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Just been watching the Hask video.
Question: if he had raised his arms (especially right?) and wrapped, it would have had the same impact but fully legal yes?
Or what would have made it legal if I have missed the point?
Head contact with force is illegal (sanctions from pen through yellow to red according to force and recklessness).
Not using arms in a tackle or clear out is also illegal. (ditto)
Head contact with shoulder with force and no arms means no pudding for 4 weeks.
Who is Thomas the Tank? you $hitting me???
Toootooooot!
Would be ace to see him in the squad! 😀
Thomas the tank - is that fatty waldrom?
ahh so even if he had tackled properly with arms, becasue it was head height, OK I get it. Defo seems fair for red then, double naughty..
Tackle without arms is foul play leading to a penalty with also a possible yellow if its forceful. Hit the head its yellow card with possible red if there is a lot of force.
Two issues - the tackle without arms and the forceful hit to the head
Who is Thomas the Tank? you $hitting me???
Nope, dont watch much English club rugby.
Question: if he had raised his arms (especially right?) and wrapped, it would have had the same impact but fully legal yes?
Thats a joke right?
Apparently some kid playing 8 for Sale is likely to be Wales squad? Andy Moore's kid
Thats a joke right?
Ahh no sorry, just a straight question.
While the Tank has dropped in form a bit recently and isn't always the Chiefs starting 8 he's still a bit of a power house. Not sure he'd make the cut for country anymore, mainly due to playing styles, but I'd love to see it!
Confirmed today that Wasps have signed Lima Sopoaga - Cips to now leave and head off to France for one last big pay cheque?
This rules Soppaga out of the world cup.
Sam Moore is the number 8 that you're on about a_a....looks like a good prospect, although in spite of the fact that I'm a Sale fan I've not really heard of him!
Gents ... slight thread hi-jack... but thought here was he best place for it.
I'm going to my first EVER rugby training session tomorrow night.
Will I die ?
Im fit and fast but old, mid 40s... could run a sub 4 hour marathon tomorrow and come a close 2nd behind the Pro footballer in the dads race on sports day 🙂 ... but would struggle to punch my way out of a paper bag. Having said that I used to play American football 20 years ago and I loved the contact (lets not get into that argument 🙂 )
I've got lucky in a way ... the local club is vsmall and are going to have a 2nd team for the first time next season. They'll be starting in the lowest "merit" ??league possible... partly so the old boys at the club can still get a game.
So anyone has anyone else started playing late or still having a go mid 40s
Any tips ?
Any tips ?
Dont do it
Training might be fine, but expect to be in pain after your first game!
Good luck.
Josh Adams and James Davies in Wales squad. Centre looks very weak
So anyone has anyone else started playing late or still having a go mid 40s
At the age of 45, 20 years after I retired from inside centre with injury, I played a "friendly" end of season game parents vs youth at my boys club last year for a laugh.
I won't be doing that again.
Scots squad of 40 out. Managed to find enough props for the quad but scraping the barrel a bit. NO real surprises apart from Nathan Fowles getting a place but as 4th scrum half he is probably only there for the experience. Laidlaws in.
In answer to the post above about imports from a rough count 12- 14 or so of them born outside scotland including a few who moved here as kids / are born of scots ex pats and are scots born outside of scotland. Not that many mercenaries
Plenty of young scots talent coming thru An inexperienced squad still - 18 of them have a dozen caps or less
In answer to the post above about imports from a rough count 12- 14 or so of them born outside scotland
I think the post was more about Glasgow and Edinburgh who considering theres only 2 pro clubs habe a lot of overseas players.
Forwards: Rob Evans (Scarlets), Wyn Jones (Scarlets), Nicky Smith (Ospreys), Scott Baldwin (Ospreys), Elliot Dee (Dragons), Ken Owens (Scarlets), Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs), Samson Lee (Scarlets), Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues), Adam Beard (Ospreys), Bradley Davies (Ospreys), Seb Davies (Cardiff Blues), Cory Hill (Dragons), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys, capt), James Davies (Scarlets), Taulupe Faletau (Bath), Ellis Jenkins (Cardiff Blues), Ross Moriarty (Gloucester), Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Aaron Shingler (Scarlets), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys).Backs: Aled Davies (Scarlets), Gareth Davies (Scarlets), Rhys Webb (Ospreys), Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues), Dan Biggar (Ospreys), Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Rhys Priestland (Bath), Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets), Owen Watkin (Ospreys), Owen Williams (Gloucester), Scott Williams (Scarlets), Josh Adams (Worcester Warriors), Hallam Amos (Dragons), Alex Cuthbert (Cardiff Blues), Steff Evans (Scarlets), Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets), George North (Northampton Saints), Liam Williams (Saracens).
