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Still inwardly ranting about that poster.
It's so transparent. Who is it addressed to but who is it aimed at? It's utterly and openly propagandist but will still work.
Also, do the Tories employ the same graphics designers that do all the stuff for The Apprentice teams? It’s just awful (in all senses of the word).
I’ve frequently commented on the design of Tory/UKIP/GB NEWS etc.
It’s like their policies…. Once you remove subtlety and nuance and commit yourself to some kind of perceived representative purity, all you’re left with is flags, primary colours and big blocky fonts in capital letters
The ugliness on the outside reflects that on the inside
As long as the newspaper frontpages are shouting about migrants, Sunak will take it as a win
I have a horrible feeling that Sunak will turn out to be the twenty-first century equivalent of John Major (bland, dull, but pulls off an election win against all odds). (After the devastation wrought by Thatcher, the chances of the Tories winning again under Major seemed remote but oh how wrong we were!)
It's possible I've not been paying proper attention, but isn't being denied access to modern slavery a good thing?
I think it’s the thing I mentioned on the previous page… there are currently special measures in place for people who are victims of modern slavery after being brought to the UK… what they are proposing is to amend that system with a change in the law… and deport (although Honest Bob didn’t like that word) people who escape modern slavery, if they got here “illegally”. The victims sent away. Hard not to trigger the swear filter with this one.
I was chatting to a couple in the village who I occasionally meet while out walking my trusty dog.
More true blue you could not imagine. 100% paid up Tory party members, Brexit is wonderful, Boris cancould do no wrong.
Really unhappy with both Sunak and Boris, and want a new government.
I sympathized.
there are currently special measures in place for people who are victims of modern slavery after being brought to the UK… what they are proposing is remove those with a change in the law… and deport (although Honest Bob didn’t like that word) people who escape modern slavery
I was going to thank you for explaining, but now I know what it's referring to, I think I was happier in ignorance!
What's the difference between modern slavery and 'traditional' slavery?
Traditionally slavery was legal. In modern times it is not.
Traditionally slavery was legal. In modern times it is not.
Though it may effectively soon be as it’ll be the victim who’ll be punished. Trafficked, abused and exploited, then to top it all you can then be flown to Rwanda
Brexit Britain really is the gift that keeps on giving. How on earth did we end up with these shit thick, stone-hearted ghouls in charge?
Oh yeah… Brexit
They keep on digging, don’t they? These Brexiteer ****-wits.
What next? How we make things even worse?
Brexit trade treaty ‘could be terminated’ if UK quits ECHR over small boat crossings
The UK’s trade agreement with the EU could be immediately terminated if the British government quits the European convention on human rights (EHCR) over the issue of stopping small boat crossings across the Channel, legal experts have said
I have a horrible feeling that Sunak will turn out to be the twenty-first century equivalent of John Major (bland, dull, but pulls off an election win against all odds). (After the devastation wrought by Thatcher, the chances of the Tories winning again under Major seemed remote but oh how wrong we were!)
The situation for Rishi Sunak is very different to what it was for John Major.
Firstly as soon as John Major took over from Thatcher and became leader the Tories received a huge boost in the polls which gave them a significant lead over Labour.
That has not happened with Rishi Sunak, the Tories did not establish a lead over Labour when he became leader, there wasn't even a significant boost in support for them.
As John Major's honeymoon period ebbed away Labour did re-establish a lead but it was a relatively small compared to the current Labour lead, and it wasn't even consistent - regularly an opinion poll would come out giving the Tories a lead over Labour.
The Labour lead during the John Major's premiership before the 1992 general election was in single figures, typically 2-4%, a minority of polls gave the Tories a lead over Labour.
In contrast since Rishi Sunak became PM there has not been one single opinion poll which has given the Tories a lead. In fact there has not been one single opinion poll which has not given Labour a double digit lead.
The smallest lead that Labour has had over the Tories since Rishi Sunak became PM is 14%, the largest lead has been 30%.
What John Major managed to pull off was indeed remarkable - against a backdrop of most polls giving Labour a small single figure lead over the Tories he nevertheless managed to win a general election.
For Rishi Sunak to succeed he would need to do something which John Major never managed to do - win a general election against the backdrop of all the polls giving Labour a huge, sustained, and uninterrupted, lead.
