[Closed] Prometheus just starting

Is it any good?

Great. Just don't expect Aliens.

After first watching it I would have said yes.On re-watching definitely not.

Ya baby! Time to watch some movies ... 😛

Now I can relax after spending 7 hours fermenting my Korean style veg ... I shall be able to consume them after 4 to 5 days.

Definitely worth a watch.

Its worth a watch .

Pffft, why watch that when The Lair of the White Worm is on the Horror channel 😉

Ooh...
Noomi!

It's good, not Aliens good, but it's okay.

It's good film to watch to pass time or if you have a slow night or if you try to wind down the day ...

It's utter bobbins, watch it and see for yourself. There are so many parts in it which are just the kind of crap you'd expect to see on the mid afternoon slot on the cheesy horror channels.

It irritates me just thinking about it!

It's OK, and probably worth a watch if you have nothing else to do. Certainly no worse that a lot of Hollywood tripe that gets released these days.

It raises some awesome concepts but never really does them justice.

It's Ok haters just want to hate it as they wanted Aliens but it's not about that it's about their origin.

Lair of the White Worm - mmmm Amanda Donohoe 😉

Lasted about 35 mins and gave up. Wasn't digging it.

I don't hate it because I wanted Aliens, I hate it because it's sixth form style film making at its finest.

From the "we've never seen these group dynamics on screen before" engineers Vs scientist tensions in the initial scenes to the "just run to the side!" climax via the "don't touch the unknown but creepy looking alien space snake things Mr Clever Biologist" stupidity - the entire film is crap cliched scene after crap cliched scene.

Hey, I liked the 'why don't ya run to the side' bit. That's Darwinism at work.

Thought it was OK mainly cause I like anything spacey. Watched Interstellar a couple of times over the weekend though which I loved.
Especially TARS the robot. 🙂

as with ridley scotts later films

lovely to look at, awful pacing terrible script and predictable set pieces yet have a certain flair, and unable to get the best from the cast

enlightened only by M Fassbenders 'peter o toole' impression

Hey, I liked the 'why don't ya run to the side' bit. That's Darwinism at work

The film makes a lot more sense if you assume IQs are much lower in the future.

vondally - Member

as with ridley scotts later films

lovely to look at, awful pacing terrible script and predictable set pieces yet have a certain flair, and unable to get the best from the cast

enlightened only by M Fassbenders 'peter o toole' impression

I agree. It's a visually stunning mess that's riddled with plot holes and nonsense.

Quite liked it

jimjam - Member
I agree. It's a visually stunning mess that's riddled with plot holes and nonsense.

Scott's lost none of his visual flair, but recently seems to have caught Lucasitis, unable to structure a coherent narrative or recognise decent dialogue.

Having said that, I don't mind Prometheus at face value. Small mercies, it's way better than Robin Hood.

Still not seen it.

Kermode mentioned it the other day. Said on a re-watch it's worse than he remembered.

Don't think I'm in a hurry to fire it up.

The not running sideways bit makes a lot more sense when you realise it tips and she's running to hide in some rocks and guess what it works.

There's a lot I wanted to like about it, I heard the reviews, put them out of my head and watched it...

...and it's poo. TBH, the script is utterly awful...I mean properly awful. I could give examples, but I'd be here all night and I'd sound like a colossal geek.

There's probably not much a Director's Cut wouldn't sort, but it would be a brave effort indeed, many of the key scenes would need to be cut completely.

BTW, if anyone knows a woman who could undergo a self induced C-section and then climb thirty meters of wall within ten minutes, you need to send me her contact details.

It's a film about space travel and genetically created xenomorphs and you doubt that?

It's a film about space travel and genetically created xenomorphs and you doubt that?

It's a different point though. They've "science-fictioned" the space travel, and one alien civilisation is as implausible as any other until we've found some evidence of someone else in the universe.

But unless you're going to "science-fiction" a reason why a C-section doesn't hurt like a bastard and confine you to the sofa with absolutely no hand-to-hand combat or running for a bit, it's going to look suspiciously like you've forgotten she just had a C-section and cracked on to the next set-piece.

Which, in a film littered with things that don't make a lot of sense even in context, is unfortunate...

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I quite liked it personally, but it's not on my list of things to see again. Unlike Interstellar, which makes up for its moments of nonsense with Matthew McConnaughey in a vest. 🙂

I will stand with you Drac I think it's a good film. Good atmosphere and great visuals .

But unless you're going to "science-fiction" a reason why a C-section doesn't hurt like a bastard and confine you to the sofa with absolutely no hand-to-hand combat or running for a bit, it's going to look suspiciously like you've forgotten she just had a C-section and cracked on to the next set-piece.

Ermmmm! I think they did. Unless those automatic machines exist? Regardless it's still the same, it's a Sci-fi not a documentary.

It kept me uptill 11.25 on a school night.

Plus you get to see the bloke in IT crowd on it!