Looking at something like
1/2p
Steff Evans or Cuthbert
Parkes
Williams O/ Williams S
Liam
Biggar
Webb
Moriarty
Tipuric
Shingler
AWJ
B Davies
Francis/Lee
Owens
R Evans
Wyn Jones/Smith
The Lion King
Francis/Lee
Cory BIL Hill
Navidi/Jenkins
G Davies ( could start with Webb benching)
2 of Patchel/Priestland/Anscombe
Whatever the backrow is its going to be a very un Gatland backrow.
I think the post was more about Glasgow and Edinburgh who considering theres only 2 pro clubs habe a lot of overseas players.
they don't have ridiculous amounts and mainly in positions were there is no home grown talent. Lots of scots youngsters coming thru. I really don't think this is an issue
I just went thru the Edinburgh squad 24 scots born, 18 non scots born. Of those 18 non scots born half a dozen played age grade for scotland or moved here as kids. Hamish Watson for example. BOrn in Manchester to scots parents. Never played rugby for a non scots team. Hamish FFS - how more scots can you be? Even Marfo has a scots mum
I don't know how this compares to other teams but it really does not seem to me that this is a team stuffed full of mercanaries More than half scots born and a fair amount of those that are not scots born have never played any rugby outside of scotland
Is it that the good players who make a difference are those that are foreign, TJ? The ones that win games and get noticed?
I always think that Ulster are full of foreign players simply because the best players they have are very high profile non-Irishmen. They may really have 22 Ulstermen and Pienaar/Piatau/Donald but because P/P/D is so good they catch my attention.
(I also think you're arguing with yourself because all teams do it and nobody really cares. 😀 )
It was a comment made after the last Edinburgh game ad I thought it worth looking into. I think part of the issue is a good few of the scots born don't have scottish names
All the real stars are either scots born or moved here as kids bar one or two like Nel.
Anyone else want to do this for their team to get a comparison?
tjagain - I don't know much about rugby so dismiss this if you like. But of the 20 odd years of only watching the six nations and the odd wasps game I know this much:
every time Wales get written off they tend to do better than expected, amazing even. I feel like this could apply to the other less well resourced teams, other than Italy.
So just because your Scotland is depleted and has a bunch of new players with not much international experience - I would say all bets are off. England have got a kind of expectant air, therefore much easier to surprise. Ireland have been through a great patch, therefore statistics show that they are likely to trip up. Your Major concerns are Wales who have been written off by other posters above, and as stated must be dangerous, and the French who are in turmoil so likely to produce at least one insane performance.
It is this kind of infallible logic that gets me through life.
So anyone has anyone else started playing late or still having a go mid 40s
I reffed a game last year and then went to watch my old school team. They had no front row cover so weren't allowed to bring ANY subs on. I agreed to cover as long as I didn't have to go on. I got changed, and walked out the pavilion in time to see the loosehead pull a hammy...a hammy ffs! I played 60 mins of a standard far lower than the one I used to right up to my mid 30's. Now I am 48, lift weights and run trial halfs but I thought I was going to have a heart attack and it wasn't so much a physio as a panel beater I needed for the next 3 days...But I am sure you will be fine... 😆
Love it 5plus8
Its the front row that is the worry. the rest of the young inexperienced players are fine - if yo are good enough you are old enough, Front row we have either players from years ago who were never really up to it or yongsters.
Anyone else want to do this for their team to get a comparison?
Ospreys have 31 Welsh players and 9 others.
Ospreys have 31 Welsh players and 9 others.
If one of those is Brendan Leonard that only counts as 8.5!!!
