I was referring to cultural and behavioural problems associated with some immigrant communities
Mm hmm.
I'm also "not calling you racist" I am saying that's what modern racism looks like. Statements like that, whilst not meant badly, end up being bad. It's little drip drip of corrosive statements that float about society reinforcing subtle negatives in people's minds, and before you know it you're pulling a foreign sounding name out of the pile of CVs because they're not a good fit for your company.
So…. This El Capitan bloke? Does he have a uniform? Maybe special Lycra with a row of shiny medals printed on it?
And is it a democratic appointment? Or like some kind of hereditary peerage?
Is it a purely ceremonial role? Or does it come with all-encompassing and unaccountable power like a 1970’s South American dictator?
So many questions…
Obviously nope, 400-500 people in my club, been going for nearly 100 years, no captain and no idea what one would do.
The role of a captain is to organise the club runs, often therefore called club run captain.
I am a member of two cycling clubs, one was founded in 1881 (probably the oldest cycling club in the world) both have captains.
Bit of trivia for you - a captain of my cycling died in action during WW1. My club did ride out to France on the centenary of his death, although I didn't go.
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I am a member of two cycling clubs, one was founded in 1881 (probably the oldest cycling club in the world) both have captains.
That's got me googling for the bikes that were around back then!
That’s got me googling for the bikes that were around back then!
Its first members rode ordinaries, or penny farthings. These were superseded by safety bicycles with two equally sized wheels and chain drive to the rear, much as the cycles of today.
https://anerleybc.org/history/
I see it is still the right whingers who one again demonstrate that they are the real practitioners of cancel culture, without even a flicker of realising the irony of their whining.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64883655
I can see Lineker leaving the Beeb if they want him to keep quiet - he doesn't need their money, he'd be able to earn enough elsewhere.
The guy seems to have a genuine conscience, despite his money.
I see it is still the right whingers who one again demonstrate that they are the real practitioners of cancel culture, without even a flicker of realising the irony of their whining.
The far right are the biggest bunch of snowflakes around. Happy to use inciteful language themselves, happy to stir up division, use racist tropes etc (that's "freedom of speech" and "telling it like it is") then when anyone describes them as racist or far-right, they run screaming to mummy cos the bad person called them names and tried to "cancel" them. Then they get their mates in the media to run hatchet jobs on the woke lefties...
Sadiq Khan faced similar at a recent anti-ULEZ demo - that whole 15-min cities concept along with ULEZ and to a certain extent Low Traffic Neighbourhoods has been hijacked by the far-right and he called it out. Said there were genuine people with legitimate concerns but also that far-right groups had infiltrated these demos. Immediately they were all calling for Khan to be sacked in spite of him simply "telling it like it is".
They really don't like the "woke lefties" telling it like it is. That's reserved for their fascist views.
Was this a success from Sunaks point of view?
Culture War issues are a good distraction, being compared to Nazis Germany by the nations favourite footy presenter is what they want or not?
The whole thing seems surreal in the midst of the cozzy livs crisis
And this is just weird or 4d chess distraction strategy?
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1633192836811112448?t=88VizJx92lzo9n405wyNSA&s=19
I am a member of two cycling clubs, one was founded in 1881 (probably the oldest cycling club in the world) both have captains.
I enjoyed the ABC website you linked to, a proper old school club ethos on that. My club seems to have lost a little of that spirit over the last few years.
So if you come legally you are free to access the UKs modern slavery system?
Presumably that covers things like car washes.
The far right are the biggest bunch of snowflakes around
I note that it was rent-a-foghorn ‘30p Lee’ Anderson who soiled his petticoats in outrage and lead the criticism of Gary Lineker voicing an opinion…
So if you come legally you are free to access the UKs modern slavery system
Presumably that covers things like car washes
Channel 4 news were interviewing migrants potentially attempting ‘small boats’ crossings in Calais last night.
They were saying that one of the main draws of the UK is the ease with which you can slip straight in to the black, no-questions-asked, cash-in-hand economy once you’re here
and to a certain extent Low Traffic Neighbourhoods has been hijacked by the far-right and he called it out.
It's no surprise to me that the people I work with who latched onto the idea that vaccines were worse than Covid are now convinced that 15-minute neighbourhoods are an attempt to control the population.
They were saying that one of the main draws of the UK is the ease with which you can slip straight in to the black, no-questions-asked, cash-in-hand economy once you’re here
Well when the government effectively defund HMRC so they can't combat all their rich mates tax dodging, it is no surprise that a black economy thrives at a lower level. The top of society create the example and the means.
15-minute neighbourhoods are an attempt to control the population.
I really don't get this 15 minute conspiracy thing.
I live in a village with a population of <2000.
I have every facility and service listed within 15 minutes walk.
Am I being controlled?????
Well when the government effectively defund HMRC so they can’t combat all their rich mates tax dodging, it is no surprise that a black economy thrives at a lower level.
I think another reason the black economy thrives is that the UK doesn't really allow asylum applicants to legally work.
