[Closed] Scottish/British ?

I've got an example for you BD 😉

[url= http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/motorsport-news/2009/06/08/sixth-gp-victory-takes-jenson-button-a-step-closer-to-f1-world-title-86908-21424007/ ]Brittish driver wins F1 GP[/url]

[url= http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2009/08/31/jenson-button-remains-focused-despite-crashing-out-of-belgian-gp-in-40-seconds-86908-21637075/ ]English driver loses F1 GP[/url]

Big Dummy - Its a lot less prevalent than it used to be. I think the sports commentators are far more wary than they used to be about the nationality thing.

Its still heard sometimes tho.

see what I did there TJ?

I hid the dreaded 40th post until you posted 🙂

I'm Scottish and happy to say that I detest the SNP, particularly the ghastly Nicola Sturgeon and Alex Salmond duo.

Proud to be Scottish and British. I love the fact that the seperate parts that make our nation have their own strong identities, but that as a whole we have a strong identity too. I echo the hope that there is a referendum which null and voids the SNP devolution tosh once and for all.

I worry that people from other parts of the UK think we are all rabid SNP fanatics. I believe the SNP are only in power due to the low turn out at the relevant elections and people being sick of Labour. Not a huge fan of recent Labour antics either but they are the lesser of two evils by some way.

I don't think I have ever been so disappointed at an election result than SNP's victory. Upset is probably a better word actually...

trailmonkey - Member

Chicken Balti is as [b]English[/b] as Yorkshire pud.

Funny cos I thought that Wales, Scotland and Ireland had Indian curry houses aplenty too.

Balti is surely as [i]British[/i] as ......... something really British?

Balti is surely as British as

In the true STW tradition - I haven't read the whole thread!

Scottish is by definition British IMO.

Just as I live in Sussex, which is in England, which is also in Britain.

If I were Scottish I would describe myself as Scottish. Now that's all absoloutely clear, ahem 😉 I'm off riding and drinking for the evening.

I believe the SNP are only in power due to the low turn out at the relevant elections...

Actually I think they benefited from by offering something most of the UK doesn't have: a viable third option!

They got in on the back of folk who were/are hacked off with Labour, but couldn't bring themselves to vote Tory.
In theory LibDems offer this third way to England, but who actually thinks they will ever get in?

Funny cos I thought that Wales, Scotland and Ireland had Indian curry houses aplenty too.

Balti is surely as British as ......... something really British?

Comes from Birmingham as far as I know. I'm sure we've exported it since though.

I believe the SNP vote was more positive than some - the interesting thing will be the next holyrood election however. Labour have covered themselves in mud over their reaction to the SNP - its all been "yah boo sucks" and automatic opposition to them. Scottish labour have been shown to be political pygmies. NO attempt at consensual politics which the rest of the parliament have engaged in.

On the curry thing - my understanding is that Balti is Birmingham whereas chicken tikka masala is Glaswegian

I'm happy and proud to be both Scottish and British. No time for the SNP, though I did think they were right re being compassionate recently.

T'were a Scot who said 'small nations are the curse of the earth'.

I concur.

[s]We[/s] I&I are all from roundabouts Ethiopia originally anyways are we not...

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"Ok, i've noticed that some people like to describe themselves as Scottish rather than British, which is fine. My confusion is with those who insist Scots are NOT British?"

people are people, you get it the other way around, people are the same everywhere you go. i dont like any of the SNP bullshit, its a daft idea being independent of britain.

I'd vote for Scottish Independence in a flash. The major benefit would be that Scots wouldn't be able to blame the English for everything that goes wrong.

cullen-bay - Member

people are people, you get it the other way around, people are the same everywhere you go. i dont like any of the SNP bullshit, its a daft idea being independent of britain.

[pedant mode]
Scotland can never be independent of Britain as Britain would cease to exist
[/pedant mode]

cullen-bay - Member
... i dont like any of the SNP bullshit, its a daft idea being independent of britain.

I suspect you are too young to vote 🙂

druidh - Member
...Scotland can never be independent of Britain as Britain would cease to exist...

And the problem with that is ... ?

Why won't the Scots stop banging on about their precious little country?

It's exceeding boring to have endured to this moan for forty odd years!

I'm tired of the warped prejudices. Some would call it racism!

BORING!!!

Come on guys, get over it!

