[Closed] Saudi involvement in 9/11

Doesn't matter if they did or not, until they run out of oil, ain't no-one doing shit.

JHJ, do you actually ride a bike or have you just adopted an unsuspecting forum for your cause?

Doesn't matter if they did or not, until they run out of oil, ain't no-one doing shit.

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bongohoohaa - Member

Doesn't matter if they did or not, until they run out of oil, ain't no-one doing shit.

IIRC they don't actually sell that much oil to the U.S or UK. Something like 10%? (I'm sure someone will correct me).

They are however highly valued customers of the british and american weapons industries.

Some thread titles you don't even need to look to know who posted them.

IIRC they don't actually sell that much oil to the U.S or UK. Something like 10%? (I'm sure someone will correct me).

They are however highly valued customers of the british and american weapons industries.

True, but it's a global market.

I rarely buy from CRC or Wiggle anymore, but I bet that their merger will push up prices everywhere else. Ditto Iraq 'we' have no interest in their oil, it almost exclusively goes to China and India.

You have to ask yourself though, who does it benefit?

USA - 2 expensive wars
Saudi - instability on their doorstep, and by a tenuous link the rejection of extremism by moderates* has lead to Iran's sanctions being lifted. 'Westernisation' or Iran will make life difficult for the Saudi royal family.

*hate that word, whats wrong with "the majority"

JHJ, do you actually ride a bike or have you just adopted an unsuspecting forum for your cause?

Suffice to say if you knew the full extent of my riding skillz you'd be jealous, but after a while, I got bored of arguing about wheel sizes and brand fashions, so decided to focus instead on issues of global importance.

But aye, if you're about Mid Wales and want to shred, holla

Saudi Arabia involvement? They've known that since about October 2001. Too much money and oil pretty much assures you that nobody will lift a finger on that one, hence why were 15 years later and nobody has done anything other than invade all the other guys

[i]bored of arguing about wheel sizes and brand fashions, so decided to stop focusing[s] instead [/s]on issues of global importance. [/i]

ftfy

But aye, if you're about Mid Wales and want to shred, holla

You tell`em Jivester 😀

bored of arguing about wheel sizes and brand fashions, so decided to stop focusing instead on issues of global importance.

ftfy

Oops, my bad, forgot how much of a [i]bearing[/i] ISIS BBs would have on world events... 😳

Perhaps the shift to 650b was a strategy to hurt Saudi Oil sales through the additional yield of fuel oil from scrap tyres?

my riding skillz you'd be jealous, but after a while, I got bored of arguing about wheel sizes and brand fashions, so decided to focus instead on issues of global importance.

did high ranking Saudis play a key role in 9/11?

Here's a new concept for you.

Why not answer your own questions and tell us what you think, rather than vomiting other websites' articles all over the place and asking us to give you all the answers (which you usually then ignore and change the subject)?

I mean, you must have your own ideas and thoughts, right? Your own theories? You're not really just googling for photos of Prince Bandar in the same room as Jimmy Savile so you can go "ooh" are you?

did high ranking Saudis play a key role in 9/11? I don't know. You brought it up, what do [i]you[/i] think?

Well done Cougar!

My patience is definitely coming to a middle.

Osama was a Saudi, so yes Saudis and their money where involved. Hardly news ?

Saudi Arabia involvement? They've known that since about October 2001

You brought it up, what do you think?

Cougar, as a mod, you have swift access to all my posts...

What do you think I think?

what do you think?

What do you think I think?

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Makes you think.....

Cougar - Moderator
Here's a new concept for you.
Why not answer your own questions and tell us what you think, rather than vomiting other websites' articles all over the place and asking us to give you all the answers (which you usually then ignore and change the subject)?
I mean, you must have your own ideas and thoughts, right? Your own theories? You're not really just googling for photos of Prince Bandar in the same room as Jimmy Savile so you can go "ooh" are you?
did high ranking Saudis play a key role in 9/11? I don't know. You brought it up, what do you think?