This is in part due to the Blair/Blunkett era when the New Labour was quite hostile towards asylum seekers.
"Until mid-2002, asylum seekers could apply for permission to work if they had been waiting six months for an initial decision on their asylum claim. The Labour Government removed that concession, saying it was necessary to distinguish asylum from economic migration."
What are you going to do......sit in some hotel room skint ensuring that you don't break the law, or take up that offer down the carwash so that you have enough pennies to buy a drink later?
It's exactly that ^^.
Create a culture war - it'll give days of newspaper fodder, millions of social media posts, the impression that the Government is Getting Tough On Immigration and it'll distract from the numerous other fails much closer to home like spiralling inflation, cost-of-living and widespread strike action.
Wait until the manufactured culture war meets reality at which point it'll be shot down in flames.
Claim that the woke liberal leftie socialists have ruined your plan to Get Tough On Immigration.
This is just a repeat of the "number plates for cyclists" thing that went around last year when Grant Shapps sort of indicated he might rethink the policy and the papers picked it up and ran with it, there were days of newspaper fill which distracted from loads of other transport stuff like rail strikes.
Pick an outgroup - immigrants, cyclists, benefit scroungers... Manufacture a culture war and pretend you'll Get Tough On Them. Note you never have to deliver on anything - in fact the whole aim is that your policy fails which is always the fault of the liberal handwringing lefties.
What's of more concern is what they're trying to push through unseen in the background while everyone is distracted by this...
What’s of more concern is what they’re trying to push through unseen in the background while everyone is distracted by this…
I don't think they are trying to push anything through whilst people are distracted by this.
I do think it is a distraction though, it's obvious that it's a distraction - it's not designed to provide a sensible solution to a real problem.
But the only distraction the Tories are really concerned about is how deeply unpopular they are.
Rishi Sunak has made 5 pledges concerning inflation, the economy, national debt, the NHS, and small boats.
The first one is probably going to be very easy for him to deliver on as UK inflation is strongly linked energy prices which are currently falling.
The next three pledges are going to be much harder for Sunak to convince voters he has been successful with before the next general election.
The final pledge is also going to be difficult to deliver on but luckily for Sunak he has a cunning plan ..... propose new legislation which is very likely to be declared illegal, and therefore has little chance of making it onto the statute books, and redirect any blame away from him - a perfectly sensible set of proposals defeated by human rights and legal nonsense.
Although I guess his cunning plan could go tits up if his proposals do somehow become law and are shown to be completely unworkable and ineffective.
I guess it's a question of "fingers crossed and hope for the best". And to be fair based on how deeply unpopular the Tories currently are, and the almost certainty that they will lose the next general election, it sounds like a perfectly reasonable strategy to me - a huge dose of luck is probably the best that they can hope for.
Love how Sir Michael Take has been quoted by the likes of the Daily Heil before.
We live in odd times.
If the BBC are asking their sports presenters to stay away from politics then I think the answer is for Gary Lineker to switch chairs with Kirsty Wark.
Somewhat predictably, she was utterly useless again on Newsnight last night, providing as soft a landing as possible for the Tory shill she was interviewing, (or rather giving a platform to).
She is now saying ‘ it wasn’t me, I neither saw, read or signed off the email’
It did have her signature attached but was sent from CCHQ
She doesn’t say that she didn’t agree with the text though.
Mistake?
"Language not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s"
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Full MemberWhat’s of more concern is what they’re trying to push through unseen in the background while everyone is distracted by this…
Ordinarily I'd agree but with this sort of thing, the distraction is often the end itself. And in this case it's essentially a distraction from the government's total failure on immigration and total failure to even try to do anything serious about it, it's pretty much a circular distraction.
Was just thinking what constitutes a 'small' boat legally. Will the dimensions be written into the policy so if for example I used a 'big' boat to bring across some immigrants they would be fine?
It’s bizarre, isn’t it?
There’s no detail because it’s not really a policy. It’s just a headline. A Twitter post. A wish list. Thinking out loud.
It might as well have been made by that racist bloke whose always propping up the bar in the pub, for what it’s worth
You’ve a government with the best part of two years to go before an election, with a large majority which means, in theory, they can do what the hell they like
Doesn’t feel like that, does it?
The only policies they’re proposing are ones that even their own MPs don’t think they stand a cat in hells chance of getting onto the statute books, while simultaneously completely refusing to engage with the actual issues facing the country.., namely the strikes and the cost of living crisis
What on earth is the point of them dragging this out for another 2 years of stasis, doing absolutely nothing bar shouting some culture war bollocks
They’re just completely pointless. We’ve a totally absentee government, devoid of ideas or answers and morally bankrupt
I suppose that’s where blindly following a third rate journalist and narcissist gets you
Did you see Honest Bob on C4 news…? It may all be just signalling, not workable policy… but it’s still pretty unbelievable what’s proposed. If you escape from modern slavery in the UK, and you arrived by boat… you get sent out of the country (example he gave was to Rwanda)… why would anyone come forward to help the authorities catch and stop those that enslaved them in those circumstances?
