[Closed] Oops! Someone best phone social services....

Not nice or mature at all. Deliberately belittling someone's honestly held beliefs, especially when they are so harmless to others (indeed from an ecological perspective veganism probably benefits everyone) reflects badly on Binners.

Deliberately belittling someone via their (10 year old!) child is even worse.

Boasting about it on the Internet, priceless.

Hope you get the opportunity to explain yourself, and more importantly your infantile gloating, to the parents.

Perhaps the kid couldn't care less about the cow's feelings and just wants a burger? I believe that is often the whole point of being able to make your own mind up.

Perhaps the parents are trying to teach their values to the kid? I can't believe what I am reading here - STW is all about the parenting advice teaching kids values - and then suddenly, when it's about something we don't all share we're meant to let the kids do whatever they want?

Perhaps the kid will just want a spliff in 5 years time or a few pints of stella? My daughter just wants to spend all day playing on the tablet without sharing it, perhaps I should leave that decision up to her too?

HOWEVER

The fact that the parents didn't mention it before taking the kid out is crucial here. It suggests they are prepared to accept the inevitable, doesn't it? Binners DID NOT deliberately undermine their beliefs because he doesn't actually know what the deal is between kid and parent. If they had explicity told him not to feed her meat and he did, then that would be bad BUT THEY DIDN'T. And I'm sure he would not have gone against their direct reqest.

especially when they are so harmless to others

The majority of children grew and developed normally but they did tend to be smaller in stature and lighter in weight than standards for the general population.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3414589

My wife's best friend of nr 30yrs is vegan. We go there to eat and always have banter about what we eat.

Speaking as a vegetarian of 20 years, I can tell you that endlessly having to talk about what we eat never grows old, and we're eternally grateful that some clever omnivore brings it up every. gods. damned. time. we dare to eat in public.

Our favouritest ever topics in the whole world are "but wwhhhhyyyyyyyyy?!", a big list of reasons why we're wrong, and how much they couldn't do it as the love meat sooooo much. Did I ask you to give up meat? No. So shove some of it in your face if it'll shut you up and let me have my dinner in peace.

having typed and retyped this a few times here goes...
Right, I have read the whole thread over the course of the afternoon and evening. my what a load of crap. FFS it was a burger not hard drugs. if the kid wanted a burger let them have a sodding burger. had they wanted to stick with the vegan principles of the family then they would have likely spoken up and asked for one of those vile bean burgers or a nice salad. as a child I was very allergic to most of the artificial rubbish in food and it was all banned in my house... the first thing I went for when I was out with friends at that age was anything on the forbidden list. SHOCK HORROR! young child in blatant disregard for parental teachings!!! I knew what I was and wasn't supposed to eat. Parents of my friends also knew what I wasn't allowed and only a few of those gave 2 short. get over it and enjoy your meaty/meat free diets in peace and harmony *and breathe*

Do McDonald's do any vegan food?
are chips vegan?

First Nelson Mandela and now this. 🙁

The majority of children grew and developed normally but they did tend to be smaller in stature and lighter in weight than standards for the general population.

Cherry picking. It goes on to say,

It is concluded that provided sufficient care is taken, a vegan diet can support normal growth and development.

TBH, if the kids I see walking from school are anything to go by, being lighter in weight is probably no bad thing.

I'm going to state that I think Binners let the child eat much needed nutrition and therefore should be commended for his valiant service in the treatment of childhood malnutrition.

Cherry picking.

Not really, I think forcing a child to grow shorter is obnoxious and no better than FGM.

Funny thing is, the parents might not actually be that bothered.
But STWers ARE!

Funnily enough cougar it's usually her describing the process the bit of meat I have on my plate went through. I take it in the manner it's meant. Sometimes I eat lots of that stuff she eats to show I am not adverse to trying it. It's just different strokes and all that.

What you thought I was the big bad meat eater who tries to force my own love of meat onto her. She is Methodist as well, you should listen to the convos about religion we have

Not really, I think forcing a child to grow shorter is obnoxious and no better than FGM.

I think forcing a child to grow taller due to feeding them meat laced with growth hormones is etc etc.

I think forcing a child to grow taller due to feeding them meat laced with growth hormones is etc etc.

Not going to be teased for being an average height are they?

They'd still grow taller with nice tasty organic meat or a vegetarian diet. Also, I believe the EU banned meat laced/contaminated with growth hormones.

What you thought I was the big bad meat eater who tries to force my own love of meat onto her

To be honest I wasn't thinking anything about you specifically, I was just having a general-purpose rant at the world in general.

Well then I take it as a compliment you chose to quote me in your general rant at the world in general. Wow

I'm going to state that I think Binners let the child eat much needed [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime ]pink slime[/url]

They'd still grow taller with nice tasty organic meat or a vegetarian diet.