Cougs - easy tiger! 🙂 . JHJ may post many similar threads but there's no harm in that. You know that the questions are largely rhetorical.

Makes you think.....

I think if you drink my ink, instead of pouring it down the sink, you'll see the link to the chink* in the ice rink that stopped my doing my kink-jink wearing my wife's mink (dyed pink). 😉 <-- see what i done there.

*refers to a small crack, not a chinese takeaway.

Here's a new concept for you.

Why not answer your own questions and tell us what you think, rather than vomiting other websites' articles all over the place and asking us to give you all the answers (which you usually then ignore and change the subject)?

I mean, you must have your own ideas and thoughts, right? Your own theories? You're not really just googling for photos of Prince Bandar in the same room as Jimmy Savile so you can go "ooh" are you?

did high ranking Saudis play a key role in 9/11? I don't know. You brought it up, what do you think?

Don't you see, he's a work of pure genius.

I'm naturally predisposed to liking a bit of conspiracy theory/ alternative thinking about world events and should lap up jivewhatits posts. But his style of unstructured splurging of gobbets of poorly written copy and paste with very little effort to actually interject his own thoughts in any sort of intelligent and coherent way has me running for the hills in the opposite direction. Despite myself I automatically reject all concepts he puts forward, purely because it was he who posted them.

He is a tory boy establishment figure placed here to discredit left-field thinking. It's beautiful.

What do you think I think?

Truth be told, I don't overly care.

Point is, the vast majority of your output is long, photo-heavy copy&paste tracts from other websites, often repeated multiple times if people dare to ignore it. And <mod>that has to stop</mod>. This is a discussion forum, not Facebook for conspiracy theorists.

I don't mind you starting threads like this. I don't mind you posting on other threads so long as it's on-topic and not an attempt to derail the discussion onto your own agendas. What I object to (other than said disruption) is the constant mindless conjecture and whataboutery with no actual evidence or opinion of your own being presented.

You want to tell us sheeple that the world is run by lizards, that the Illuminati are in bed with Scientology to secretly run the US government to fake the moon landings, that the CIA planned 9/11 all along, that Prince Philip used to have Jimmy Savile round for all-day bumming sessions with Saddam or that the Catholic Church is really a front for a sex trafficing ring led by Dale Winton then go right ahead. But for the love of Frank please god just [b]say it [/b]rather than posting mealy-mouthed, ill-researched horse shit and going "makes you think, doesn't it?" No, it doesn't make you think, otherwise it's odds-on that you would've started to by now.

**** me sideways with a chainsaw.

Makes you think.....

Hey man, don't hassle the hoff:

In short, I think the world needs a hero like Kung Fury...

**** me sideways with a chainsaw.

#strangest

doing my kink-jink wearing my wife's mink (dyed pink)

#strangest

**** me sideways with a chainsaw.

Aren't there other websites to request that kinda stuff on? Though I believe the legality is questionable even if consent is given...

This thread has cheered me up!

To cut to the chase..Yes, they are up to their necks in it, SA is the centre of Muslim extremism at least the old guard which I always think makes the supersize poppy on the front of a 4x4 ironic.
However a few stories recently about younger leaders taking a more liberal stance is encouraging.

Prince Philip used to have Jimmy Savile round for all-day bumming sessions with Saddam

Proper Lolz (sorry!)

Situation is still developing... this was reported yesterday:
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/12/911-commission-saudi-arabia-hijackers? ]
Saudi officials were 'supporting' 9/11 hijackers, commission member says

First serious public split revealed among commissioners over the release of the secret ‘28 pages’ that detail Saudi ties to 2001 terrorist attacks[/url]

A former Republican member of the 9/11 commission, breaking dramatically with the commission’s leaders, said Wednesday he believes there was clear evidence that Saudi government employees were part of a support network for the 9/11 hijackers and that the Obama administration should move quickly to declassify a long-secret congressional report on Saudi ties to the 2001 terrorist attack.