Bearing in mind that unlike John Major Rishi Sunak couldn't even manage to achieve a Tory lead during his honeymoon period, his performance so far doesn't suggest that he will perform better than John Major.
Hence the current panic and desperate search for gimmicks. Unfortunately the best they could come up with this week was a proposal which they themselves admit has more than a fifty percent chance of being illegal.
At least they are probably hoping that it is illegal so that they never have to explain why it failed in its stated aims.
Edit: I should have added that when during John Major's premiership Labour had a large, consistent, and uninterrupted, lead over the Tories, John Major lost the general election.
I'm just going to switch off from this purposes law and all the noise, it'll never happen and even if it did it'll never work.
I do predict a rise in boat crossings though. This is a fantastic marketing opportunity for the people smugglers. "Get over there before this becomes law!"
Ive lost count of how many government announcements never actually see the light of day? I'm sure there is a list on some website somewhere.😉
Dunno if this has already been posted but I do find great irony that Brexit seems to have an inverse reaction to the benefits it was sold.
The steep rise in small boat crossings across the English Channel is deeply worrying. Ever more lives are put at risk in making the 21-mile journey. Human trafficking gangs trade in human misery. The UK’s asylum system is put under additional strain and at ever higher cost to taxpayers. The public has lost trust in the Government to put this right. In order to address the problem, we must understand it and grasp its underlying causes.
A key issue is that the Government did not see the problem of small boat crossings as a consequence of its policy failures, most notably its failure to secure a post-Brexit returns arrangement with the EU.
An effective plan to deal with small boat crossings is urgently needed to win back public confidence, to save lives, to improve our asylum system and help put illegal human traffickers out of business. This Report is an attempt to outline such a plan with over a dozen recommendations.
As a true honest born and bred white brit, I am certainly thankful that the UK's modern slavery system is reserved for myself, my friends and family, and those pesky foreigners will no longer jump the queue to gain access.
As I posted earlier
We were warned, but the beauty of labeling something 'project fear' was that anything negative could be dismissed with no scrutiny, or just plain lying
Whilst we argue about the next state of fascism from tosser government, it's very good at distracting about all the other things they failed to deliver. NHS, Energy, Economy, Immigration (My family are refugees so couldn't care less if it fails again!), Welfare, UK unity. I'm pretty sure I've missed quite a few but hey failure is something they seem good at. I guess when you saw UKIP and the party that became the conservatives, none of this is a surprise...
It looks like it will fail legally anyway, just like everything else they do.
I'm trying to ignore all the crap and hoping the local elections stick another stake into the heart of this government. One can hope anyway 😉 My wife is on a warning, that if it gets any worse, I'm out of this crappy country and all that sail with her...
JeZ
I have seen the UK in a lot worse mess than it currently is in right now – early 80s, early 90s, and of course the 2007–2008 financial crisis.
What was actually worse?
I'm old enough to have lived through all those times as an adult (left school in 1981) and while it might have seemed (economically or social or both) worse, on the whole I would suggest that the vast majority of us did actually trust those in charge, even if we might have disagreed with their politics/policies.
This really doesn't feel the case now, and even looking at the outlook in purely economic terms, unless you're very, very well paid and/or independently wealthy you're feeling the pinch - even we're noticing it and according to the stats we are in the top 1% of households for income.
And that's before we get to the social changes that the current Govt is pushing through - when will ordinary folk wake up, will it be when they can't actually afford healthcare or something else?
What was actually worse?
You have answered your own question :
"I would suggest that the vast majority of us did actually trust those in charge, even if we might have disagreed with their politics/policies".
The current crisis is lack of confidence in the Tory Party, it is them that is in a mess, not so much the country, as was the case in early 80s, early 90s, and of course the 2007–2008 financial crisis.
Although quite why anyone should have trusted Margret Thatcher when there were over 3 million unemployed, as you seem to think people should have, I don't really understand.
It is the Tory Party that is in a mess right now, not the UK - certainly not in comparison with events of the last 40 years.
The entire immigration policy now seems to revolve around why Gary Lineker shouldn’t be allowed an opinion on it. 🙄
seems to revolve around why Gary Lineker shouldn’t be allowed an opinion on it
Almost as if the culture war bullshit is the entire point, isn't it.
not the UK
Maybe in your bubble. Not everyone is hit by falling living standards and failing services equally.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/fisherman-facing-4-760-years-164446077.html
Obviously this has nothing to do with Rishi Sunak but since this thread has, thanks to his diversionary tactics, been discussing the boat people issue the last couple of days I thought I would post it.
