They sucked in glory hunters, as no doubt do Celtic, when there's any glory to be had, but the 15,000 connoiseurs who booed them off the pitch following their recent not-on-the-season-book cup exit to Dundee United, is probably a realistic ballpark figure of their core support. Still an order of magnitude bigger than anything else in Scottish football. They'd still attract and retain better players than their competitors in a lower-division scenario.
The real glory hunters will just sit in the house watching Sky and cheering on Man City and Real Madrid; some of them, the ones who are nominally Rangers fans but who follow the smaller provincial teams to big days out such as cup semis and finals, might become more regular attendees.
true, and that will see them through the 3rd and 2nd. But of those 15000, how many will there be after 2 years of playing part time teams? Dundee still carry a big support for D1 but struggle. I reckon by the time they're back in the SPL, they'll be about the size of Aberdeen, (12000 average attendances when they're doing reasonably well), maybe a bit less.
Why are we discussing football in a foriegn country followed by idiots who believe in a sky god.It`s not like the football or the country is anygood to anyone let them all **** off and join the euro
Why are we discussing football in a foriegn country fololwed by idiots who believe in a sky god.It`s not like the football or the country is anygood to anyone let them all **** off and join the euro
Love it.... Listening to Old Firm fans you would think it was a foreign country....... Some have a rather shakey grasp on history and English.
because, and I appreciate that your might have difficulty in handling the concept, some of us actually live in that "foreign country". And given that's what the thread is about, it might be appreciated if you were to **** off and take your arrogance and stupidity with you
Edric 64 - MemberWhy are we discussing football in a [b]foriegn country fololwed by idiots[/b] 😆 who believe in a sky god.It`s not like the football or the country is anygood to anyone let them all **** off and join the euro
We're discussing it. You're trolling.
There is a "do not click on thread title" option for subjects you do not wish to discuss.
Just winding folk up as it seems to be a feature of this thread
I just dont get the bigotry not being Scottish or Catholic Irish .I suppose they could return to Ireland if living here is so bad
I just dont get the bigotry not being Scottish or Catholic Irish .I suppose they could return to Ireland if living here is so bad
..and you could go someplace else, but you won't will you? Why do stupid people breed? I mean don't we have enough of them, **** me, we built a wall to try and keep them out and now they sneak in through that internetworky thing
Oi! They're not independent yet. So we get to talk about them still. It'll be worse when we're neighbours though.
Like two families with ASBO's, on a dodgy council estate. Just picture the piss-soden mattress casually disgarded on the overgrown lawn. The cans of stella strewn about the place. The car up on bricks.......
I'm feeling quite misty-eyed
Edric 64 - MemberI just dont get the bigotry not being Scottish or Catholic Irish .I suppose they could return to Ireland if living here is so bad
Where do atheist fans of Scottish football like me fit into your equation?
Anyone else living "here" you'd like to send back while you're at it, Mr Garnett?
The car up on bricks.....
with how many headlights? 1? or 6? lovely caravan by the way, does it go any where?
The cans of stella strewn about the place
Tennant's Super dear boy, the old purple tin every time. sheer poetry
I lived with my mamma
'til I was sixteen
old time religion
the sweetest of dreams
and now that I'm agin'
and concience is dead
in my left hand the Bible
in my right hand an old purple tin
I went to the doctor
'cause I was unwell
he said, "my boy,
you all shot to hell
I go'n write you a prescription
for some pure heroin"
but I traded that sucker
for a six pack of that old purple tin
the old purple tin
the old purple tin
sweet testament Lord
to the state that im in
I drunk it all day
I drunk it all night
the old purple tin
oh Lord, lights up my life
I am in prision
the light never shines
I can't see my bible
so dark is the night
I'm waiting for letters
that never get sent
all my brothers and sisters
on the corner with that old purple tin
the old purple tin
the old purple tin
sing it now
sweet testament Lord
sweet nine percent, Lord
to the state that I'm in
I have drunk it all day
I have drunk it all night
the old purple tin
oh Lord, lights up my life
lights up my life
lights up my life
lights up my life
thank you alabama3
I dont know if there is anyone else living in Scotland I would like to send anywhere else 😆
And the Irn Bru /battered Mars Bar diet
Ah yes. The purple can isn't a patch on .....