The comments by John F Lehman, an investment banker in New York who was Navy secretary in the Reagan administration, signal the first serious public split among the 10 commissioners since they issued a 2004 final report that was largely read as an exoneration of Saudi Arabia, which was home to 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11.
9/11 judge and prosecutors should step down over 'destroyed evidence', defense demands

“There was an awful lot of participation by Saudi individuals in supporting the hijackers, and some of those people worked in the Saudi government,” Lehman said in an interview, suggesting that the commission may have made a mistake by not stating that explicitly in its final report. “Our report should never have been read as an exoneration of Saudi Arabia.”

I think perhaps, the moral of this story should be that if you don't want people to fly planes into your buildings, don't train them to fly planes into buildings and then stab them in the back.

+1 Cougar

Cougar -

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JHJ is just another conspiracy theorist...It's about him, not anything else.

As long as everyone gets that...it's cool.

In my opinion, the conclusions of a prominent member of the 9/11 commission, such as John F Lehman and another member of the commission who has remained anonymous:

Another panel member, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of offending the other nine, said the 28 pages should be released even though they could damage the commission’s legacy – “fairly or unfairly” – by suggesting lines of investigation involving the Saudi government that were pursued by Congress but never adequately explored by the commission.

“I think we were tough on the Saudis, but obviously not tough enough,” the commissioner said. “I know some members of the staff felt we went much too easy on the Saudis. I didn’t really know the extent of it until after the report came out.”

The commissioner said the renewed public debate could force a spotlight on a mostly unknown chapter of the history of the 9/11 commission: behind closed doors, members of the panel’s staff fiercely protested the way the material about the Saudis was presented in the final report, saying it underplayed or ignored evidence that Saudi officials – especially at lower levels of the government – were part of an al-Qaida support network that had been tasked to assist the hijackers after they arrived in the US.

In fact, there were repeated showdowns, especially over the Saudis, between the staff and the commission’s hard-charging executive director, University of Virginia historian Philip Zelikow, who joined the Bush administration as a senior adviser to the secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, after leaving the commission. The staff included experienced investigators from the FBI, the Department of Justice and the CIA, as well as the congressional staffer who was the principal author of the 28 pages.

Zelikow fired a staffer, who had repeatedly protested over limitations on the Saudi investigation, after she obtained a copy of the 28 pages outside of official channels. Other staffers described an angry scene late one night, near the end of the investigation, when two investigators who focused on the Saudi allegations were forced to rush back to the commission’s offices after midnight after learning to their astonishment that some of the most compelling evidence about a Saudi tie to 9/11 was being edited out of the report or was being pushed to tiny, barely readable footnotes and endnotes. The staff protests were mostly overruled.

far outweigh Cougar's ventures into fantasy.

I also think possible conflicts of interest surrounding the head of the CIA John Brennan should be thoroughly investigated, as he has been deeply involved with Saudi Arabia as far back as Operation Cyclone.

didn't see this 2 weeks agao when cougar posted this but the prince philip line has just caused me to splurt coffee out my nose,, brilliant!

So, aside from promoting and funding extremist Wahhabism/Salafism (the root of ISIS and Al-Qaeda) the world over and having an appalling human rights record...

@jhj absolutely no surprise that someone working in a low level position for a Saudi government department was "involved" or sympathised with the 9/11 attackers. 15 of the 19 where Saudis. However, this is very different from the implication that the Government was involved, very different

...what have the Saudis ever done for us?

Well, there's the oil...

Cougar's ventures into fantasy.

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slowoldman

...what have the Saudis ever done for us?

Along with the M.O.D they keep the british arms industry in business.

they keep the british arms industry afloat.

