being of a different religion
I realise it's a minor point in the face of a £80m tax bill, but Catholicism and Protestantism are different traditions within the same religion, rather than being different religions.
What is much funnier if you appreciate irony is that it's the [i]loyalists[/i] who have been defrauding Her Majesty's revenue and customs. Clearly their allegiance to Liz doesn't extend to forking out to keep her in the manner to which she's become accustomed.
I see that Whyte is trying to come to an creditors arrangement with the HMRC - presumably he's offering to set up an Orange Standing Order?
And why am I am idiot? I don't sing songs glorifying sectarian terrorist organisations, something I think would be a fairly clear indicator of idiocy....Wanders off crying to burn his postgrad in History...
What has 4 legs,a wet nose,and more money than Rangers? Harry Rednapp's dog.
seosamh77 - you really need to be a loot more careful with what you're telling us about the songs you sing.
Probably a good idea to delete this thread now, before it gets a bit silly.
This is why I am so glad that I now care not a hoot for Scottish Club football. I used to be a follower of one of the Glasgow clubs, but the bile filed hatred of both sets of fans simply sickened me.
They criticise one another, yet spit hatred and fury out in equal measures. Neither can see the error of their ways and it is always the "others" or "establishment" against them.
The embittered rantings and ravings to battles in a foreign country are simply ludicrous.
Tiddlywinks anyone?
Surrounded By Zulus - Member
Probably a good idea to delete this thread now, before it gets a bit silly.
I think threads like this provide a public service, douchebag awareness if you will.
douchebag awareness if you will.
I think that most of us were well aware of seosamh77s status.
Probably a good idea to delete this thread now, before it gets a bit silly.
Seems a bit late for that to be honest. What a glowing picture it gives of Fans of the beautiful game, north of the border.
Previously all I'd had to go on was watching in disgust, as one set of Glasgow fans, behaving like animals*, trashed our city centre 🙄
* in fact, to be fair, that's an insult to animals
I also remember the visit of Rangers to Manchester, an absolute disgrace of a club and collection of so called fans. The end of rangers could be a good thing for Scottish football.
The end of rangers could be a good thing for Scottish football.
Scottish football in the long right might be better off, but there would be a large period where all the other teams would struggle due to the lost income. The resistance to league reformation that would of lead to the loss of 4 games from the Old Firm a season shows how important these games are to the other clubs. If they got through this period, there might be light at the end of the tunnel but its a long shot.
Manchester was very unfortunate 🙁 Cant really defend the behaviour of the fans, but considering there were 150,000 odd fans and it was only a small % of that that caused trouble. Combined with Manc council selling booze from 10am there was always the potential that there was going to be some issues.
It also appears now Rangers and HMRC are fighting in court over who gets to put the club into admin. Strange situation to be in :s
Manc council selling booze from 10am
Yes, imagine that, selling booze during normal licensing hours is to blame for what went on in Manchester!
Yes, imagine that, selling booze during normal licensing hours is to blame for what went on in Manchester!
Didnt say it was to blame, but having it set up the way they did certainly didnt help.
If i could be arsed(which I can't) I could go an find you recent cases where an attempt to do someone with singing that particular song was thrown out out, but ho hum, lets all go on the daily records word, bastion of fine journalism.TandemJeremy - MemberNow if I remember correctly the boys of the old brigade was one song you defended.
Manc council selling booze from 10am
Oh... they didn't wait til 10. I rode down Cross Street at 8am and picked my way through Paralytic Rangers Fans vomitting and pissing in the street, and abusing passers by. I saw one gang shouting utterly obscene comments at every female who walked past. It was an absolute disgrace.
At least they all had the consideration to all be wearing their 'colours' so they could be easily identified as complete morons
The silliness started when they proclaimed the conflict in the 06 counties is purely a sectarian conflict and it's that black and white. But well it's their ignorance not mine, I'm happy to let them wallow in it.Surrounded By Zulus - Member
seosamh77 - you really need to be a loot more careful with what you're telling us about the songs you sing.Probably a good idea to delete this thread now, before it gets a bit silly.
binners - MemberManc council selling booze from 10am
Oh... they didn't wait til 10. I rode down Cross Street at 8am and picked my way through Paralytic Rangers Fans vomitting and pissing in the street, and abusing passers by. I saw one gang shouting utterly obscene comments at every female who walked past. It was an utter disgrace
Yes but this will not be from Council sales of booze. You may find that the travelling ambassadors of the great skint club may well have brought some with them. Did they not introduce Lancashire to Buccy?
If i could be arsed(which I can't) I could go an find you recent cases where an attempt to do someone with singing that particular song was thrown out out, but ho hum, lets all go on the daily records word, bastion of fine journalism.
