but what about at the front,
I need to take another photo of it finished at the front.
There is an enormously thick RSJ (1/2" steel) spanning the piers either side of the front door, onto which the wall continues up with another padstone sat on top.
So the ridge beam is supported at both ends and the middle.
The padstone goes on top of the blocks here:
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8182370335/ ]Blockwork on inside of front lintel[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
That makes more sense!
Sorry i'm using this as a distraction from my current task - pricing an 8-storey apart-hotel in post-tensioned concrete frame including retaining the existing facades of an old warehouse and constructing a basement behind. All in a land-locked site with no access whatsoever in central London.
I wish I was building a garage!
Sorry i'm using this as a distraction from my current task - pricing an 8-storey apart-hotel in post-tensioned concrete frame including retaining the existing facades of an old warehouse and constructing a basement behind. All in a land-locked site with no access whatsoever in central London.
Can you not get away with a sharp intake of breath followed by a whistle through your teeth, a slow shake of the head and 'Its not going to be cheap mate.'? You can then head out on your bike without exerting any more effort on things so mundane as an accurate price.
I thought that was the official way of doing these things.
No, I haven't charged my lights 😉
Well the Steel arrived today and the steel fabricators helped me lift in into position, which I wasn't expecting - thought they'd just drop it off. They had to re-drill the cross member as the original holes were in the wrong place for the post. Chippies arrive Saturday to do the roof joists, then I just need to find a roofer....
Oh yes and they forgot to drill the holes to bolt the ridge plate on, so they're back tomorrow with the mag drill and a different drill bit to drill the beam in situ!
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8188655534/ ]Drilling new post holes (as the originals were wrong)[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8187583907/ ]Fitting the post[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8187591393/ ]Ridge beam on padstone[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8188673832/ ]We need some packers....[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
Jeezo! That beam is nearly as substantial as your floor slab!
Jeezo! That beam is nearly as substantial as your floor slab!
It's actually quite small compared with the cross RSJ and the front door lintel thing which is half the length but more than twice as heavy!
This shed is going to be approximately 20 times stronger than my house
[i]This shed is going to be approximately 20 times stronger than my house [/i]
The roof on my old house was held up by a few bits of 100 year old 3x2.
Our current one, being only 80 years old uses slightly more bits of wood but nothign bigger than 3x2.
This shed is going to be approximately 20 times stronger than my house
I like the idea of building things which will last a very long time, hence the concrete block / brick design.
your bikes must be a struggle uphill 😉
Thats a lot of £££ for a man cave
Metal Fabricators back to drill the ridge beam for fitting the wood ridge plate:
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8189648787/ ]Dave marking out the holes for the ridge beam[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8189649885/ ]Magnetic drill[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
The roof on my first house which was well over 100 years old, was cobbled together from old bits of driftwood ( old masts etc )
So going by this, the life expectancy of your man cave could be measured on a geological time scale.
I like your style 😀
eye
wateringly
expensive
!
seriously... what is this gaff costing you? WTF are you going to put in it? i mean, i like my bikes, a lot! but this is beyond the realms of normality...
what about adding another skin of brick work to help properly insulate the place? and what are you going to do about the damp?
Seeing this thread come back made me feel happy 😀
EEEEPPPIICCCC!!!!!
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Alpin, I believe the second skin issue has been discussed on multiple pages and still isn't being used.
At least when global thermo-nuclear war kicks off I know where there'll be a structure still standing that has bikes in it!
Are you having a concrete roof or something?! That steelwork is a bit OTT!
This man cave is starting to resemble the WW2 built reinforced concrete air raid shelter that we had at the end of the garden when I was a kid. If you covered it with earth I think that you will be safe from possible Doodlebug attacks 🙂
Its not a bike shed as he'll have you believe, its a
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100mm Celotex on inside, rendering on outside, walls with meet a U value of 0.18W/m²K.
As for damp, I'll seal the bricks below the DPC using cellar paint and install a second DPM below the floor insulation (also 100mm celotex).
I've also started digging french drains around the border, so water can't stand above the base.
I put the ridge plate on last night, and the Chippies arrived at 8am to put the roof timbers in.
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8193042624/ ]Ridge beam with SW ridge plate fitted[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
Working under my Gazebo as it's raining right now..
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8193044932/ ]Chippie's saw[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
I've seen barns with less substantial supports than your gazebo!
Did a den collapse on you in childhood or something - you seem obsessed with over-engineered solutions 😉
Footflaps - Just out of interest what is the cost of the garage, only asking as I'm looking to do the same.
