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Really impressed with Ecosse’s work at the breakdown...
oh cripes.
Ha ha ha ha.
WTAF is going on!
Yep. A long afternoon indeed. 🙁
Oh my!!! This is great. I cannot believe they did not stop him. England have looked woeful.
Englands lack of backrow balance has finally been exposed!
Looks like a reverse of last years fixtures.
Wow. #WorldBeaters looking rattled here. Hope Inverdale is ok at half time.
Someone call the AA!
The wheels appear to have come off the chariot.
Can I come out from behind the sofa yet?
Yup no genuine 7 in English rugby is biting us big time....affects 10 as well.....Ford can't play on the back foot.
Doubt we'll overcome a 16 point defecite.
England looked knackered after 60 minutes against Wales. Eddie Jones claims that they are 40% fitter than 2 years ago. Let’s see what they look like in 30 minutes or so...
AA you are right. Robshaw etc very slow, Scots all over Hughes and we don't have the answer .
What a mess. I wonder what EJ is saying now.
"Wow, I had not expected this. Looks like the Scotland team I’ve heard so much about have turned up."
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Its OK - we have the second half implosion to come yet.
I really can’t see the deficit being 16 points come the last ten. Cracking second half to come. I have to walk the bloody dog. Come on Scotland.
TJ,I fear you and I are both going to be proven wrong in our procrastinations.
It's the hope that kills you. Off to find some sedatives.
Yup no genuine 7 in English rugby is biting us big time….
I think having a 5 at 6 doesnt help. Wonder if the Hobbit will come out for second half
Do you guys see now why I rate Watson so highly? I think 6 turnovers between him and Barclay. thats whats winning us the game. that and today we are seeing "good" Russell - the one worth the best part of a million quid to Racing. Not the numpty who should be playing for Ayr 2nds
Cant stand Ian Robertson, there's a classic post about him on Gwlad still makes me laugh 10 years later!!
I agree Steven! Back behind the sofa it is
Its OK – we have the second half implosion to come yet.
England need a new plan, but do they have it?
Can Scotland hold their nerve?
Great for the neutral.
Oh, I’m too slow a typist.
This could be a long 40 mins
This refs shit, wheres he from!!
Now that's where I don't understand the advantage - they had a massive advantage and were too shit to take it. And get another free go instead.
Come on nige you can find a way to disallow it!!
Pinging the sh1t out of them!
This refs shit, wheres he from!!
They’ll be singing his name in Edinburgh tonight - he’s so good.
Scotland have to win now. I couldn’t bear all the ‘World class team wins ugly’ blah, blah
I like this Kinghorn kid.
En<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">gland throwing this away in desparation now .</span>
Outplayed by Scotland so far at least and well done to them.
Lucky thatwasny a few inches higher for all concerned!!
Lucky that wasn't red.
Hope they send out Mike Brown to be interviewed at the end!!!
I think we can summarise this game by TJ saying “I told you so!!”
Hope they send out Mike Brown to be interviewed at the end!!!
#neverforget
Whilst Scotland deserving this, No luck for us today either. Scotland no8 will get cited for as much eye contact that Ashton got 6 months for.
Scotland no8 will get cited
Doubt it
Summed up the mAtch there
Fair play to the Scots, they've cleaned us up at the breakdowns.
He will. He was highlighted on Tv making contact with Hughes eye area. IMO TMO should have called it at the time.
#WorldBeaters
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Thats more like it chaps.
What language is Russel speaking?!!!
Why weren’t more of them in the Lions squad. We can have won not drawn.
I think the booing bf Eddie and several England players is less than classy.
Well played Scotland .
Finn Russell man of the match best way to answer critics
Fair play to Scotland. Took their chances bummed us at the breakdown....properly bummed us at the breakdown. English rugby needs to wake up; this has been a glaring weakness this season domestically and at international level.
Russell was very very good today as was the Scottish backrow.
Hughes didn't complain at all. I don't think he really made contact and the camera angle made it look Worse
He was trying to hold off Hughes who was trying to lamp him
Ref called them both over, ased what it was all about and the answer was nothing really - so Hughes didn't think it a foul
[quote="AA]What language is Russel speaking?!!!
Weegie
FFS - who do you quote on this forum nowadays? Even typing it in don't work
Nah, Russel is from Stirling/Perth way.
I think that PoC just gave Inverdale a ‘don’t be a dick’ glare when Inv was complaining about poor reffing decisions. 😂
Well I didn’t see that coming, wonder what EJ will say.
Well I didn’t see that coming, wonder what EJ will say.
”Well look...” mainly.
Might still win the championship but we could have done with the bonus point there.
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Why weren’t more of them in the Lions squad. We can have won not drawn.
Don't start all that again! gatland does not like the way the scots play. Every 50/50 decision over selection he went for the guys who he knows and whos style he likes. Watson wouldn't get a game for wales 'cos he is too small despite being a superb breakdown operator etc etc
Watson wouldn’t get a game for wales ‘cos he is too small despite being a superb breakdown operator
We have Cubby to hold the tackle bags, dont need Watson
I imagaine EJ’s next move will be to try and install Scotland as championship favourites. France in Paris is going to be interesting.
