've felt for a good while.
ransos, I'm well aware that PMQs always gets media coverage but thanks for the reminder.
It's now being covered more widely and viewed/listened to by many more people than (ever) before so Starmer's skewering of johnson is now reaching a wider audience.
Comparisons with Hague v Blair are irrelevant; their exchanges were verbal jousting.
We are now involved in the biggest national health, mental health and economic crisis this country has seen since, at least, WW2.
With that in mind it's appropriate for the opposition leader to support the gov's general approach but/and challenge where appropriate and hold johnson to account.
It's clear that Starmer is perfectly capable of that, at the very least.
We will only know about electoral success when an election takes place.
I don't think he has a huge battle. Ultimately he's a guy who's competent, level headed and seems decent to boot. A combination in surprisingly short supply in parliament. He's exactly what the country needs right now, but will also still need in 3 years time if we make it that far with current PM. As quick as Bojo got the votes he'll lose them again. Im going to stick my neck out here and say that he's the next PM with at least 3 terms in him.
ransos, I’m well aware that PMQs always gets media coverage but thanks for the reminder.
It’s now being covered more widely and viewed/listened to by many more people than (ever) before so Starmer’s skewering of johnson is now reaching a wider audience.
I assume that you have the figures to confirm this?
We will only know about electoral success when an election takes place.
Which is why your evident excitement counts for very little.
Justin Webb fairly neatly and calmly destroying Brandon Lewis on R4 right now.
He's been reduced to saying "I don't agree with that" before every sentence and then desperately avoiding justifying the assertion....because he can't.
Bohnsons's media punch bags just keep getting trotted out and taken off at the knees whilst he hides in his metaphorical fridge. Note that Raaaaaaab has now also been pulled back off of the frontline. Being protected (shielded even) from the pandemic of Joris Bohnson's inept leadership?
I just listened to that on Radio 4
So what Starmer pointed out has now been picked up, quite rightly, by the media. And as you said; Brandon Lewis’s had no answers, because they complacently ****ed it up.
Far from it being just PMQ’s, this is clearly now setting the media agenda.
It’s a long time since the Labour Party did that in a positive way. The Tory’s are really on the back foot over this. As they should be.
No doubt there will be lots more Nadine style nastiness in reply
I am waiting for Keir to say to a floundering bojo at pmqs "unfortunately no fridge to hide in here"
That novara link
Mleh, 10, maybe 11 people read Novara.
No doubt there will be lots more Nadine style nastiness in reply
Let's hope they overstep the mark, despite the careful coaching of Dom, and openly libel him.
It would be nice to see Sir Keir Starmer QC say with a smile on his face "I'll see you in court" to Nadine Dorries FW.
FW standing for....
Also, the momentum is with Starmer right now.
He should openly challenge Lewis to explain in full his chaff comment about being 'disappointed' and explain what he means by 'out of context' in this instance.
However, the Tories aren't daft when it comes to the muckier end of politics (it is their basic MO). They may well be doing a kind of DDOS attack on Starmer using otherwise useless backbenchers to smear him and hope some sticks. He won't be able to fight them all.
Mleh, 10, maybe 11 people read Novara.
They are very adept at getting their people onto TV though. Most of their ‘opinion forming’ work is done via TV media and Social Media shares… the website comes a distant third.
Im going to stick my neck out here and say that he’s the next PM with at least 3 terms in him.
I so want you to be right, but still think he’s going to be wiped aside at a general election by either Johnson or his replacement pushing simple impossible dreams and lies, and evading all questioning and challenges using the toolset they’ve proven to work so far, and a lot of highly targeted, contradictory, divisive, false messaging.
ransos, the exchange of posts with you has become tiresome.
You can confirm for yourself the wider interest in PMQs.
As for '...evident excitedness' - wrong; if you had said 'positivity' that would have been accurate.
Watching channel 4 news leading with care home deaths would suggest that Keir Starmer has, rightly, massively drawn attention to this issue and the governments complacency
Exactly what the opposition is meant to be doing. Holding the government to account.
Maybe if we’d actually had an opposition for the last 4 years then the government wouldn’t have been allowed to get this complacent and many more people would still be alive
An opposition, awake to political realities rather than just sneering from behind a placard.
It’ll never catch on...
Maybe if we’d actually had an opposition for the last 4 years then the government wouldn’t have been allowed to get this complacent and many more people would still be alive
You are utterly deluded.
Somehow - it's Corbyn's fault we are where we are with C-19?
Take your logic one step further - you have your functioning opposition now - why have they not reduced the deaths? Because if an opposition that is no longer in power can exert influence you talk of then the current opposition should be doing an even more robust job? How many lives have they saved?
Oh the Government is worse than ever and their popularity is still increasing BTW.
Ian Austin is available for a pint.
ransos, the exchange of posts with you has become tiresome.
If you don't wish to substantiate your claim that's fine.
Do you think Liverpool would prefer to play Manchester City or Norwich?
Corbyn wasn’t even Norwich. It was like an FA Cup game against a third division side. The political Accrington Stanley
Keir Starmer has offered more opposition in 2 months to these ****s than Corbyn managed in 4 years of clueless 10 second shouty Tweets.
Thankfully, we now appear to have an opposition again.
Thankfully, we now appear to have an opposition again.
As I said before, you only think that because now you're prepared to listen. Starmer has had no more ability to change things than Corbyn did. In fact the labour party and the unions got the government to bring in the furlough scheme before Starmer became leader. Credit where it's due?
Eh? Starmer has been setting the media agenda since PMQ’s on Wednesday?
The only time Corbyn managed that was when another photo was unearthed of him standing grinning with another bunch of terrorists
You've bitched about Corbyn like a massive bitch for the last christ knows how long - do you think you could give it a rest, now he's no longer leader?