I am sure if the West stopped selling arms to the Saudis the Russians would be jumping for joy. Just imagine the pages of speculation @jhj could come up with in a world where Putin and Russian foreign policy dominated the Middle East

Totally agree with Cougar.
JHJ - it's easily done, just start your sentences with 'i strongly believe that...' rather than trying to get a forum of people to research things that you already believe you know the answer to. You'd get less grief.

A pal on my bro-in-law was a bodyguard for the Saudi royal family at the time, and left soon after when celebrated 9/11...so this ain't news.

jambalaya

they keep the british arms industry afloat.

We sell the Saudi's $4bn in arms pa, [b][i]the French sell $12bn[/i][/b] ...

So what? Two atrocities don't make a right do they? Are the Saudis not the second biggest customer of the UK arms industry behind the MOD?

Yes, for sure if the UK didn't sell $4bn worth of missiles to the Saudis they would probably find another supplier to facilitate them blowing up schools and hospitals in Yemen but it would have massive repercussions for the british economy. Unless of course Prince Charles et al could quickly find another brutally oppressive Wahhabist regime to cosy up to.

Yes, yes, but apart from the oil and the arms...

slowoldman

Yes, yes, but apart from the oil and the arms...

It's already been mentioned several times..... Saudi Arabia is the worlds biggest radical Sunni Wahhabism.

the aquaduct?

If it's any consolation my brother who lives in the USA is exactly the same, he keeps sending out emails to all his contacts titled: "The real truth about XYZ...." or "You gotta read this...." and so on and his emails are pepppered with obscure references to imagined conspiracies. He seems to be happy to sit and waste 90 minutes watching some crap about how big business is secretly running America and actually demolished the twin towers. Maybe some of it is true but I haven't the time or energy to get upset about it.

He also hopes to retire to Arizona, buy some land somewhere remote, reject corrupt American society and become self-sufficient. He's already overweight and unfit (used to do Polaris with me before emigrating and marrying a nutter) and I guess he hasn't really thought much about the physical effort required to grow crops, raise animals and do all the stuff you'd need to do to survive.

http://www.funnymeme.com/funny-memes-barren

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Bit of a shame that really nick, as truth is, invasions of both Iraq and Afghanistan happened on back of 9/11 and despite extensive evidence of deep Saudi involvement, the 9/11 commission avoided full investigation.

Nonetheless, the classified 28 pages of the joint intelligence committee report into 9/11 were finally released on Friday, after being classified for 13 years... this intelligence was available to those in government before 9/11 was used to help drum up support for invading Iraq.

[url= http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/declassified-report-saudi-ties-september-11 ]Explosive Declassified Report Details Saudi Ties to 9/11[/url]

[b]Members of the Saudi royal family were sending money to a woman connected to the 9/11 hijackers[/b]

Prince Bandar, who served as the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States from 1983 to 2005, and his wife allegedly sent money to the wife of Osama Bassman. Bassman is suspected of having provided assistance to Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, two of the terrorists involved in the hijacking. Bassman’s wife reportedly received a monthly stipend from Bandar’s wife of $2,000, and the F.B.I. found cashier’s checks totaling $74,000 in the couple’s residence. According to the document, Bassman also cashed a check from Bandar for $15,000.

[b]A suspected Saudi agent provided help to two hijackers[/b]

Omar al-Bayoumi, a suspected Saudi intelligence officer, co-signed a lease and provided the first month’s rent and security deposit for hijackers al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar, and helped the duo find flight schools, according to the report. Al-Bayoumi also received a monthly salary from a company called “Erean,” which the report claims has ties to Saudi Arabia and Osama Bin Laden, even though he only showed up for work on one occasion and was “known to have access to large amounts of money from Saudi Arabia, despite the fact that he did not appear to have a job.”

[b]Two men conducted a “dry run” on a flight to D.C., with tickets paid for by the Saudi government[/b]

In 1999, Mohammed al-Qudhaeein and Hamdan al-Shalawi reportedly asked flight attendants a handful of suspicious questions and tried to enter the cockpit of the airplane twice. Al-Qudhaeein and al-Shalawi were flying to Washington, D.C., where they planned to attend a party at the Saudi Embassy. The two claimed the embassy also paid for their tickets aboard the flight.