Second viewing showed up a lot of its faults. Some of the talking scenes have been so badly edited, one scene between Stringer Bell and Run sideways women doesn't make any sense at all.

I think there must be a director's cut somewhere but seeing he made Blade Runner worse with his extra bits I don't hold out much hope.

It's OK. But would they really send a mixture of crew all the way out there only for them all to meet up for the first time when they wake up ? 😆

Every sci-fi film there has ever been has plot holes the size of the black hole at the centre of our galaxy and Prometheus is no different.

To criticise a sci-fi film for its plot holes is kind of missing the point and suggests you just don't like the film, which says more about your taste in films than it does about the quality of the film itself.

It's certainly a lot better than the three star wars prequels, which isn't saying a lot, but still....

Oh and on the running sideways thing: they do. My biggest issue about that scene is about whether a crashed ship would have enough structural integrity to do that.

Dreadful film.

I can suspend disbelief in the name of sci-fi. What I can't deal with is a company spending a trillion dollars on an expedition to the ends of the universe, yet assembling a crew of Johnny No Stars, that do nothing but lurch from one entirely avoidable **** up to the next.

And it's got Charleze Theron in it. Who can't act her way out of a wet paper bag, but is semi-naked within 30 seconds of being on screen as usual.

And it's got Charleze Theron in it. [s]Who can't act her way out of a wet paper bag[/s],[s] but[/s] is semi-naked within 30 seconds of being on screen as usual.

And that's a problem why?

Dull looking Afrikaans girl from Benoni. Not my thing.

mikey74 - Member
To criticise a sci-fi film for its plot holes is kind of missing the point and suggests you just don't like the film, which says more about your taste in films than it does about the quality of the film itself.

It's certainly a lot better than the three star wars prequels, which isn't saying a lot, but still....

I totally agree! This is a terrible film and I only like good movies; comparing it to [i]the star wars prequels[/i] doesn't really help your argument.

The very concept of the film is dumb as hell but what really ruined it for me was the ass backwards actions of the crew in every important scene. Someone should introduce the writers to the concept of verisimilitude.

mikey74 - Member

Every sci-fi film there has ever been has plot holes the size of the black hole at the centre of our galaxy and Prometheus is no different.

To criticise a sci-fi film for its plot holes is kind of missing the point and suggests you just don't like the film, which says more about your taste in films than it does about the quality of the film itself.

Everything about that statement is bullshit.

fermenting my Korean style veg ... I shall be able to consume them after 4 to 5 days.

expect something to painfully burst from your bowel. It may well be acidic.

I always assume in the future nobody knows anything, they just use the internet: therefore they don't have time to google "which is the best way to run away from a rolling spaceship?" and "should I do heavy lifting after major abdominal surgery?"

It wasn't on here, but even if it had been I don't think I'd bother to watch it again - great looking film let down by an awful script.

I watched X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Which was ideal Sunday night viewing after a couple of beers 🙂

Prometheus reminded me of a poorer episode of Scooby Doo. Disappointing on so many levels.

The Lair of the White Worm on the other hand is a magnificent spectacle worthy of many showings.

Bigrich, you forgot:

"Should I plug the alien head into the brain exploder first or last as part of my autopsy?"

"I am the man that has the map making equipment, why am I lost?"

"Should I touch the alien snaky thing?"

Etc.

Dull looking Afrikaans girl from Benoni.

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Dull looking Afrikaans girl from Benoni. Not my thing.

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Its a film. Why the vitirol?

Alien was a good film. The sequels were at least on a par with the prequel (i.e not as good as the first).

Terrible cliched junk.

There's a place for cliched Sci-fi films, and it would have been OK if it hadn't had so much pre-release hype, and didn't take itself so terribly seriously in the opening scenes.

I learnt a long time ago to avoid hype of films. Watch the odd trailer maybe talk about it a little but avoid the big media push for them as you'll always end up disappointed.

[i]Regardless it's still the same, it's a Sci-fi not a documentary.[/i]

I'm as willing as the next man to suspend my disbelief, but there comes a point at which when moving the story along to get within a Hollywood bean counter's idea of how long people will watch a film, at the expense of "a plot" becomes too much weight to carry, even for a Director as talented as Ridley Scott. It was clearly at some point "An Ambitious Undertaking" that has had too many revisions, and the insertion of "action for the sake of it" And so you end up with a film that's a curious mixture of Ridley's endless reinterpretation of catholic themes, bizarre cuts to get it to a shorter length, and freeeking lasers action sequences.

At some point there may well be a version that makes any kind of sense, but the "running about smashing stuff up with a space axe after having your stomach cut open" deserves all the heaps of shit that are poured endlessly upon it.

And it's got Charleze Theron in it. Who can't act her way out of a wet paper bag

As well as being insulting to the mother of my children (she doesn't know it yet, though) your post is incorrect - Charlize Theron is a pretty good actress - see e.g. Monster

what really ruined it for me was the ass backwards actions of the crew in every important scene.

and yes the c section/running about thing.