I just watched ‘Honest Bob’.
No answers to any questions. Not even any attempt to explain the totally nonsensical nature of it all. Just utter gibberish. He didn’t even look like he could be arsed defending it. And why would you?
The Tory party doesn’t even actually exist any more, does it? Certainly not as a meaningful party of government. They’re just a motley assortment of individuals who haven’t the remotest clue what it even is they’re actually meant to be doing
It’s got the feeling of United on Sunday, after Liverpool had scored the seventh. Just hanging on, wishing desperately for the inevitable end, so they can just sidle off in complete disgrace, having comprehensively failed at everything they were supposed to be doing. Whatever that was
Was just thinking what constitutes a ‘small’ boat legally
All I will say is I am getting a bit nervous about my next paddling trip.
I think, to be generous, they have spent so long trying to stoke the hate with the willing help of the right wing media that they have got a bit stuck. "Small boats" is a great slogan to get people excited about but not so much use when it comes to actually addressing the core issues.
It’s got the feeling of United on Sunday, after Liverpool had scored the seventh.
3 word slogan & :talk of controlling our borders, they're using their Brexit tactics again, no matter how divisive and damaging it is
There will be more inflammatory cultre war crap to come, what's next death penalty referendum, axe the licence fee,
Stretching the football analogy, they're making a desperate play to hack, foul and handball their way back I to the game and just hoping the referee will let them off & the VAR stops working
C4 news are reporting that 'a source very close to' Cruella confirmed that she did know about and agreed that text, criticising civil servants directly.
Breaking the ministerial code and pants on fire in the same breath..
Was just thinking what constitutes a ‘small’ boat legally. Will the dimensions be written into the policy so if for example I used a ‘big’ boat to bring across some immigrants they would be fine?
Nah, I think just "by boat" is how the illegally entering the UK will be described as.
It works well with the snappy three word slogan "Stop The Boats" which they have pinched from highly successful racists on the other side of the world:
Edit: Who coincidentally like many in the Tory Cabinet are descended from immigrants. Or are possibly even immigrants.
They just don’t care any more.
Braverman broke the ministerial code with zero consequences, was subsequently sacked and reappointed 6 days later
Boris set fire to the ministerial code, pissed on it then put it out with a cricket bat. They’re utterly and completely, shamelessly corrupt
But you have to ask… where’s it got them?
It’s wreaked havoc on the country, but what have they actually gained from just desperately clinging in to power? There just doesn’t seem any point to any of it. And it looks like they can’t even struggle to convince themselves that their is, never mind the rest of us.
I can’t even be arsed hating them any more. They’ll be forgotten in a heartbeat once we get a government that can start to repair the damage they’ve done
I say I can’t be bothered hating them but I’d happily see Boris Johnson swinging from a lamppost. All this mess can be laid at the door of his ludicrous, planet-sized ego. The rest of them were just useful idiots. Nodding dogs who haven’t even got enough about them to emerge from his shadow
I’d happily see Boris Johnson swinging from a lamppost. All this mess can be laid at the door of his ludicrous, planet-sized ego.
I have seen the UK in a lot worse mess than it currently is in right now - early 80s, early 90s, and of course the 2007–2008 financial crisis.
I have never seen the Tories in such a mess though, ever. Three leaders in quick succession, the current one acting as if he is a state of panic and doing nothing to inspire the confidence of voters, and looming electoral meltdown.
Boris Johnson might well be highly responsible for the mess the Tories find themselves in but I'll let them decide if they want him publicly swinging upsidedown from a metal gantry.
FFS. He's gone full Mosley...
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Also, do the Tories employ the same graphics designers that do all the stuff for The Apprentice teams? It's just awful (in all senses of the word).
It's pretty frightening that we could be heading for some kind of 'showdown' GE where (assuming a labour victory) hard-right supporters try some kind of do-or-die manoeuvre to seize power.
C4 news are reporting that ‘a source very close to’ Cruella confirmed that she did know about and agreed that text, criticising civil servants directly.
Breaking the ministerial code and pants on fire in the same breath..
Imagine having to quit twice....
It’s pretty frightening that we could be heading for some kind of ‘showdown’ GE where (assuming a labour victory) hard-right supporters try some kind of do-or-die manoeuvre to seize power.
They'll never get their mobility scooters up the steps, be like being chasedby geriatric daleks
^^ Going to be a really, really nasty GE. Tory's are going full GOP.
That poster looking up at Sunakered, they must have taken that from below a glass floor or something.😉
They’ll never get their mobility scooters up the steps, be like being chasedby geriatric daleks
Ha! Cheers, needed a chuckle.😁
I don't think that poster in the previous page is any worse than Theresa May's "Go Home Or Face Arrest" campaign which was so appalling and nasty that even Nigel Farage was forced to denounced it!
And Rishi Sunak's attempt at bigot pandering will no doubt end up the same as Theresa May's - quietly dropped and forgotten, especially if the laws it refers to aren't even passed.