In seriousness, reading a bit further on Pubmed would suggest that the issue wasn't veganism per sé but diet generally. For instance, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6846221

The analysis of food records available provided evidence that energy intakes of the vegetarians were below recommended levels, whereas protein intakes did not appear to be limiting.

Is parenting about preparing a young person for the rest of their life? I like ninfan's approach of communication, love, understanding and support best. There's a lot of precious parenting examples here, which I find a little sombre. For sure, establish moral guidelines with our kids, but to stamp my own, with such dogmatism... Will surely lead to rebellion at some stage. Kids love boundaries, even as adults we like to know where we stand in certain situations, but to have a child who doesn't push the boundaries from time to time as they grow and develop, would be very concerning.

And whilst I can kinda see the comparison between meat and drugs, from a dogmatic moral high ground point of view. It's not really the same is it?

The beauty of us is, is that we can all adopt our own approaches and do the best we can and I dare say, that [i][b]if[/b][/i] the issue of diet was that important to the parents of the 10year old girl in the OP, they would have said something to start with.

By all means let us prepare the next generation to be as open minded, interdependent and accepting as we all are... 😉 😉

If I let my kids make up their minds as often as some seem to be suggesting, I'm pretty sure the older two would be dead and the baby would be rolling in a pile of his own dirt and probably eating it.

I get that that slightly misses the point but we make decisions for our kids all the time some obviously beneficial some less obviously and some debatable.

One assumes that when looking after somebody else's child, binbins would have had various methods of contacting parents. It's simple really, a quick call or text to ask (if binners wasn't sure) if it's ok would have sufficed. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, maybe we'll find out in the drip feed of retrospective facts with which he's enlightening us. 🙂 I know omnis that would be as upset if their child was taken to McDonalds as veggies I know. And with good reason as far as they're concerned (even if I feel some of the reasons are a bit handwringing myself, but hey, it's none of my business). You decide every day what your child is going to grow up eating, and unless by what you're not feeding him or her, he or she is suffering from malnutrition, it's nobody's business. Trying to equate a child's desire to eat at McDonalds with some kind of desire to eat meat is not quite bollocks, but it's getting there.

The diets and growth of children reared on vegetarian diets are reviewed. Excessive bulk combined with low energy density can be a problem for children aged < or = 5 y and can lead to imparied growth. Diets that have a high content of phytate and other modifiers of mineral absorption are associated with an increased prevalence of rickets and iron-deficiency anemia. Vitamin B-12 deficiency is a real hazard in unsupplemented or unfortified vegan and vegetarian diets. It is suggested that vegans and vegetarians should use oils with a low ratio of linoleic to linolenic acid in view of the recently recognized role of docosahexaenoic acid in visual functioning. If known pitfalls are avoided, the growth and development of children reared on both vegan and vegetarian diets appears normal.

Shame, can't find many...if any decent papers from this millennia....yet.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8172120

Heheh.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2528709/

As a vegetarian diet becomes more restrictive, the energy intake requirements become more difficult to attain. The vegetarian diet is a bulky one that can restrict energy intake in children. Furthermore, energy intake in infants receiving macrobiotic diets compared with vegetarian diets is considerably lower than the recommended requirements (9). A major potential concern relates to the expanding knowledge of the critical window of early environmental influences on subsequent child development and health (10). Because the energy density of macrobiotic diets is lowest in infants during the weaning period of 10 to 12 months of age, this diet could adversely affect their future growth and development (11).

The growth of a child is a sensitive indicator of the potential negative effects of vegetarian, vegan and macrobiotic diets. Children younger than two years of age who were fed vegetarian or vegan diets exhibited significant lower mean weight and length velocities (12) and were overall lighter in weight and smaller in stature than reference populations (13). The Farm Study (14) analyzed 404 children from a vegetarian community in which parents were well educated about the diet and children were supplemented with the appropriate minerals and vitamins. While these vegetarian children were within the 25th and 75th percentiles for United States growth standards, height for age and weight for age were below the median when compared with reference populations for most ages. Values were statistically significant for children younger than five years of age. Thus, with the appropriate supplementation and parent education, children on vegetarian or vegan diets can attain adequate growth, [b] but it may be somewhat less than reference populations.[/b]

Just my sixpenceworth..
My sister and her family are pretty strict about using ethically sourced and local organic produce, additive free and all that jazz, and they don't eat dairy or meat for personal health reasons..

In the past when her kids aged 4 and 8, have been to parties or whatever and scoffed a couple of sausage rolls and handfuls of crisps they have been pretty unwell for a coupla days as a result..
Their sweet little bods just aren't used to the toxins and all that..