Started to watch it again, remembered it was a school night, will finish watching later in the week. So worth a rewatch but only because I'm "emotionally invested" in the series. Which reminds me think I'd got 1-3 on an old digi box, time to get my mrs into aliens.

Watch the odd trailer maybe talk about it a little but avoid the big media push for them as you'll always end up disappointed.

not even the trailer, it's more and more common to see the trailer and be able to predict the entire film.

Why you're right there's not many films that aren't predictable they all follow a very basic sub plot.

Charlize Theron is a pretty good actress - see e.g. Monster

If an actor can act they can act, if they do a bad performance there are a ton of other factors.

I watched it back in Jan on you lots recommendations, whilst I watched and enjoyed it to a large degree I too found lots of plot holes and odd acting elements.
But the overwhelming feeling to this film I had was Ridley had all the scene shots planned, the wide open scope shots and location ideas then had to put a plot around that.. Instead of the other way around
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Has no one mentioned the horrific Scottish actress? Her lines and delivery in it are eye wateringly bad.

When I watched it at the cinema it definitely felt like it needed a director's cut. There seemed to be several holes that suggested scenes had been cut. The sequel appears to have stalled.

One bit I didn't like- They manage to bring down the blokes space ship. So why didn't he jump in one of his other space ships? Why did he instead go after just ONE person- her to get her?

That is one bit I had an issue with.

He was a bit pissed off.

I liked it. It's not perfect, but there's enough good stuff to be worth watching imo.

There's some missing scenes on the extras dvd (possibly on youtube) that explain "strange" decisions made by some of the crew to some extent. I think it went through a lot of script changes.
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/22988/does-the-prometheus-blu-ray-resolve-the-film%E2%80%99s-mysteries

A bit like Interstellar. It felt like there was a better story in there that had been changed by some accountants or mass-market film execs or something to make it more marketable.

I love sci-films where you can suspend belief and just get on with enjoying a bit of flying through space, exploring, shooting stuff, being scared etc. but this film was absolute drivel.....it just didn't work for me at all.....I've recorded it to watch again in the hope that I missed something the first time round, but even now just remembering some of the scenes is making me not want to bother....

If rumours are true the second one shows no link to the Aliens films so might explain the reset on the creatures in Prometheus.

They are letting him make another one?

[quote=torsoinalake said]They are letting him make another one?

Yup, money talks.

Prometheus stats
Budget $120–130 million
Box office $403.4 million

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b053zsn5

theres an early script onlione somewhere, (Bloodydisgusting I think) it shows all the changes that Damon Lindeloff shoehorned in, basically adding a lot of pseudo mystical religious stuff onto noomi rapaces character as well as removing a direct link to the LV426 in the first film

still doesnt explain some of the silly actions of some of the characters

I think it really grates becasue this film in concept is far more like Alien than any of the sequels and the actions and reactions of the (brilliant) cast in the original were all entirely believable, this film, really didnt have that

I can't stand Mark Kermode. 😀

Ridley Scotts middle name is Diddley.

I like it but I think I was also watch Wellington's history at the same time ... 😆

I can't stand Mark Kermode.

Nonetheless, he's a recognised expert in his field and in this program he explores the reason films get financed as they do nowadays.

It's not Alien, get over it. If that's what people are desperate for then Neill Blonkamp is now making the sequel to Aliens that people are craving. I can't wait for Prometheus 2. Plus Blonkamps Aliens obviously.

I went downhill for me early on when they mention the height of a mountain in feet..

I went downhill for me early on when they mention the height of a mountain in feet..

The way it should be. Well done Ridley.

Nonetheless, he's a recognised expert in his field and in this program he explores the reason films get financed as they do nowadays.

That's nice for him.

What the hell is wrong with you Drac!?

You're being a total tool ATM.

Ermm! I expressed I don't like the guy that's all but thanks for your concern.

Whhyyyyyyyyyy

I was posting something related to the conversation for the possible interest of others on the forum, and you're just being flippant.

It's not going to help is it?

Part of the controversy about this film is to do with its "quality" and the ratings vs the income it made.

Hence me thinking to post that link so people who are interested in that may find the programme and if they wish listen to an expert on the subject interview and discuss with people actually involved in film.

Seriously, I only contribute to threads in the spirit of discussion and learning on the subject at hand. As far as i know that's the point of a forum.

If you're going to continue to put me down and take the piss I'm going to be put off being here, and I don't think I'll be alone in that opinion.

It feels like you're not valuing the community members when you do that.

Ohh so it's good to hear another film is in the offing, I will cross my fingers for a decent plot and expect a few new camera methods in keeping with Ridleys ethos.

I think the problem is CGI and huge budgets mean they need to be less creative and can do less with more.

alien/aliens were small and claustrophobic because they couldn't get lost in an endless tunnel system

this is why the new star wars has gone back to physical props and matte paintings to differentiate it from the flabby cgi jazzfest of the prequels.