😳
That's a tree behind it. Was looking at on my phone & thought it was corner prop for the roof
Oops.
Lol at wwaswas 🙂 didn't think it was that substantial!
That's a tree behind it. Was looking at on my phone & thought it was corner prop for the roof
Surprised you didn't point out the load bearing trellis as well.
Rochey,whatever the cost is you can build the something with the same
performance for a lot less if your designer/engineer doesn't like spending clients money quite so much
^^ ouch.
Jamie - Member
That's a tree behind it. Was looking at on my phone & thought it was corner prop for the roof
Surprised you didn't point out the load bearing trellis as well.
Load bearing tree and trellis 😆
Seriously cool "shed" though, I want one!
That's not OTT steelwork...
This is OTT steelwork
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Rochey,whatever the cost is you can build the something with the same
performance for a lot less if your designer/engineer doesn't like spending clients money quite so much
Yep, you can do it a lot cheaper, but I wanted something substantial. The Engineer first suggest a wood cabin thing, but I wanted brick, steel and slate.
The shell will come in at £15k, but it would be a lot cheaper if it was just out of blocks. E.g. some of the options weren't the cheapest e.g. handmade imperial bricks so the front matches the house and I get planning permission for it, six 1m2 Velux windows in the roof, so the whole thing is bathed in natural light, double glazed french doors, 50mm steel back door, tiled rood using slate.
Currently my lawn is now a joist production line:
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8192214585/ ]Roof joist production line[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8193307620/ ]Ed at work[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8192224011/ ]Finished joists[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
Thanks for such an interesting thread footflaps i'm really going to miss it when its all finished.
One question, Is it on budget?
Lovely saw 8)
Thanks for such an interesting thread footflaps i'm really going to miss it when its all finished. One question, Is it on budget?
It will be slightly over, mainly due to me paying extra to get people to do things at WEs / short notice to try and make up some lost time. I could probably build the exact same thing for 20% less now I know what I'm doing / how to haggle / what prices I can get on materials by haggling. Eg I turned up in a yellow hi-viz jacket today to get a load of metal fixings and managed to get an extra 33% off my 60% discount just by complaining a lot about the cost of doing a job and how much my margins were cut. If I'd known that at the start, I'd have ordered all my materials that way... I'm still coming in at 60% of the quotes I got for the complete job as a fixed price, so am saving £12-15k by managing it all myself / doing a load of donkey work.
Here is my bricies work from this avo
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[i]Its a brickie off![/i]
End of play today:
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8192572133/ ]Untitled[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
For the eagle eyed amongst you, the frame for the Velux isn't finished as it's only single timber cross beams, it's just marked out for size right now.
footflaps, sounds like you've enjoyed being so involved with the build 😀
Was that always plan or just 'cos of the now infamous bricky ?
Whats that large blue thing beyond the joists?
footflaps, sounds like you've enjoyed being so involved with the build
Was that always plan or just 'cos of the now infamous bricky ?
I was always going to PM the whole thing and do as much as possible DIY, but originally I had expected to do more stuff myself, eg joinery, but it sort of dawned on me that it was a bit larger than I'd realised and so many jobs are better suited to 1.5 men or two men, that it made more sense to hire professionals in, plus I'd quite like to get it finished asap, so I can do the fit out.
I know you're building it like a bunker but... question is, will the Velux frames take the armoured glass?50mm steel back door
will the Velux frames take the armoured glass?
Armoured glass, that's for amateurs, I'm having shutters made up from decommissioned explosive reactive tank armour.....
50mm steel back door
I'd love to own the tool that could prise apart and penetrate your back doors prior to bashing them in good and proper.
😉
qwerty, I'd imagine a few pints should achieve that
Ooo er qwerty!
Footflaps sounds like you need to watch your er "back door".
50 mm back door will be a lock formed steel hinge door with two 1.2 mm (18swg) zintec sheet type door with a rebated 3 sided frame, circa $100 from ping pong land. Great door for this application with three point locking in a primer finish. Expect to pay £300 fitted. 900 x 2100 mm standard size. You can get in em with a crow bar if you know what your doing. Easier to drop through the velox though. 😆 ( may have a U value of 1.43 W/m2K)
( may have a U value of 1.43 W/m2K)
Are people still fitting windows with such poor U values?
davidjones15 - Member( may have a U value of 1.43 W/m2K)
Are people still fitting windows with such poor U values?
Thats the door.
It was the Velux bit that confused me. Comment still stands. 😀
Since the back door is only for occasional access, I don't mind the poor U value as I'll make a celotex cover to fit inbetween the returns.