And ask, what is wtf is wrong with European countries?
It seems unfathomable that any European country would sentence anyone to 280 years in prison in 2023. When you read the details of the alledged crime it reads more and more like some sort of grotesque joke, ffs.
not the UK
A more extended quote for you Kelvin:
not the UK – certainly not in comparison with events of the last 40 years.
. This is a fantastic marketing opportunity for the people smugglers. “Get over there before this becomes law!”
Except it applies to anyone arriving from yesterday....
A more extended quote for you Kelvin:
not the UK – certainly not in comparison with events of the last 40 years.
Why not go the whole way, and say times were tougher during World War II? For workers on normal means, especially outside London, things have been going to shit... we're getting poorer, with worse access to crumbling and reducing services. "Back in the day" I bought into the whole "Labour and the Conservatives are all the same" messaging... I've had over a decade to realise otherwise... especially since Cameron got his majority government. Sunak is overseeing a national realisation of that now. The NHS, and people's experiences of it, are a good barometer of this... but it's in every area of life.
Well I've just seen your post on the Starmer thread Kelvin, this is obviously not a day to attempt to engage in sensible debate with you! 😊
It is the Tory Party that is in a mess right now, not the UK – certainly not in comparison with events of the last 40 years.
Disagree as per my previous post, and it's going to get a whole lot worse for the vast majority of folk.
The UK isn't even technically in recession! The lowest levels of unemployment for almost 50 years!
I will admit that things are grim if you are a Tory politician though. Very grim indeed.
Edit: The greatest current issue is energy prices. It is a very serious issue but it is not one which will or is persisting, which is why inflation, which is the same as the EU average, is falling and will probably be down to 2% by the end of the year. Less than 2% could become a problem.
The UK isn’t even technically in recession!
Well, we can tell you what's happening outside your bubble. Feel free to stick your fingers in your ears.
Except it applies to anyone arriving from yesterday…
Surely that’s just another element of this nonsense that will fall apart on first contact with reality?
You can’t just back-date laws. Not that any of this crap will ever make it into law, so I suppose it’s academic.
This whole thing isn’t a realistic policy in any respect, and Braverman and Sunak know that better than anyone
It’s just a massive dead cat that will also get their reactionary racist base purring
The UK isn’t even technically in recession! The lowest levels of unemployment for almost 50 years!
I will admit that things are grim if you are a Tory politician though. Very grim indeed.
Are you seriously suggesting that the UK is in a good place?
We have the worst Government in modern times. Blatantly corrupt and barely competent.
Working people can't afford to pay energy bills and rely on food banks.
People can't afford to pay rent or buy property.
The NHS is being systematically destroyed in order the pave the way for privatisation.
The country and ordinary people are being absolutely ****ed by this shower, in order to keep their rich friends richer.
The UK isn’t even technically in recession! The lowest levels of unemployment for almost 50 years!
I'm with the rest here who are disagreeing. Back in the last recessions, there probably was a link between being in work and not in poverty, but that's just not the case at the current times. There are plenty of families with parents in professional positions, (nurses, teachers etc.) who are using foodbanks FFS. Paying these people, who were being lauded by the government as Covid hero's just a couple of years ago a proper wage would apparently drive inflation though, so what are you going to do??
I agree with the country going down the toilet, and I am seriously considering emigrating. Though, there is a risk of falling for the grass being greener - I think globally everywhere is going through a tough time. With the limited news I read about politics in NZ and Canada it sounds much less self serving, but I'm sure it has plenty of problems with politicians too.
As a swing voter I sit here and listen to the arguments for who I should vote for. I'm not convinced labour will be able to get us out of this mire. All I will be doing is voting for them because I don't want the tories in any longer.
In the past I've voted green, but feels like I just waste my vote.
Are you seriously suggesting that the UK is in a good place?
No. Why don't you read my post?
Saying the UK isn't "technically" in recession doesn't suggest that it is in a good place, in fact it suggests the complete opposite.
The UK has however been in recession on many occasions in the last 40-50 years.
What is unique about the current situation though is the mess that the Tory Party is in, nothing like this has been seen in the last 40-50 years.
