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edit; sorry mate.... your edit was right, that video of a man being AMUSING just over rode all the evidence pointing towards eating shit quality factory farmed meat increasing the cancer risk.
All red meat increase your cancer risk, so does sitting under that organic thing in the sky called the sun.
One time isn't, being a vegan all your life quite possibly does damage children though.
should i go onto Mc donalds and see all the healthy meat eaters following appropriate diets and see what i am missing out on ...i would take my kids but tbh I rarely let them out the cellar 😉
Legal reference please
Like you have not looked on google and failed to find anything to negate it 8)
We both know if you could refute it you would have done by now
being a vegan all your life quite possibly does damage children though
More lULZ. Tom, you are talking bobbins.
I want to meet Jonah Tonto on the trail, just so I can laugh and then run away. Maybe me and binners should hit the trails together, you know, for mutual protection.
More lULZ. Tom, you are talking bobbins.
Table 1 summarizes current recommendations for children being weaned onto a vegetarian diet (4,27,28). Children consuming atypical diets are not uncommon and are on the rise, as judged by the plethora of information on veganism directed to those caring for children. For example, an Internet search of the terms ‘vegan’ and ‘children’ produced 1,380,000 hits. Without the appropriate monitoring and supplementation, these diets may have deleterious effects on a child’s health outcomes. Nutritional deficiencies, particularly early in life, may adversely affect growth, bone mineral content, and motor and cognitive development. Most significantly, it is important to recognize that although it is the 21st century, children may still die as a consequence of being placed on these atypical diets by their parents without appropriate care and supervision. Because these deleterious affects can be avoided, it is highly recommended that child health practitioners carefully review dietary intake, including all supplements, when interviewing parents who provide these atypical diets (especially during infancy and early childhood) and make the appropriate interventions.
In other words, Vegans have been so bad at feeding their children in the past that the professionals don't trust you to do it properly. 
And on that bombshell, I am flouncing for the night.
[i]Legal reference please
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Like you have not looked on google and failed to find anything to negate it
Nearly an hour of googling and he's found nothing so he's off
My (vegan) kid is in the 97th percentile for height
My kid eats meat and is in the 99.6th percentile, so that PROVES meat is better for you! Doesn't it?
Ok... try again.... FFS ITS A BURGER
Ok, let me spell it out.
You're saying this because you do not think a burger is a big deal.
The girl's parents DO think it's a big deal.
It's a matter of opinion.
Maybe me and binners should hit the trails together, you know, for [s]mutual protection[/s] a self-congratulatory reacharound
yes but so does eating uranium (which is also organic btw) doesn't mean we do it just cos sunburn causes increased risk of melanoma does it?
a child doesnt have the necessary skills to make informed decisions. this is why we make decisions for them about what goes into their bodies.
again, got any evidence to back your point up that
vegan diets cab just about be normal
And the 99% population who are not vegan are doing such a great job of looking after their health, right Tom?
Molgrips, I don't even know what the 97th percentile is. The doctor told me at the last checkup and I just nodded sagely 😳
I can see that molgrips but it seems, in STW stylee, to have been blown out of the water to moral outrage land! still suppose I shouldnt be surprised by this. Please think of the kittens faces as they eat the baby robins whilst deciding what tyres for going to McDonald's 😆
I can see that molgrips but it seems, in STW stylee, to have been blown out of the water to moral outrage land! still suppose I shouldnt be surprised by this.
I reckon a quick survey if the thread would show there's as many if not more who, not only are not outraged but are determined not to be.
Tom there are a number of problems with your cited research but the main one being it is about vegetarians and not vegans and your comment was about vegans not vegetarians
Jesus your shit at this aren't you
Imagine not even being able to troll well, that is beyond tragic
PS it also says
IS THERE A REAL CAUSE FOR CONCERN?
As noted above, a well-planned and carefully followed vegetarian diet can satisfy the nutrient requirements for infants and children, and thus cause no real concern
it is not hard to find poorly meat etaters and/or their children either
It is almost as if the main thing is eating well not whethe ryou eat meat or dont 💡
Jesus your shit at this arent you
He can't even flounce FFS.
I think he might this time 😆
I can't help myself, but Junkyard, I don't really give a damn as veganism has more nutritional issues than vegetarianism anyway.
DD... outrageous!!! 😆
and thus cause no real concern
Diplomatic and/or badly edited considering the rest of the paper.
this is why it is better to [i]threaten[/i] a flounce....it is much harder to successfully flounce than most people imagine.
Damnit.
Also, sorry Junkyard if I insulted you earlier. I felt a bit trolly tonight, no excuse really but I hope you accept it.
I just ate duck.