Door is this one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STEEL-DOOR-EXTERNAL-SECURITY-GARAGE-HOUSE-WOOD-UPVC-FIRE/261128088771
Since the back door is only for occasional access
My back door is exit only.
he shell will come in at £15k
You could buy [s]a car[/s] several really nice bikes for that ! 😯
Here is some progression on ours
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It is great to see the walls going up on my project that Google/STW have helped out on. The difference between the brickies blocks and my attempt with the retaining wall is pretty stark to say the least!
You could buy a [s] car [/s]several really nice bikes for that !
The way I see it, is a small family car costs the same, but you only get 10 years out it, plus massive running costs. This workshop will still be here in 100 years time and will require very little maintenance.....
glitchy bump
querty - what type of blocks are they - really odd colour?
Their local blocks for local people. made in South Cerney, available nationally, fair faced, costa lotta but leaving as single skin nekkid so no render (except maybe to hide my 4 courses of butt fugly block work).
I'm considering using the length of the wall as a climbing wall for our son.
Anyone else find this thread doesn't load properly when a new page starts? I get the old page until about 4 new posts have been made on the new one.
The weak point of that door is the euro cylinder lock, takes me about 20 seconds, tops, to break into one of those, so I expect scrotes to be off with your bikes in no time at all.
Footflaps its a problem witht the board when threads get to long, the problem on the Rugby threads get people very vexed 😆 it's better than it used to be but is a pain.
The weak point of that door is the euro cylinder lock, takes me about 20 seconds, tops, to break into one of those.
I'm not too worried about the lock, I can just bolt it from the inside or possibly weld a plate over the external key hole so you can't access the barrel from outside.
or buy a decent anti snap lock for about £40 and not worry about it?
or buy a decent anti snap lock for about £40 and not worry about it?
I've looked at these, not really sure how good they are eg Avocet do anti-bump and anti-snap euro locks.
I'm not sure the one that comes with the door is a standard Euro lock as it has two installer keys which only work until a 'standard' key is used, at which point the installer keys no longer work - not seen that before.
Chippies finished last night:
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8202743286/ ]Rafters fitted[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8202744250/ ]Rafters fitted[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8202744888/ ]Rafter / Ridge Beam Joint[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8201650459/ ]Double timbers around Velux openings[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8202734342/ ]Rafter & Wall plate interface with Fascia board and soffit fitted[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
He arrived at 8.30 and GF said he left at 4
14 pages and no one's asked if Mrs flaps seemed unduly upset by him leaving?
I once saw a house where the man cave was built by a guy who owned a building reclamation yard. It was a miiturised church complete with stained glass windows, solid oak door, gargoyles, the lot! I did wonder if the workbench was an altar.
After everything else it'd nice to see you managed to get a good joiner! Nice few bits of attention to detail, nicely trimmed out for the velux's etc! Onwards!
After everything else it'd nice to see you managed to get a good joiner! Nice few bits of attention to detail, nicely trimmed out for the velux's etc! Onwards!
Cheers wrightyson, good to know he's done a good job!
I've often wondered why designers use steel at the ridge, if you thini about it it could be a thin pice of board really (The two sides/ pitches of a properly designed roof should balance out hence no steel required)
Steel ridge the garage is no bad thing . Some where to anchor the block and tackle 🙂 - just lifted an old boiler into my van on my jack jones and regret it ..... Wish i had an aframe sometimes.
I've often wondered why designers use steel at the ridge
In this case it's because there are no A frames, to keep the whole roof open for a mezzanine floor to be fitted.
Steel ridge the garage is no bad thing . Some where to anchor the block and tackle
yep, will be fitting a tracking block and tackle to it at some stage....
Yeah, chippies have done a top job!
Get them to do your fascias & sofit if you havnt already.
nice tight joints/details there,going to bolt or Timberlock the doubled elements around the roof lights together?
best thread ever.
puts my 8x6 shed into Sunday league status.
Will you be fitting it out for Christmas??
nice tight joints/details there,going to bolt or Timberlock the doubled elements around the roof lights together?
They were supposed to bolt them but forgot to do them, so I've got them back in 'detention' tonight to fit the bolts....
You have to watch everyone like a hawk in this building game 😉
Get them to do your fascias & sofit if you havnt already.
yep they have added that on as well.
One question I have is why do Building regs insist on 'twist nails' for the joist hanger brackets?
🙂 if they use Timberlocks they'll need to use 4-5 times the number of bolts they were going to use.