2% inflation by year-end?
In your dreams.
Well admittedly I am a simple soul who doesn't understand complicated things. I tend to rely on others.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/22/uk-inflation-could-fall-below-2-citi-forecasts
The UK isn’t even technically in recession! The lowest levels of unemployment for almost 50 years!
And millions of those people in work depend on benefits - you're stuck in the 80's, unemployment numbers aren't the be all * end all anymore.
unemployment numbers aren’t the be all * end all anymore.
That is exactly my point. Unemployment isn't even an issue these days. The crisis is not an economic crisis, it is a political crisis.
It is about growing inequality. That is why Liz Truss's "trickle down" policies were such a disaster for the Tories. And why the Tories are in such a political mess right now.
I think that the difference to the current situation than the thatcher years and 2008 is that in those cases a minority were badly affected and became marginalised from society, while the rest paid lip service to their plight but ultimately just got on with their lives. The current situation is affecting everyone (apart from the fabulously wealthy) so they can't pretend it is someone else's problem.
50 years of neolibrilism and austerity put personal finances in the balance, people thought they were doing ok debt and rising house prices masked the structural problems with the way the economy was being run. It was easy for those with a small stake to think they had done something special to gain a stake, and blame the marginalised for being weak and stupid, but it was really all just luck and opportunity.
Then with not very much pressure at all, just a short period of higher inflation, the façade fell. Living pay check to pay check, struggling to pay bills became normal for the majority, it wasn't just for the "weak idiots" anymore it is everyone's problem now.
My son and his partner are both working full time but are struggling financially.
Nursery costs for their 2 year old, rent has gone up and will do again I'm sure later this year.
I'm having to help them financially every month and the amount I can help them out is getting more limited as I'm not immune to the rising costs of pretty much everything.
The thing is, I am fully aware that we are in a far better condition than millions of families out there.
There must be so much suffering and worry hidden behind the front doors of millions of households at the moment.
^^ I agree, it's both.
This is primarily a political crisis. The economic situation isn't fantastic, obviously, it very rarely is, and straight after an unprecedented pandemic which brought everything to a standstill, plus war in Europe, now is no exception.
But to focus on the economy is to do the Tories a huge favour, they are often more than happy to do precisely that. Thatcher certainly was, as was David Cameron. Any excuse for austerity.
The problems/crisis/issues with one of the very richest nations on earth is political. It is about inequality and distribution of wealth.
The problems/crisis/issues with one of the very richest nations on earth is political. It is about inequality and distribution of wealth.
Not sure it's very useful to differentiate political and economic issues. They're so intertwined you can't separate them. Inequality will (or already has) become an economic problem as the asset owning classes, and the top 1% in particular, horde their money rather than spend it into the economy. The govt then need to take up the slack which they're unwilling to do so we get austerity, which fuels stagnation and recession, and then further political upheaval from the resentment and anger felt by the majority of voters. It's a downward spiral which can only be broken by a govt (and govts globally) willing to face down the top 1% and reclaim the billions/trillions and put it to use for the greater good. The likelihood of that happening is probably less than something else occuring to force the issue (usually war).
Is Sunak's household in the top 1%? Just asking...
Is Sunak’s household in the top 1%? Just asking…
And Starmers, and the vast majority of labour MPs. Hence why I say it's unlikely. 🙂
If I was to predict the future I would say we're heading for a social breakdown situation with populist politicians gaining power. Probably after a Starmer govt demonstrates its unwillingness and/or inability to change much. I was in the pub with some work colleagues last night. 3 white middle class men with degree educations and responsible(ish) jobs. All I heard for two hours was seething resentment against wokeism, how white men are the oppressed minority, how the liberal elite are trying to destroy the country. And these were people who have never been very politically interested in the past. It was quite eye-opening.
The UK isn’t even technically in recession! The lowest levels of unemployment for almost 50 years
1) yet but it hasn't grown for years now. In fact the only time growth figures ticked up was towards the end of the pandemic when government spending on medical stuff shot up.
2) unemployment is higher than you think. It's probably double the official figures because of the way it's calculated excluding certain situations.
3) With interest rates going up this adds to inflation as the price level increases. The UK and USA aren't getting this
4) recession is just about holding off which is surprising to me but when it comes it will likely be a big whack.
