I'm very sorry for not going along with the collective judgement.
Just out of interest, if you go back and read what I've actually written, what narrative am I pushing?
Other than the fact we shouldn't be writing a narrative yet because we have only seen a tiny part of the evidence.
It'll all come out in the coming weeks, i guess it's kind of fallen off the front page due to more horrible stuff happening.
As for racism, i've always seen that with police and every other authority over the years, there was institutional and individual types, never really grew up respecting the police due to some incidents i'd seen, but that was in the past for me, like every establishment these day, modernising and societal changes are making them be held to account more.
Bruce you seem to be hell bent on pushing your own narrative of these events despite that narrative being at odds with most other people’s views
"Despite"? How is that relevant? Only post something if you know everyone else agrees with it?
Some of what Bruce has said I don't necessarily agree with but imo his 'wait and see before jumping to conclusions' is one of the most sensible comment on this thread.
Especially as this particular case has emphasised just how wrong it can be to jump to conclusions
Other than the fact we shouldn’t be writing a narrative yet because we have only seen a tiny part of the evidence.
Yet you seem pretty sure that narrative should include racism. And strongly disagree with anyone saying that they can't see it from the "tiny part of the evidence" we have seen.
Can you see why that might look like you are being a bit contrary?
i see racist motives being quite a big stretch for how this all happened.
That's a totally valid point and one I'm not contradicting. The points I am challenging are the ones where people state that racism has nothing to do with anything. No one can possibly know that yet.
I outlined a couple of pages back why I found the actions of the male officer reckless. It seems strange to me that a trained firearms officer would act so recklessly. I asked mildred if they found anything strange about it and never got a reply.
Why dive straight into the middle of a group where the officers could have no idea which people were within the same group and who was just there. As it happened only one person jumped in to intervene but it could easily have been half a dozen. Then you've got three armed officers in the middle of a crowd jostling with all the potential for the shit to really hit the fan.
It seems incredibly reckless and makes no sense to me unless the officer was just really angry and desperate to nail an Asian who had just beat up a nice middle class white guy (allegedly, absolutely not saying I think that is the reason, just one of many possibilities).
There is too much that doesn't make sense for me to simply accept the narrative everyone else seems so keen on.
Sorry, but I'm not judging anything until someone can explain to me the logic behind this attempted arrest (and I very much doubt anyone on this thread is going to be able to explain it which is why I'm suggesting patience and wait for the investigation) because if this is the way armed officers always try to arrest individuals in a group where they don't know who is who then I can't help but think people would be getting shot every week.
Yet you seem pretty sure that narrative should include racism. And strongly disagree with anyone saying that they can’t see it from the “tiny part of the evidence” we have seen.
Just to be 100%clear, it's entirely possible racism had nothing to do with it. However, at this point, it's too early to completely rule the possibility out.
And a bunch of white people ruling it out anyway is not a good look.
And a bunch of white people ruling it out anyway is not a good look.
Yes, having your opinion dismissed due to the colour of your skin isn't great.
Deleted. I’m done.
Been there on this thread. You have my best wishes.
50 years ago in the north of Ireland they used rubber bullets and occasionally live rounds to calm riots.
50 years ago in the north of Ireland they used
rubber bulletsD-cell batteries and occasionally live rounds to calm riots.
Ftfy.
Appreciated thanks.
Has anyone seen the CCTV footage yet?
The CCTV footage that was posted back on page 8?
What a shit day.
Unbelievable scenes in videos of things that happened today.
It is indeed a shit day, and the scenes across the UK are very depressing.
But don't forget that it is a minority causing these "scenes". The majority of the population are nice people.
The folk who are rebelling (against what???) look so unbelievably thick, dumb, stupid, irrelevant & trivial it's laughable. They will all go away if we ignore this crap.
Can we not start the football early?, it’d give these dumb ****ing ****s something to do
They will all go away if we ignore this crap.
It won't. They have their own TV channel pumping shit into their brains, lots of Russian/Chinese money flowing into social media, right wing Murdoch press, and a Russian funded Trump apprentice in parliament.
What a shit day.
But only because you're watching the news and they're showing you the awful things. I was in central London yesterday at the NPG and honestly I couldn't hear the demo that was going on just a couple of streets away attended by tens of thousands. You'd not have known it was happening.
Mostly this is a few thousand idiots, the vest majority there because 1. they've nothing better to do, and 2. they want the chance to watch it all kick off. They're not (unlike London) protesting about anything, they don't have a grievance, they just want a barney.
If you think, only a few thousand people share these,views your sadly deluded.
The amount of people involved in these far-right riots is by all accounts very small. Typically 100-200 I believe, although often considerably less apparently
Unfortunately as monkey points out those on the streets are the tip of the iceberg, there are a worrying number of people in this country who hold intolerant and racist views, including many in immigrant communities. We are now a much more divided country than we have been for a long time.
The shame of it is we’re pretty much the least racist society in the world.
How do you measure how racist or otherwise a society is?
But only because you’re watching the news and they’re showing you the awful things
The news is very selective and not showing the awful things. Top trending hashtags on Twitter has it though.
It's also worrying that the level of people involved is rising - it doesn't seem to just be the bottom of the barrel idiots and raging far right doing the rioting. And you get peaceful people protesting for the same causes. It's good to see people standing peacefully against all this, but there are also groups of people standing violently against the original groups.
I maintain that it was a shit day overall despite having a lovely day myself.
The shame of it is we’re pretty much the least racist society in the world.
Certainly one of the very least in the world. 41% of Londoners were born outside of the UK, I don't think there is a capital city anyway in the world that can match that.
If you were to add all the Londoners whose parents were born outside the UK to that number I think it is probably safe to say that the majority of Londoners are either immigrants or the children of immigrants.