(and huge respect to all the grown up people who hail from Scotland who don't feel compelled to discriminate and or bore everyone else to death about their identity)

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spongebob - rather more than 40 yrs old chap. Since the days of the shortarse italian woofter at least

Surely the only way to maintain and/or preserve a national identity/culture is to become ever more parochial and xenophobic?

The debate about 'Englishness' and the perpetual bemoaning of the loss of the English culture is a major case of not seeing the wood for the trees; 'Englishness' is characterised by a lack of concern regarding its existence, unlike 'Scottishness' which seems at times to be in danger of becoming a caricature.

Fight for your identity by all means, but recognise that it's a cul-de-sac.

Spongebob - Member

Why won't the Scots stop banging on about their precious little country?

It's exceeding boring to have endured to this moan for forty odd years!

I'm tired of the warped prejudices. Some would call it racism!

BORING!!!

Come on guys, get over it!

(and huge respect to all the grown up people who hail from Scotland who don't feel compelled to discriminate and or bore everyone else to death about their identity)

And who started this thread? A Scot? Go back through STW and find me some threads where Scots have started to moan about England. It seems that the boot is very much on the other foot these days (or should that be chip on the other shoulder?)

I am British and I love the British Isles. I once worked out I could play for all 4 home nations. I wouldnt be bothered if Scotland became independent because it would just be like the Republic of Ireland same place just funny money (or should that be funnier money)

I started the thread 'cos i was (still am) confused by the concept that Scots are not British.

As far as i see it, until Scotland votes for independence then Scots are part of the UK of GB. Even then Scots will still be 'British' in a geographical sense as Scotland will still be a Nation within the island of Britain.

I don't hate or dislike Scots, i do take a little exception to a Scot telling me the English have no culture though!

The one thing i find tiresome (as a medieval re-enactor) is the constant assertion by Scottish members of the public telling me that medieval Scots wore tartan plaid etc when there is not one single piece of evidence to support this claim - we constantly have to prevent the appearance of the 'Clan McHalfords' in their tartan dog blankets at certain medieval events. Bannockburn being a particular event that springs to mind.
My lot have stopped doing that event because of the overt anti-English racism from a vocal but threatening minority of the public. Being spat at during the show then having to stand guard all night because of the danger of night raids by drunken idiots tends to put people off travelling to the event.
Personally i blame the SnG for whipping up the hatred, burning the Union Flag at midnight tends to set the lunacy off and for a couple of hrs after the drunks are out for trouble.
The stupidity extends to the mainly Scottish re-enactors portraying the 'English' army having insults and objects thrown at them because they are the 'English bastards'.
That's before we even get to the members of the audience wearing dog blankets and carrying real weapons leaping out of the crowd in order to attack the English.. (Yes, it HAS happened!)

I personally love the Englander, every Scottish family should have one as a pet, on a leash tied to a stab in the back garden.

C'mon, what aload of pish, I've worked for mainly English (sorry British) companies most of my working life including a spell with the Queens finest, and I've never experienced any of the above said.

Yes I do agree with you regarding the SNP, clowns and totally out of their depth, that's where my opening comment is aimed at,(sorry I should have said that at the start).

Do not tar us all with the same brush mate, yes as in England, Ireland and Wales you get the hard core element but C'mon...

I'm Scottish in the same way as you are English but I have a British pride and for all that it stands for, and I am proud of that.

I am Scottish and proud to be a Scot......I used to think it was best for Scotland to be part of the UK......now I am not so sure. Scotland pays far more in taxes and lost revenue than it recieves back from Londoon so just maybe wee Eck might gets his after alone and we will stand as a Nation again and send them awe hame tae think again!

their precious little country

Have a wee look at a map son ... it's not all that little (at least in British terms).

I used to think it was best for Scotland to be part of the UK......now I am not so sure. Scotland pays far more in taxes and lost revenue than it recieves back from Londoon so just maybe wee Eck might gets his after alone and we will stand as a Nation again and send them awe hame tae think again!

I just love the Scots attitude on this one. As they figure they are down on the deal, it's time to opt out. Of course they were perfectly justified in being part of the union when the figures were the other way around. It's the kind of partner you really want around isn't it ? Personally, I don't care if they've got a case for independence or not, I just want to be independent of them.

Im a SCOT.
Who lives in Britain
Wouldnt call myself a Brit though.
I suppose its a personal thing aint it, even if we are all part of Great Britain..

muddydwarf - Member
I started the thread 'cos i was (still am) confused by the concept that Scots are not British.