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Now [b]THAT[/b] is class
And the Irn Bru /battered Mars Bar diet
really, what is that? your excuse?
Edric 64 - MemberAnd the Irn Bru /battered Mars Bar diet
Och, jings! That's a stoatir! 🙄
You do know it isn't compulsory to state your IQ alongside your username, don't you?
😆
Edric 64 - MemberYou lot really bite out in the colonies dont you?
It's the likes of you that put the "colon" in colonialism.
my, how sharp, witty and amusing you are trying so hard to be.
EDIT - oohh did that last post just disappear up your own ar%e?
They've been a suppurating boil on the arse of Scottish football for decades, for innumerable reasons, and it's time it was lanced.
Picturesque 🙂
Get rid of the lot I say.
Turn the fitba fields into velodromes...
We've got that covered over Celtic park way. Actually as a piece of useless information Celtic park was a regular cycling venue in its formative years. Some pics if you are interested. http://celticgraves.com/topic/8205065/3/
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Rangers are owned by Swiss Tony! No wonder they are in the shite!
In other news that will bother Bigbutslimmer and myself, we won't get our £100,000 from the cup game 😕 To me that is the real tragedy of one half of the [s]bigot brothers[/s] old firm going into admin.
duckman - MemberIn other news that will bother Bigbutslimmer and myself, we won't get our £100,000 from the cup game To me that is the real tragedy of one half of the bigot brothers old firm going into admin.
Whyte man speak with forked tongue.
I guess Hearts are in the same boat over Wallace. Apparently Caley Thistle are also owed 100k.
Nice way to treat the clubs you expect to waive all existing rules and welcome you back into their league with nowt but a rap on the knuckles.
I think all footballing debts are meant to be paid first, but if a CVA is accepted then maybe that goes out the window? That would be poor treatment of the other clubs. WIth any luck someone will convince the club that its in their interests to pay these outstanding debts?
I was speaking with my in-laws at dinner (they are up visiting us) and my mother-in-law said that when Livingston went into administration they had to restart in the bottom league, so what's the deal with Rangers being allowed straight back into the SPL?
SFL vs SPL rules? Livingstone, I think had actually started liquidation proceedings as well.
Rangers would need a 10 to 1 vote for it from spl member clubs to get back in. I don't see Celtic voting positively, and I don't see whoever is in the relegation spot voting favourably. And that's before you look at the likes of Aberdeen Dundee utd, hibs. Don't see it myself.
Ho hum - MemberI was speaking with my in-laws at dinner (they are up visiting us) and my mother-in-law said that when Livingston went into administration they had to restart in the bottom league, so what's the deal with Rangers being allowed straight back into the SPL?
Hasn't happened yet. In uncharted waters though, with some notions of Rangers being too big to be allowed to fail, and the deal with Sky being dependent on X number of games featuring them. So there have been some murmurs about the existing rules being waived or bent.
I think if Rangers come out of administration successfully, a 10-point penalty is their sole sanction. If they become insolvent or are liquidated, as is likely if HMRC secure preferred creditor status, then as a new entity, by rights, they should go to the bottom of the league pyramid, hope another club goes bust, creating a vacancy, and start again, as happened with, say, Airdrie.
seosamh77 - Member
Rangers would need a 10 to 1 vote for it from spl member clubs to get back in. I don't see Celtic voting positively, and I don't see whoever is in the relegation spot voting favourably. And that's before you look at the likes of Aberdeen Dundee utd, hibs. Don't see it myself.
You seem to forget that Rangers are at all these teams grounds 4 times a season doubling their attendances for most of these games. Also without Rangers I doubt sky would be as interested.