[b]The U.S. phone number of the Saudi ambassador was found in an al Qaeda operative’s possessions[/b]

Abu Zubaida, a senior al-Qaeda operative who was captured in ****stan in 2002, had a telephone number in his phone book that could be linked to that of Prince Bandar’s Colorado residence. The telephone number of a bodyguard at the Saudi Embassy in Washington, D.C., was also found among Zubaida’s belongings.

[b]A man on a U.S. government watchlist snuck into the country with Prince Bandar[/b]

An unnamed suspect who was on the State Department’s watch list was reportedly “able to circumvent the Customs Service and the Immigration and Naturalizations Service because he was traveling with the Saudi prince.”

Certainly puts this in a new light:

Just don't mention Al-Yamamah

Well, in order...

Allegedly

Reportedly

Suspected

Claimed

Could be

Reportedly

In other words; supposition, assertions, speculation and cobblers.

That's not proof, it's a fairy story.

How do you get any housework done? Or bikes ridden?

That's not proof, it's a fairy story.

Bit like the basis of the invasion of Iraq... people still died though

Strange thing is, the 28 pages were published before the invasion of Iraq and classified by the Bush Administration.

That means they knew of extensive Saudi involvement, but chose to censor it, to pursue war in Iraq.

Some very interesting discoveries in here:

http://911raptor.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/the-kingdoms-phone.html

On August 24, 2001, a foreign intelligence report was issued with the title: [b]“Consideration by Abu Zubaydah to attack targets in the United States”.[/b]

President Bush has been widely criticized for ignoring the warnings before 9/11 and not taking appropriate action.

Zubaydah was captured on March 28, 2002. [b]On October 14, 2002, Bush called Zubaydah "one of the top three leaders” in al-Qaeda.[/b]

An alternate spelling of Zubaydah is Zubaida. This is the spelling most used in the 28 pages.

Abu Zubaida is mentioned on pages 418, 419, 428, 437, 438, 441, and 442.

I found the video by accident. It’s a sidewalk interview between two independent researchers and Robert Baer, the well-known former CIA case officer who was assigned to the Middle East. He has appeared on CNN as an analyst. He's written two best sellers, including "Sleeping with the Devil", revealing a convenient relationship between the Saudi royal family and the United States. His book was censored by the CIA. He has the credentials to know a lot of secrets.

After answering several questions, Mr. Baer said something no one had ever heard before. This was years before the 28 pages were released.

He said [b]“Look, Abu Zubaydah, one of the key guys, called Bandar in Aspen right up until the tenth of September, and then started calling him again on the sixteenth of September.”[/b]

Robert Baer wrote an article for “Time” in 2007. He said CIA Director Michael Hayden has admitted the CIA destroyed interrogation tapes of Abu Zubaydah. Also in the article, Mr. Baer said Zubaydah had two ATM cards on him when he was captured. One was issued by a bank in Saudi Arabia, with ties to the royal family. [b]Telephone records found in Zubaydah’s house included calls to the United States. The calls stopped on the tenth of September, and resumed again on the sixteenth of September.[/b] Those are the same dates he mentioned in the sidewalk interview.

http://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1692518,00.html

As far as I knew, Mr. Baer had never revealed who Zubaydah was calling in the United States, until that moment on the sidewalk. The Bandar he was referring to is Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi ambassador to the United States from 1983 to 2005.

Prince Bandar is a longtime friend of the Bush family, nicknamed “Bandar Bush”. He tutored George W. Bush on foreign affairs. He was very involved with the official business of the Bush administration.