Which seems to be a concept that you yourself have invented purely for this debate. I don't see anybody else saying that Scotland isn't part of Britain.

The one thing i find tiresome (as a medieval re-enactor) is the constant assertion by Scottish members of the public telling me that medieval Scots wore tartan plaid etc when there is not one single piece of evidence to support this claim - we constantly have to prevent the appearance of the 'Clan McHalfords' in their tartan dog blankets at certain medieval events.

And you are absolutely correct. There is plenty of documentary evidence to show when clan tartan was invented - do some research and you might find that the English have their hands in this.

Bannockburn being a particular event that springs to mind.
My lot have stopped doing that event because of the overt anti-English racism from a vocal but threatening minority of the public. Being spat at during the show then having to stand guard all night because of the danger of night raids by drunken idiots tends to put people off travelling to the event.

I'm sorry but I might get a little personal.

I think that it's absolutely moronic of you to be surprised that Bannockburn was re-enacted and some Scots got a little patriotic, don't you? Or have you no idea what happened in the actual battle and it's eventual outcome?

Perhaps your group should try to re-enact the Battle of the Boyne and find out what Irish views are on that?

It seems that this is where the English idea of culture falls down - they have no idea of their own history and the effect it has had on their neighbours and the rest of the world.

It's not the SNP who incite trouble at the Bannockburn commemorations, it's the quasi-fascist SnG.
I quite respect the SNP, at least they are consistent and have a viable position for a political party.
Sottish affairs, Scottish solution sounds fair to me.

The SnG on the other hand are a bunch of wannabe blackshirts. Membership of the SnG was proscribed for SNP members i believe.

The idiots at Bannockburn are a minority but they put people off attending the event and the organisers of the 'battle/living history' event find it difficult enough to get re-enactors to travel as it is.

I look forward to the 500th anniversary of Flodden in 2013, hopefully the ultra-nationalist idiots will stay away seeing as Scotland lost that one.

Can we send James IV homeward to think again?

As he was cut down by bills we could send him home in several doggy bags...

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My mate from London now considers Scotland part of the axis of evil since the released of the bomber.

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Well that take us off the list of possible(for the second time) future targets for the current trend of madmen wanting to kill the infidel 😉

I think most Scots are pleased an English rider (Steve Peat) won the World Championships today. If we call him British, we can bask in the reflected glory 🙂

I think you'll find most of us use a large pinch of salt in our discussions on this subject, but we still want independence.

As for the numpties who have a racist attitude to English there's not much we can do about that except make sure that history is taught in the schools rather than in the pub or the movies.

For example, can a Highlander justify hating the English when it was largely through English outrage that the worse excesses of the Highland Clearances were reined in?

[b]Britain's[/b] Steve Peat ended a run of disappointment by securing the World Downhill Mountain Bike title.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/8240277.stm

What most Scots are sensitive to is that athletes/teams/whatever are only British when they are winning and Scottish when they lose, but conversely English when they are winning and British when they lose.

Idle Jon -
You miss the point entirely. The commemorations of Bannockburn are organised by Scottish groups backed by Scottish Heritage, the great majority of the re-enactors are Scottish although they very graciously extend invitations to English groups - in fact they would like more English groups to take part.
The majority of the 'English' Army are in fact Scots re-enactors and i can honestly say i have not heard (or heard of) one negative comment or action from any Scots re-enactor. The trouble comes from a minority of pissed-up idiots who think they are fighting the Wars of Independence all over again. These are members of the public, usually coming from the SNP rally held alongside the commemorations. The Scots lads & lasses playing the 'English' have in the past been attacked by some of these idiots, had objects thrown at them etc, the buffoons haven't even the sense to find out where these people come from!
Then, after a day of putting up with drunken cretins (usually wearing a Scots football shirt and a dodgy tartan kilt) we have to watch out for the real loonies - the SnG clowns who burn the Union Flag at midnight then whip up the racism and let the nutters loose.
Try having to defend your families and belongings from the very idiots whom you have given up your time and money to put on a show for, and you soon begin to wonder why you bothered.
Having said that, the great majority of the public are fine, but the idiots are present,drunk, offensive and potentially violent all through the day.

"You might get a little personal"

So you think it's fine to insult and attack people (both Scots & English) who are putting on a display for free, who have spent lots of money building up their kit and doing lots of research into the era and who have travelled a long way at their own expense to do this?

Pathetic.