I just went thru the Edinburgh squad 24 scots born, 18 non scots born. Of those 18 non scots born half a dozen played age grade for scotland or moved here as kids. Hamish Watson for example.
So we are saying what 12 non scots out of 42? Assuming Glasgow were the same thats what 24/84 pro players in Scotland almost 30%. Seems quite a lot to me. Not saying Wales are any better mind and England have more teams so its less of an effect but it will stop some talent developing if the player pool is limited. Wales have more teams but it still affects us.
Based on squad from grauniad
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/dec/29/manu-tuilagi-left-out-england-six-nations-training-squad
All data taken or derived from wikipedia apart from T'eo. A lot fo the data is unclear as some may have been playing at school from a younger age, so in somw cases I have just taken the earliest date recorded on wikipedia which could be after they started playing at school.
Of 34 players, 8 are not born in uk. And really only 3 of those are sniffy. Teo, Solomana and Graham. The rest played age grade Eng so I am happy.
Teo is the worst - it seems he became eligible aged 28 after playing for samoa ffs.
Gary Graham played Scotland age grade and started eligibility at 23
Solomana played in uk from 21
Nathan Earle at 16 or younger poss.
Hartley 16
Smith at 15 or younger poss.
Vunipolas 11 and 12 I think maybe younger?
I think rules are rules and if you are eligible then that's fine by me, wherever you draw the line there will be someone close to it. (Teo..)
Vunipolas 11 and 12 I think maybe younger?
Mako Vunipola is welsh!
Oh and pretty sure Hughes is Fijian
I really don't think it stops talent developing. 60 proplayers in scotland plus another 20 or so elsewhare ( ?)- you - thats all the pro players we have. Its not so long ago that in the 6N glasgow had to play some older semi pro players. Don't forget the age group and academy players as well. Several of the "non scots" played age grade rugby i scotland indeed have never played outside Scotland.
intersting on the numbers you gave tho - smaller squad and more welsh
10s is a real issue for Scotland - we only really have one international standard 10 and loads of scots have been tried and found wanting. What do the pro teams do? Play a scot who is not up to it of bring in an import?
Hughes is out, injured. Vunipolas started playing in Thornbury at Castle school in early teens according to a source I got of Wiki.
PS Mako became eng eligble in 2009 at 18, which means he must have started playing in eng at 15.
Mako is welsh listen to him speak. He was older before he turned to the dark side! His brother is pure sith though@
12/47 born abroad in the Ulster squad. Mostly saffas
Don’t see it as a big deal. Ulster academy brings through plenty.
However Tommy Bowe is calling it a day at the end of the season. How we would have loved a team of Tommy Bowe’s!
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East Wales U11's before the dark times!
Teo is the worst - it seems he became eligible aged 28 after playing for samoa ffs.
If you aren't familiar with it, it's worth finding out a little about why Teo qualified for England. He wasn't interested in who he played for, he just wanted to play international rugby.
He said that on the tour prior to the last Lions he was cheering for anyone who played against the Lions.
Absolute cynical mercenary who should have been banned a long time ago because of that stupid thing on his arm and his tendency to forearm smash with it.
Mako is welsh listen to him speak.
Didn't his father play for Dunvant? Or am I thinking of someone else?
Trouble with imports is you don't really know until after their careers if they really loved the country or simply used it as a way to play international rugby - apart from the Likes of Visser who has never wrapped himself in the flag and made no bones about why he plyed for scotyland
For every Lineen who stayed in Scotland and made his life here there is a Leslie who buggers off home again as soon as he could
Mako Vunipola is welsh!
Not this again! 😆
At lesst he's been through the system properly; schooled in England for a descent while, England U18's, U20's, Saxons then the senior team. Started his professional career with an English club etc.
Guys like Hartley who have an English language parent at least have a proper connection to the country. I think grannies are pushing it and the three year residency is too short. Te'o's mum is English although having not arrived in England until Worcester signed him he does fall into the mercinary camp.
Anyone know any good rugby forums? Not single country based. The one I use is dying a death because of trolls.
Je suis confused..
Who is trolling? We have been talking about Wales, Eng and Scotland, then Ulster team was summarised. No French or Italians in yet.