There is a famous photo of Prince Bandar relaxing at the White House on September 13, 2001. He is sitting next to Dick Cheney, across from Condi Rice and President Bush. He has his legs stretched out and looks relaxed. And, [b]according to Mr. Baer, he had just received a phone call from Abu Zubaydah three days earlier, one day before 9/11. The evidence in the 28 pages supports Mr. Baer’s statement and explains how the phone calls occurred.[/b]

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A 2008 New York Times op-ed, titled [b]“Stonewalled by the CIA”, written by 9/11 Commission Chairmen Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton confirmed that interrogation tapes were never given to the 9/11 Commission. They wanted to question Abu Zubaydah directly, but CIA director George Tenet told them point blank that they would have no such access. Zubaydah’s interrogation tapes were destroyed by the CIA in 2005.[/b]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/opinion/02kean.html?_r=0

An April 15, 2004 CBS article revealed that Prince Bandar was shown the top secret Iraq war plans.

Here are excerpts from the article:

Journalist Bob Woodward calls his new book, "Plan of Attack," the first detailed, behind-the-scenes account of how and why the president decided to wage war in Iraq.

[b]"Saturday, Jan. 11, (2003) with the president's permission, Cheney and Rumsfeld call Bandar to Cheney's West Wing office, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Myers, is there with a top-secret map of the war plan. And it says, 'Top secret. No foreign.' No foreign means no foreigners are supposed to see this," says Woodward.

"They describe in detail the war plan for Bandar.[/b] And so Bandar, who's skeptical because he knows in the first Gulf War we didn't get Saddam out, so he says to Cheney and Rumsfeld, 'So Saddam this time is gonna be out, period?' And Cheney - who has said nothing - says the following: 'Prince Bandar, once we start, Saddam is toast.'"

After Bandar left, according to Woodward, Cheney said, "I wanted him to know that this is for real. We're really doing it."

But this wasn't enough for Prince Bandar, who Woodward says wanted confirmation from the president. "Then, two days later, Bandar is called to meet with the president and the president says, 'Their message is my message,'" says Woodward.

Prince Bandar enjoys easy access to the Oval Office. His family and the Bush family are close. And Woodward told 60 Minutes that Bandar has promised the president that Saudi Arabia will lower oil prices in the months before the election - to ensure the U.S. economy is strong on election day.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/woodward-shares-war-secrets/

On April 25, 2004, an Associated Press article outlined the importance of Saudi Arabia in the Iraq war. This article also states that Bandar was shown the war plans. According to the article, some lawmakers have demanded to know why a foreigner (Prince Bandar) was brought in on private war planning.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/25/news_pf/Worldandnation/Saudi_Arabia_s_help_d.shtml

Here is what can be proven.

President Bush and Vice President Cheney tried to stop the 9/11 Congressional investigation before it started. They wanted NO investigation into the events of 9/11. I documented this on my blog page titled “No Pages”. Their efforts were unsuccessful and there was a Congressional Inquiry.

[b]The 28 pages linking Prince Bandar with Zubaida and Bassnan were redacted from that Inquiry by President Bush in December 2002.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Myers would have read or known what was in the 28 pages. They would have known about the Prince Bandar allegations.

A month later, in January 2003, knowing what they knew, they invited Prince Bandar to review the top secret war plans.[/b]

It is possible that some of the allegations had innocuous explanations.

It is impossible that all of them could have been thoroughly investigated and explained in such a short time.

It would have been hard to explain a $15,000 check from Bandar to Bassnan. It would have been hard to explain how Zubaida got the unlisted private number to Bandar’s corporation in Aspen.

No one has ever asked Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Myers why they trusted Bandar after reading the serious allegations in the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry.

They weren’t just protecting the Saudis because they needed them to launch the Iraq war. [b]They trusted an individual 9/11 suspect, Prince Bandar, enough to show him the war plans.[/b]

Zubaydah was captured on March 28, 2002. On October 14, 2002, Bush called Zubaydah "one of the top three leaders” in al-Qaeda.

Covert surveillance photos just in:

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Bloody hell, didn't know they had ninja stars too!!