I say in the past cos her kids would be repulsed by crap food these days..
If you had pulled that stunt on her, I have no doubt that she would have been straight round your house in a maelstrom of furious veggie trumps and wailing to uncerimoniously shove an artichoke up your nose

sausage rolls and handfuls of crisps they have been pretty unwell for a coupla days as a result..

My house diagnosis....

Psychogenic illness, that was probably projected onto them by their parents.

yeah

Thus, with the appropriate supplementation and parent education, children on vegetarian or vegan diets can attain adequate growth,

All that needs saying really.

I wonder what a kid who grows up eating mostly McDonald's would turn out like? Binners? Oh holy jaysus... 🙂

My (vegan) kid is in the 97th percentile for height, though not sure why the health issue is relevant to the OP 😕

Is there any correation between those who think it's ok to treat children with junk food, and those who are stereotypical STW biffers on the idave diet?

the parents might not actually be that bothered.
But STWers ARE

FFS it was a burger not hard drugs

Why are you all struggling to see that it is the principle not substance? Imagine a parent who thought it ok for a 10 year old to get pissed gets your kid pissed - this is the same as meat eater deciding that what they do is ok [eat meat] to do to your kids despite the fact they know you object- lets assum ethe kid wants to get pissed as well. This is not hard to understand and were it a parent getting your kid pissed you would be pissed off and not spouting what you are now.

are chips vegan?

Use alcohol as it would be legal to ignore the parents and get the child pissed

Legal reference please.

his is the same as meat eater deciding that what they do is ok [eat meat] to do to your kids despite the fact they know you object-

By law the child has the right to decide, maybe they should make choices on fairly safe matters (as in not legislated issues such as sex, drugs and Hora) so as to equip themselves for adulthood.

If we want to use a slippery slope argument such as yours, should the state be allowed to tell you....as a parent....not to chop your Childs foreskin off? I mean..... after all.....your choice as a parent should be respected and all.....hey?

How about something I am dealing with atm. Not illegal and pretty harmless

My son wants to go to town with his mates. He is getting to the point where he is probably old enough but his mum/we are struggling with it. He goes around to one of his older mates houses to stay for the day. The parent looking after them knows I don't allow him up town but the parent allows him to go because he disagrees with my opinions.

Not illegal.

I would go ballistic if I found out.

Ok... try again.... FFS ITS A BURGER, not hard drugs, alcohol, sex, violence any other subject you wish to invoke... A BURGER!!!!

And my example is a simple trip up town with mates. Not illegal but going against parents wishes. At what point does the scales tip between respecting another parents wishes and sheer ignorance

I want a burger now...

Hahahahaha

My daughter (13) has just been telling me about her day out in London today with her best mate and her family

they went out for dinner, and they offered to let her have a glass of wine with it, just as theirs were

And they didn't ask me first, oh noes

Should I be outraged? 😆

ps. her comment when I read her the first post on here: 'Good man!'

Whether you are outraged depends on your views on alcohol. I would expect to be asked, but would be happy for my kids to have wine with a meal at that age.

It's shit.
Why they went on to global dominance and Wimpy didn't I don't know."

McDonalds was less shit?

 

http://www.allsingaporestuff.com/article/health-department-confirmed-semen-found-mcdonald%E2%80%99s-mayonnaise

And they didn't ask me first, oh noes

Maybe they think you couldn't give a shit about her. Maybe they know you'd be happy for her to have a glass of wine with her meal under the supervision of those you deem responsible to look after her for the day. Maybe they don't know that there's no evidence that introducing youngsters to alcohol in their early teens makes them responsible drinkers in later life. Maybe there's further information you're not telling us, but retrospectively will later? Maybe she's telling you fibs to get a reaction.

EDIT:

ps. her comment when I read her the first post on here: 'Good man!'

Tbf, she's only 13, so probably still a bit immature, eh?

im about to have an epic flounce tbh. im disgusted.
if that was my child it would be an an ambulance you'd be about to call not social services.
dont ever introduce yourself on the trails binners, it wouldn't end well for you

Are all the vegan child neglecters on your hit list as well? Or is it okay....cuz they neglect their own kids.

Are all the vegan child abusers on your hit list as well? Or is it okay....cuz they abuse their own kids

edit; sorry mate.... your edit was right, that video of a man being AMUSING just over rode all the evidence pointing towards eating shit quality factory farmed meat increasing the cancer risk.

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That ^ is the internet hardman dance of dome people in this thread. 😀

Darcy - maybe its because they're from Yerep?

The dads Danish (mmmm, bacon!)

Vote UKIP to stop Yerepeans poisoning our children with dirty stinking foreign wine!

Genuine LULZ at "vegan child neglector" on a thread about feeding a child junk food.

I just did. With the right application vegan diets cab just about be normal. With the emphasis on "just" and it would appear vegans often don't follow an appropriate diet.

Diplomatic language etc.

oh wicked. do share