The central banks were expecting to engineer a recession through unemployment and thus slow the economy. But it's working back to front currently.
Don't forget macroeconomics tracks wider trends and we're simply experiencing things on a small time frame.
We're in a very contradictory time with monetarists in charge of decisions and fiscal stimulus being given a wide birth.
It's definitely coming home to roost but just not yet. Just keep an eye on the markets they keep pumping just after Powell does his stuff in the USA.
The rich are swilling it.
Dollar strength shoots up occasionally but then money goes back into risk-on assets.
All adding to inflation currently.
Neoliberalism works for just enough people to keep the methods in play.
'could' is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that Guardian article.
Even if inflation does fall to 2% by year end that will do nothing to change the fact that higher prices will be baked in by then so most of the population will see no benefit.
Also we currently use unemployment as a backstop.
Unemployment is currently preferred over inflation. That's criminal.
The government could use a job guarantee as a back stop and pay a wage to surplus labour to do things that we need that the private sector simply isn't doing. It's not as if there isn't a shortage of things that need fixing.
You then tax the wealthy to control inflation and limit their ability to suck up resources.
could’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that Guardian article.
Even if inflation does fall to 2% by year end that will do nothing to change the fact that higher prices will be baked in by then so most of the population will see no benefit.
Inflation won't drop to 2% until they stop raising interest rates.
And even then 2% was ridiculously arbitrary.
USA based but applies here.
https://twitter.com/DanielAlpert/status/1627654100266655745?t=PUIePME_MkD-4OprK-bd-A&s=19
and the vast majority of labour MPs
No Labour MP I've met has been close to being in the 1%.
I can't find wealth figures, but here's some earnings gossip..
While 54% of MPs are Conservatives, they account for 89% of external income over the last three years. . That includes Geoffrey Cox, who has earned £2.2m from legal work in the last three years while serving as Tory MP for Torridge and West Devon.
The former attorney general received much of it for his work advising the tax haven of the British Virgin Islands, which is being investigated by the UK government due to corruption concerns.
John Redwood, Andrew Mitchell and Chris Grayling were among other prominent Tory MPs to be paid more than £200,000 in additional income since 2019.
The Labour MP with the highest outside income was David Lammy, the shadow foreign secretary. He has taken home £202,000 since the last general election on top of his main salary, with the biggest source of income being fees for presenting a weekly show on radio station LBC. The only other Labour MP in the top 20 was Jess Phillips, who has earned £162,000 in the last three years from media appearances and writing books – including £5,000 for being a guest on Have I Got News for You.
No Labour MP I’ve met has been close to being in the 1%.
According to this the top 1% is at least 3.6M. You're right in that most labour MPs won't have that but a lot of them will and most others not far off or in the top 5 percentiles. Either way it doesn't give much confidence that they'll be motivated to change anything when they themselves benefit from the status quo.
You're right that Starmer's household will be in the 1% (as is Corbyn's... but he's not a Labour MP now). Very few other Labour MPs will be though... and you could probably add the wealth of all the Labour MPs together and not even get close to the wealth of Sunak's household. If extreme wealth breeds suspicion of motivations (and understanding)... the suspicion of Sunak should be off the chart compared to other MPs, especially the ones that aren't Tory.
I see our resident revolutionaries are back onto their favourite subject... moaning about Labour MP's 🙄
For some context, Boris Johnsons earnings since leaving Downing Street have just passed the £5 million mark. And he's a peasant compared to Rishi
Boris Johnson criticised for making millions while rarely appearing in Commons
I see our resident revolutionaries are back onto their favourite subject…
Yeah how we fix our broken political and economic system, as opposed to the soap opera of who is prime minister and how rich they may or may not be. 🙄
Harming the economy? Well low unemployment is supposed to stoke inflation and cause the economy to overheat.
Thatcher certainly used mass unemployment to control inflation/prices. She strongly believed that inflation was far more important than unemployment, unsurprisingly.
Weak trade unions and anti-labour legislation means that low unemployment isn't translating into higher wages, as might be expected. In fact wages are being very effectively suppressed and are nowhere keeping up with inflation.
They are certainly not the cause of inflation. And recent price rises aren't really caused by inflation anyway - it is simply a price adjustment caused by a massive hike in energy costs, it is not sustainable.
And any economic model which requires high levels of unemployment to stay healthy is clearly a shite economic model. So your question is largely irrelevant to me.