Other than that, quietly noting Englandish fans gone silent on this thread.
I would have settled for respectability but will obviously take that! England need a dog back rower almost as much as Inverdale needs kicking in the bollocks.
Well I didn’t see that coming, wonder what EJ will say.
He didn’t look massively impressed in the post-match interview.
Well played Scotland. England were abysmal. How the f so you expect to win an international test if you dont compete at the breakdown with any numbers or intensity until the 70th minute. We also looked completely bereft of ideas out wide. As though there was no plans of how to adapt depending on what defensive system Scotland used.
IMO in the AP everyone decided that breakdown turnovers were no longer possible so they haven't been playing for them. in the pro14 everyone just sharpened up their act to win turnovers. So the scots are used to doing it and went into the match with 2 breakdown specialists - Watson and Barclay. England had none until simmonds came on.
Hughes was inneffective as a carrier as well. Scots defence was great. Disciplined and scrambling well.
England will have felt hard done by at what the scots were allowed to get away with at the breakdown, but that's a sidenote. The best team won today, and bloody well done to them.
I haven't seen england play so badly for a few years. Prob when Jonno was in charge. Harsh lesson should be learnt; there is no divine right to win. If you don't play well you'll get beaten by almost any team.
Ireland should be (rightly) licking their lips at the thought of the easiest grand slam in history. Good luck to them, I hope they do it.
How Barclay was not man of the match I have no idea.
England played badly because of the way Scotand playe. England had no time and space on the ball and were monstered at the breakdown. 15 turnovers. You cannot win games like that and I think I counted 9 breakdown turnovers to Scotland. Scotlands discipline was great as well. On the right side of the penalty count for once
englands misfortune to hit Scotland playing well and to have a ref who allowed the contest at the breakdown. England did not get the bounce of the ball or the rub of the decision - but Scotlands defence was also equal to the challenge. England rarely looked like scoring because there were blue jerseys there to make the tackles.
ickle jonny missed a tackle - his first this championship. 20 tackles made
Wrecker - Ireland have to play the mighty scotland yet 😉
There will be no grand slam this year. Ireland will beat Scotland in Dublin and lose to the plucky grand slam party poopers in Twickenham.
Thoughts from an England fan:
Well played Scotland - a good win in which England never really looked like coming close.
No real complaints about the reffing - particularly given we definitely had all the luck last game...Ar<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">guably a few 50/50 decisions didn't go our way but in rugby the team that's going forward and playing better often gets the rub of the green.</span>
We were destroyed at the breakdown - not only in terms of turnovers but also in decision making, when to commit numbers in both attack and defence. Scotland either didn't contest and had lots of defenders to hit the next tackle or did and invariably turned us over. One of the most worrying aspects is that this was the same in the Welsh game - our back row was consistently out performed and looked unbalanced and slow. We do have some talented 2nd row in England at the moment but pretending their actually decent flankers just because the economics of the EP leads them to play in that position is a conceit that's consistently exposed at international level.
I think our bench was stronger, arguably our best period of attacking play was in the last 15 with only 14 men but the yellow card (Underhill nor Simmonds TJ) negated any advantage this might have brought.
England were just dire. They have beaten far better teams than scotland recently. Just a very bad day at the office.
Really Wrecker? Who thats better have they beaten recently? aus? NZ? look at the rankings. Scotland are 5th and rightly so. You saw the real scotland today and they stopped England from playing and tactically out thought them
Well wales for one, what was the score when you played them?
Come on Tj, at least do a bit of homework, england beat australia the week before scotland did. Why would you refer to the rankings when England are placed considerably higher?
Ireland are going to trounce both of us, but it's likely that england will finish higher in the table than scotland given they are placed higher at present with a similar run in.
I'm off to see what the irish fan kit is like. Did I mention that I'm an irish citizen? ; )
Wales are below Scotland in the world rankings and have been for a while. They are not a better team Scotland will finish this 6N higher than Wales. Aus have a higher ranking but Scotland beat them home and away. do not make the mistake of thinking England played badly. They met the real scotland and scotland made them look bad by outplaying them, out thinking them and being better coached with better tactics
Its a classic - scotland only win because the opposition were rubbish!
I'm not scared of Ireland like I was of England. Sure an away win is hard but I think we have the players to beat them
I refred to the rankings as I think it shows the true strength of teams. England are rightly clear of the rest in second place although I don't know what this will do to the rankings
I’m not scared of Ireland like I was of England.
Are you playing?
Correction - Scotland dropped down the ranks after the welsh defeat but that will be reversed after this weekend
Nothing really between Ireland in 3rd and scotland in 7th before this weekend
Did TJ just say England didn't play badly? He spent to much time behind that sofa obvs.
CFH - it feels like I am- I was shaking with nerves and adrenaline during the game
And that's what our girls team can do.
Our real men play shinty... 🙂
Nah, well done Scotland.
I was surprised at how out of balance the English team looked. I'm sure they'll fix that in the next week or so.