Oh I see.
Thanks for the explanation.
without rangers the spl will become more exciting for the 'diddy' teams. however without the other half of the bigot brothers, celtic fans/ sky/ sponsors will get bored quickly.
If they become insolvent or are liquidated, as is likely if HMRC secure preferred creditor status, then as a new entity, by rights, they should go to the bottom of the league pyramid, hope another club goes bust, creating a vacancy, and start again, as happened with, say, Airdrie.
Why would they need to wait for a vacancy? They would have created one by going bust.
TBH I think we should all care more about the tax owed being paid back (or better still being paid in the first place) because if it isn't then we all have to make up the shortfall or endure cuts in public services.
In addition to the massive historic HMRC debts £9 million is allegedly owing under the new regime in less than a year!
So you'd rather have Rangers in the SPL or a few hospitals closed?
I think people need to put things in perspective.
Scottish fitba has been shit for years, so it's not going to be that much of a culture shock..lobby_dosser - Member
without rangers the spl will become more exciting for the 'diddy' teams. however without the other half of the bigot brothers, celtic fans/ sky/ sponsors will get bored quickly.
I agree the league would be better for the smaller teams though, and that their attendences would rise along with that, not a bad thing for the game tbh. And with the pittence sky gives to scottish football(in comparison) well it could probably make up some of the shortfall, not all mind.
Will there be less money, will more teams go to the wall as a result? Probably, doesn't necessarily mean the death of the game. You would see increased competition(and a downsized celtic too). But who knows where that would lead.
I personally think people saying it's the death of scottish football are a bit wide of the mark, and tbh, more sympathetic to rangers than they care to admit(clearly i'm not)..
Personally i'd take my chance without them. It was rangers that started the arms race, which hasn't done anything bar get teams in bother and a less competitive league. Maybe teams will take notice and realise they have to live within their means, whatever that entails. we are getting further away from the likes of England and Spain anyhow, so may as well go for it now imo.
Regardless, we'll see what happens, who knows what the future holds. I've a sneaky suspicion that some of these missing millions will turn up to back a new Rangers.
Why would they need to wait for a vacancy? They would have created one by going bust.
Airdrieonians created a vacancy by going bust. But then Gretna(?) filled it and Airdrie had to subsume what was left of Clydebank to get back into the league as Airdrie United.
The Scottish Football League would be no obligation to accept Rangers newco's application. As in the case of Airdrie, re-entry was not automatic. They may prefer to admit a club from the Highland League or the Junior ranks. Buckie Thistle maybe. Or St Anthony's Jnrs, since the Govan area will be under-represented. 😀
I think it was ex board member at Celtic, Michael Kelly that I heard gloating at Rangers demise today on Radio 5 Live. A recent statement from Celtic CE Peter Lawell appeared to mirror these sentiments. I haven't seriously followed Scottish football for a few years, but can understand ordinary fans having a laugh at another clubs expense, however undignified comments from prominent people within Scottish football lack grace and class and leave a sour taste in the mouth.
These self centered, parochial opinions do nothing to help sort the problems endemic in Scottish football, which few people could deny is currently on it's knees.
Some of these jokers should learn from people like Billy McNeill and John Greig!!
Some of these jokers should learn from people like Billy McNeill and John Greig!!
Agreed. Peter Lawwell is one of the most undignified men in the game if you ask me, but the fans love his rhetoric.
Perhaps the clubs will stop buying in expensive foreign talent use the academy systems to bring on young talent and scottish football will take off again.
How many non-scots in aberdeen's squad that won the cup winners cup final in '83(?).
Yay! 30th Anniversary next year and all!
All of Aberdeen's players were Scots - what chance of pulling together 11 Scots to beat Real Madrid next year?
[i]Edit [/i]- Neale Cooper was born in India, so he might qualify as the only Indian to play in the Cup Winner's Cup.
Somewhere i have a copy of the programme signed by the aberdeen team (including big fergie) and some of the Real team.
