[Closed] Place your bets - Pistorius

7-10 years.

Nobeerinthefridge - Member

7-10 years.

DBL PST

The verdict is he has to be screamed at behind a close door then have 4shots fired at him.

Will there be a long pause and some dramatic backing track like on the x factor?

Lol are you actually reading this thread?? 😉

cbmotorsport - Member
Will there be dramatic music and an irritating 30 second pause before she gives the verdict...?

Sorry just dipped in 😀

No probs, I commend you on your very funny joke... 😉

I'm lost.

no life term / 25 year .. next count

Paddy Power were offering money back, with this rather controversial ad:

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Most complained about ad ever apparently.

I think he will bounce back

He seems symptomatic of the privileged white arrogant 'upper' class. I'll bet it makes him sick that his fate will be decided by a black woman.

looks like he's going to get cleared!

Edit: Definitely not murder anyway - but might be manslaughter, after lunch...

What a time for a lunch break!!!!

Of premeditated murder maybe, he's still gonna go down for manslaughter, possession of a weapon and ammunition.

So from the Guardian live feed it looks like the Judge is saying she agrees he thought Reeva was in the bedroom and had no intention of killing her, he didn't intend to go and kill but he knew that if fired he would undoubtably kill the person behind the door.

It could go either way however I do feel he will get off with self-defence but a 2-4yr sentence for possession suspended.

Its not dolus eventualis but culpable homicide hangs in there ... I'm sure everyone will feel better after lunch.. just keep those buckets at the ready 🙂

I thought she was saying he had no way of knowing if his shots would kill, so culpable homicide likely.

Most complained about ad ever apparently.

Indeed, and for good reason imho, which leads me on to...

...can I be the first sanctimonious tosser to suggest that this very thread is guilty of exactly what got so many people wound up about that advert for - trivialising and having cheap laughs about a trial which, lets not forget, concerns an innocent young woman losing her life in a brutally violent fashion?

and since I'm in "sanctimonious tosser" mode anyway can I also suggest that

I'll bet it makes him sick that his fate will be decided by a black woman.

is a hell of an accusation to make about anyone without any sort of anything to back it up with?

Eeeek! get off? really??

I do now wonder what the populas of SAfrica's large Black community will think..

And more importantly what the smaller White community will think now..

It's an important case this, for so many social reasons. 😕

loddrik - even by your standards, wow! Those chips on your shoulder must be feeling particularly heavy today.

Break for lunch.

I imagine he'll be feeling peckish.

he had no way of knowing if his shots would kill

Eh? Gun shot fired from a gun with bullets and everything? I'd say anyone firing a gun would have a fair idea of the potentially lethal implications (9 year olds with uzis excepted). Judge has been nobbled (by paddy power).

Multiple shots as well. Not a warning shot even- shots fired at close range into a door.

Eh? Gun shot fired from a gun with bullets and everything?

Hollow point bullets to be exact, maximum damage on impact. 4 hollow points fired into a 3ft square space are going to kill whoever's in that space. Daft really.

He intended to kill whoever was behind the door, or at least he didn't care if he did or not when he pulled the trigger.

he had no way of knowing if his shots would kill

Oh really 😯

On the night of Steenkamp's death, Pistorius used Black Talon hollow-point bullets, that Gert Saayman, the forensic medicine department at the University of Pretoria, described in court as "an expanding bullet" designed to cause "maximum tissue damage"

double post..weird.

Lunch break !!!

The state did not prove pre-meditated murder beyond reasonable doubt so he has to be acquitted of that.

The judge says the fact he fired low at the door showed he had thought about what he was doing. This plus she said he was an unreliable witness is very damning IMO

I think he will go down for a long time on one of the "lesser" murder charges.

Multiple shots as well. Not a warning shot even- shots fired at close range into a door.

I suspect that may be seen as reasonable reaction to burglars in your house by the man on the Pietermaritzburg omnibus

clearly innocent anything else would be a travisty.. he leaps up in the dead of night arms himself with a weapon and advances upon the intruder in the bathroom.. nay the toilet cubicle..
clearly fearing for his life at this point from the unknown unseen silent potential assailant hidden behind the closed loo door, he lets loose four shots from less than 3 meters away.. so frightened was he for his own safety that he actually missed the door with one of the shots.. even though he regularly trained at a firing range..imagine the pain he went through to only discover, as he pushed the door open, his girlfriend on the floor using her mobile phone to illuminate the loo as the light bulb was broken..

next you might ask ''if 1400 kids were sexually assualted/groomed in rotherham, and the police and council are apologising resigning, how come not one person has been arrested for commiting the crimes..'' or you could ask ''if cyril smith and his chums were at it large in rochdale with young kids in care and the local mp has made a fortune from sales of his book alledging the same.. why has not one person even been interviewed?''

he leaps up

How might he do this with no legs on?

I'm going for Not guilty for the Death, but they'll send him down on the firearm's offenses. Illegal Bullet's and firing his gun in public.

A bit like Al Capone, they can't send him down for Murder, but they can on a different charge altogether.

How might he do this with no legs on?

cbmotorsport - Member

He intended to kill whoever was behind the door, or at least he didn't care if he did or not when he pulled the trigger.

TBH a gun is for killing people with, it's possible to shoot to wound but even for trained marksmen that's not how it's done. If, arguendo, you accept that he did think there was an intruder in there, he's a disabled man with a gun, shooting to kill (or at least shooting in a way that was likely to kill) becomes a lot more reasonable.

Unless you think you could shoot someone to disable them, through a door?

I don't think I'd have shot someone in that situation. But then I'm not a paranoid disabled celebrity dude in south africa.

He’ll get fined £200 for a replacement door and £2.99 for ruining that bucket, but he’ll be able to claim back the cost of four rounds from her family.

On the night of Steenkamp's death, Pistorius used Black Talon hollow-point bullets, that Gert Saayman, the forensic medicine department at the University of Pretoria, described in court as "an expanding bullet" designed to cause "maximum tissue damage"

Pretty standard though, if you carry a gun for self defence you normally load it will hollow point so that any hit you get causes maximum damage. You don't a bullet to pass straight through soft tissue and the attacker to still come at you....

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Is his brother one of those Tom Cruise clones ?

It looks like there will already be an error on the Judges ruling/part:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2014/sep/11/oscar-pistorius-verdict-trial-live

I am impressed by your reading choices Hora - I was just about to post that

Is anyone so stupid that they dont realise that firing four bullets at someone [ through a door] might kill them?

Is anyone so stupid that they dont realise that firing four bullets at someone [ through a door] might kill them?

If hes bright he'll be on the first plane out before the State lodges an appeal and re-confiscates his passport. That is- if he gets his passport back straight away..

We expected the court to have resumed by now but the judge is not back. Nor yet is the prosecution team. All other parties appear to be back in the room.

Interesting...maybe they are already pointing this out.

called to the judges chambers.. last minute deal methinks

Dont think its going to be a Bernie deal but I reckon somethings come up that might close the proceedings early.

Last chance Oscar ...

Surely the point is that the prosecution didn't [b]prove[/b] that he knew he was going to kill the person behind the door. Is the chance he might kill enough?

I am impressed by your reading choices Hora - I was just about to post that

Surely the point is that the prosecution didn't prove that he knew he was going to kill the person behind the door. Is the chance he might kill enough?