Where would we be without the Daily Telegraph telling us the truth?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tax/news/how-jeremy-corbyns-hard-left-high-tax-manifesto-delivered/
"Conservative governments under both Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak have adopted a string of tax policies proposed in Jeremy Corbyn's 2019 manifesto, Telegraph analysis has found".
Where would we be without the Daily Telegraph telling us the truth?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tax/news/how-jeremy-corbyns-hard-left-high-tax-manifesto-delivered/
“Conservative governments under both Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak have adopted a string of tax policies proposed in Jeremy Corbyn’s 2019 manifesto, Telegraph analysis has found”.
So it's been Corbyn running the country all along - just like a good old Scooby-Doo mystery.
He'd have gotten Away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids.
To be honest, did everyone not realise that the ill fitting fat suit and the mop for hair was obviously a disguise.
I see our resident revolutionaries are back onto their favourite subject… moaning about Labour MP’s
And the resident Centrist can never see any criticism of anything other than a blindingly obvious Tory shambles.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1634104663602606082?t=suiIcuK0v5m963movkIuxg&s=19
Damn thought I'd posted a TG article about the Tories.
And any economic model which requires high levels of unemployment to stay healthy is clearly a shite economic model. So your question is largely irrelevant to me.
That's the outmoded Philips curve for you.
The back stop should be a job guarantee. So instead of putting people on the dole you offer them a job/training to fix knackered state stuff paid for the government - stuff the private sector is woeful in.
With every passing appearance in the commons or in the media Yvette Cooper transforms a little bit more into Anne Widdecombe. Won't be long til she's being dragged along the floor on Strictly.
So sunak has just gifted £500 million to the French Gov for nothing of any value or relevance.
Try selling that and the fact there is no agreement on returning migrants to France to the tory frothers.
Recession is looming, no brexit benefits to be seen but we gift half a billion to the French.
From Macron to sunak...Rishi, mon ami, you are very welcome to visit again - and please bring another cheque!
They should put that on a big red bus - 'Why don't we give France £500M' 🤣
No doubt tomorrows newspapers will be crowing about Gary Lineker taking a MoTD time out instead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64916446
Anyone else think that France will be laughing all the way to the bank?!
There's probably already a French ministerial piss up in full swing on British taxpayers money as they fall about laughing at the stupid Brexity British.
Can't say I blame them.
I suspect that the money won't be handed over if France doesn't provide the extra 500 officers and a new detention centre as promised.
Although the Tory government will be history by the time it is completely anyway.
Any Questions R4 8pm today - panellists are Alison McGovern labour shadow minister, chris philp tory mp/ex minister, Enver Solomon british refugee council, richard tice (shudder).
McGovern & Solomon v philp & tice.
Should be interesting.
Repeated tomorrow after 1pm news.
Could also have posted this to the Lineker thread.
I suspect that the money won’t be handed over if France doesn’t provide the extra 500 officers and a new detention centre as promised.
Still nice to have a load of local jobs created including some building work and have someone else pick up the tab.
Can I call that a cheeky little Brexit bonus 🙂
To counter the Fail comments page, sunak will be hailed in the Elysee Palace as a great friend to France.
Treble Dom Perignons all round!
The very latest opinion poll, it was conducted yesterday and today so well after all the "Stop The Boats" Tory media fanfare had hit the headlines:
https://twitter.com/Omnisis/status/1634202484901138457
'Stop The Boats' doesn't seem to be helping them much.
It reminds me of how with everything stacked against him Zac Goldsmith made a desperate attempt to win the London mayoral election by launching a racist campaign against Sadiq Khan.
It spectacularly backfired on the Tory candidate and just exposed him as a loser scraping the gutter for votes, just like the current PM.
This uptick in growth is laughable.
It's still negative growth November - Jan. You get odd months where you get a small bump every now and gain.
Overall unless a trend develops things are flatlining/ declining - have been for ages.
Easy to shunt everything on to 30p. (MSM lol)
https://twitter.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1634139219932192768?t=avHg-pdzxFUZ-2gIuTWtvw&s=19
have been for ages.
Since 2008 in fact. And we currently the only country in the G7 with that dishonourable status.
"You won't see this in the mainstream media", says Lee Anderson.
"I saw that in the mainstream media earlier today", says I.