Digging yourself into a deeper hole, but everybody else on this thread...and the media would appear to be at odds with the "facts" as you see them. Again; why are songs glorifying an organisation that carries out sectarian killings not bigoted?
this is why we'd all be really delighted to have you both in the epl.
I your mind, aye mibbe so...As I said earlier, that doesn't really concern me.duckman - MemberDigging yourself into a deeper hole,
This is why I am so glad that I now care not a hoot for Scottish Club football. I used to be a follower of one of the Glasgow clubs, but the bile filed hatred of both sets of fans simply sickened me.
You do know that football's played outside Glasgow, don't you? And that that sectarian bile of which you talk is only heard when the Bigot Brothers are in town
The silliness started when they proclaimed the conflict in the 06 counties is purely a sectarian conflict and it's that black and white. But well it's their ignorance not mine, I'm happy to let them wallow in it.
As a matter of interest, does a room appear darker or lighter to you when you walk into it? I only ask because I've never actually met anyone so dense they can attract light
this is why we'd all be really delighted to have you both in the epl
Yes that's the spirit, judge one of the larger-supported clubs in the world by one fan with controversial song views on a mountain bike forum.
I've never actually met anyone so dense they can attract light
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BigButSlimmerBloke - MemberThis is why I am so glad that I now care not a hoot for Scottish Club football. I used to be a follower of one of the Glasgow clubs, but the bile filed hatred of both sets of fans simply sickened me.
You do know that football's played outside Glasgow, don't you? And that that sectarian bile of which you talk is only heard when the Bigot Brothers are in town
Indeed BigBut.... There is however plenty of bile between the other clubs. Plus let's face it, it aint exactly top fare.
The defenders of the tribal chanting, no matter what side are extremely irritating. They see no other point of view.
Brycey - with the greatest of respect - I've been going to old first division, premiership and European matches since i was 7 and even back in the supposed 'bad old days', I have never witnessed anything even approaching the behavior of the Rangers fans in Manchester. Worse than animals, I'm afraid
Binners; totally agree. They were an absolute disgrace to Rangers and Scotland.
Rewind a couple of years to Seville and you'll see a different picture though.
Brycey - Memberthis is why we'd all be really delighted to have you both in the epl
Yes that's the spirit, judge one of the larger-supported clubs in the world by one fan with controversial song views on a mountain bike forum.
Brycey - with the greatest of respect - I've been going to old first division, premiership and European matches since i was 7 and even back in the supposed 'bad old days', I have never witnessed anything even approaching the behavior of the Rangers fans in Manchester. Worse than animals, I'm afraid
Different clubs. Manchester was trashed by Rangers fans, yet in Seville, Celtic fans recived plaudits and fair play award.
Still, I am scunnered with it all.
Celtic fans recived plaudits and fair play award.
They give out awards for not being idiots?
There's some twisted thought patterns going on there
They give out awards for not being idiots?
They do indeed Jota; I wouldn't expect yours to arrive any time soon...
Still, I am scunnered with it all
I hear you!
jota180 - MemberCeltic fans recived plaudits and fair play award.
They give out awards for not being idiots?
There's some twisted thought patterns going on there
Absolutely! Got awarded for not wrecking the city!
Still, any knuckle dragging Rangers fan that could get on a bus went to Manchester, the Celtic knuckle draggers would have had to get flights and have ID for getting abroad, so not many went.
unsurprisingly, someone comments without knowing what the f they are talking about. Quite funny this thread. 🙂wallace1492 - Member
Celtic fans recived plaudits and fair play award.They give out awards for not being idiots?
There's some twisted thought patterns going on there
Absolutely! Got awarded for not wrecking the city!
Still, any knuckle dragging Rangers fan that could get on a bus went to Manchester, the Celtic knuckle draggers would have had to get flights and have ID for getting abroad, so not many went.
I love how you can comment without knowing any of my opinions on anything.The silliness started when they proclaimed the conflict in the 06 counties is purely a sectarian conflict and it's that black and white. But well it's their ignorance not mine, I'm happy to let them wallow in it.As a matter of interest, does a room appear darker or lighter to you when you walk into it? I only ask because I've never actually met anyone so dense they can attract light
That there is the reason why it's quite funny watching you all go mental at the mention of IRA.
Got awarded for [s]not wrecking the city[/s] behaving themselves!
Reinforcing and rewarding good behaviour is quite a common approach - I'm pretty sure you'll find your mummy used it on you.
seosamh77 - Memberunsurprisingly, someone comments without knowing what the f they are talking about. Quite funny this thread.
Not sure what you mean there. My point is that if Celtic was in Manchester in the same circumstances, similar things *may* have happened. My suspicion is probably not, as I have always found them far friendlier and less embittered.
Reinforcing and rewarding good behaviour is quite a common approach - I'm pretty sure you'll find your mummy used it on you.
Can't really remember TBH
But, is it a weekly thing giving awards to fans for behaving then?
just seems odd to me
I can understand you may do that with kids but isn't that to mould behaviour for when they're adults?
seosamh77 - Memberunsurprisingly, someone comments without knowing what the f they are talking about. Quite funny this thread.
Never a truer word was spoken - your pish is pure comedy gold. can you keep this up?
I can understand you may do that with kids but isn't that to mould behaviour for when they're adults?
Some fans of the Old Firm never grow up.... they may then have to face real life! 🙂
Rangers now in Adminstration
Do they have to stop playing now?
According to five live, a lot of other big football clubs were also using these dodgy offshore trusts to pay players while avoiding tax.
Rangers and Portsmouth won't be the last of it. There must be some pretty nervous looking finance directors in the Premiership at the moment
According to five live, a lot of other big football clubs were also using these dodgy offshore trusts to pay players while avoiding tax.
D'you know, that rings a bell
Fairly sure a sparkie mate of mine was saying something about avoiding tax by some offshore ruse - wasn't really paying attention though
Wonder if it's the same sort of thing?
Man U, Arsenal,Chelsea and Liverpool in England were all using these. However I believe Rangers didn't cover the tracks as well as they were meant to, making it easy for HMRC to prove that they were regular payments to salary.
fd3chris - MemberFrom my close colleague sitting next to me who is a Celtic season ticket holder, if both Celtic and rangers bigoted fans do not realise that both clubs need each other to move forward out of the dark ages then Scottish football will be dead and buried.
Neither Celtic nor Scottish football "needs" Rangers.
Rangers, under David Murray's regime of systematic financial doping, ruined Scottish football, and, in an orgy of spending money it never earned, created an arms race which brought most of the SPL to the brink of the financial abyss upon which it now teeters.
Prior to that there was a competitive league. In the 80s Aberdeen and Dundee United both reaching European finals. Aberdeen, Dundee United, Celtic and Hearts (but for a last-10-mins of the season collapse) all could have or did win the league. Scotland routinely qualified for the finals of major tournaments. Rangers, for most of this decade, were also-rans. Under Murray they bought success, and sucked in gullible glory-hunters from the length and breadth of Scotland who might otherwise have fallen in behind their local team.
FC Rangers 2012 having to come up through the leagues again would be good for the lower divisions. It would spread the wealth somewhat. They'd no doubt be back in the SPL in three seasons.
There would be no Celtic domination ad infinitum. Celtic's board are not daft. They don't spend money they don't need to, despite frequent criticism from their fans for adopting this approach. You could argue that Rangers' last big transfer splurge, which the Celtic board chose not to match, secured them their last three titles. If Rangers exit the SPL, and Celtic need to downsize because less money needs to be spent to compete, they probably will, no matter how much the fans bump their gums about it.
Bigger clubs than Rangers, like Juventus, or arguably, Leeds, have been done bang to rights and made to take their medicine, after cheating of one sort or another. Financial doping, dodging taxes that competitors pay, is cheating.
The money the SPL gets from Sky is derisory. A pittance. It could be made up from attendance figures in a more competitive league, which you would certainly have if a newco Rangers are served up their just desserts and have to start again at the bottom of the pyramid.
Read the fan forums of any Scottish club over the past 24 hours, and you'll see that it's not just nasty, bigoted Celtic fans who are limbering up to stamp the dirt down on Rangers 1873-2012 (RIP). They've been a suppurating boil on the arse of Scottish football for decades, for innumerable reasons, and it's time it was lanced.
Congratulations to Celtic on winning the SPL.
He's smiling and says he can see your point stefmcdef 🙂
good posdt, but I'd query this
They'd no doubt be back in the SPL in three seasons.
As you pount out, they sucked in glory hunters - how many of them will pay for a season ticket to watch Forfar and Stranraer. I can't see Sky being big on these games either. When Dundee went into administration, their better players were siphoned off for sweetie money (Nacho Novo anyone?). If this happens to the huns, then where will the players come from to rush them straight back up the leagues? Certainly, they'll get to Div1, but then I think they'll struggle. Also, how interested will Sky/Disney be in a one team league? They pull or reduce their funding, that'll hurt Celtic more than anyone else. A more competitive league with less TV might (just) increase gates, and for most clubs, an average gate increase of 1500/game might compensate for the loss of telly money.
Thread needs closed now.