It tasted lovely. No real addition to the thread, I know, but it's better than the nit picking copy and paste monotony that it's doubtlessly going to descend in to!
I feel as if I killed this threads buzz, so now...I really do....100 percent flounce.
Cpt I liked it more when you at least tried to engage. So free will- any limits or any responsibilities when a child just wants to do something ? Go on give it a go before you duck out / duck off
Lol that this thread is still going AND some of the crud being spouted. There is absolutely no evidence of a vegan or vegetarian diets being bad for you or for children. We are pre-dispositioned to obtain all of our necessary nutrients, vitamins and minerals from vegetables, fruit and grains.
When it comes to this I will go on experience and all our kids have been raised vegetarian, all 4 of them had crazy good immune systems growing up, were in the 95% for height and extremely fit and active. My two sons still do ultra marathons with me, all on veggie diet.
As a balance, my two daughters are now fish and occasional meat eaters and are just as healthy as they eat quality sourced ingredients, not crap at fast food joints.
No real addition to the thread, I know
Well, it is a post from you, so no surprise there really.
tom, im sorry, but the science in that article is just bunk. parts like -
Total protein in vegetable-based foods is lower than in animal sources; plant protein is less digestible than animal protein; and many vegetable proteins are deficient in one or more essential amino acids
is just absolute bull mate. ill let you find you're own source but the protein myth may be a good google search for you
once again, i eat meat, but for pleasure. to do do for health is simply ill informed
Jonah, you're wasting your breath mate. He's over on amazon buying a copy of Veganomicon.
i eat meat, but for pleasure.
Are we at a point in the thread where I can say "Hello Sailor, fancy a drink?" 😉
Blimey! 9 pages? 😯
I haven't read read the last couple of pages, so has...
A) anyone mentioned Hitler?
B) is it all thatchers fault?
I suppose I should have just gone to Gregg's and got her a cheese and onion pasty. Steak bake for the girls, obviously. Even vegans love Gregg's, surely?
I had a McDonalds burger once, about 30 years ago, and I still vividly remember how disappointing it was. A tasteless, textureless bun with what seemed like a tiny burger in it.
Compared to a good fish supper, it was very poor fare, and I've never been tempted to repeat the experience.
^^ If you think a cheese & onion pasty is ok for a vegan diet then think again.
Oi, Junky!
You coming camping in 2 weeks?
I'll bring some Pepperami for the boys 😀
McD used to pre fry in cow and then re fry in veg oil and claim they were veggie
They did in the US, fairly certain that McD's fries in the UK have always been veggie.
it would appear vegans often don't follow an appropriate diet.
Hardly the exclusive domain of vegans though, is it. All the omnivores are the very picture of health of course, well, aside from the obesity epidemic.
I'll speak as someone who actually went through this as a kid. Me and my sister were forced to follow my mothers beliefs as kids, both religion and diet.
School, party's and play dates were always being spoiled be embarrassing situations around food. It really was awful watching all your friends being the same and you being the odd one out.
Thankfully for me, my dad didn't follow my mothers beliefs and when I was around 8 she caved in and allowed me and my sister to choose. That was unquestionably the best decision she made for us as kids.
I can't describe how happy it made us, we were now 'normal' again, just like all our friends.
Our relationship with my mum would definitely have been worse now if she had continued to force her beliefs on us and not given us the choice at such a young age.
If you are forcing your kids to follow your beliefs, be aware that they might not be having as good a time as they make you believe. Me and my sister still hold some resentment over what we were forced to follow as kids, thankfully, we got to choose.
Please give your kids a choice.
fairly certain that McD's fries in the UK have always been veggie
well they say they have but they said that in the US as well
No fair cop i was wrong as i thought they did it here.
Sorry
I'll bring some Pepperami for the boys
Euphemism 😉
Struggling as its a Bday weekend so still sat on the fence but should know soon - not me holding it up mind.
Dont disagree re kids choosing but mine are still young 8 & 7 so at the "coeerced " [possibly] stage rather than forced/parents deciding. Neither want to be anything other than vegan at present but i would still call it less than free will.
You can't have Gregg's cheese and onion pasties?!!!!!
FFS?!!! What kind of sub-human misery are these people enduring? Is it like some uber-catholic sect, circa 1648? 😯
I hope the bloody cheese and the onions appreciate your efforts!
Two sundays ago some jehovahs witnesses knocked on our door and tryed to engage in conversation.
Mom ,dad and two year old son in a suit.
Mom and dad looked happy though...
Cheesy in more than one way there binners
^^^ I can have cheese and onion pasties (had one Monday at Roes Plaice in Rhyl, think it had potato in too).
I think it's probably somewhat more difficult to get a balanced nutritious vegan diet, more so than a traditional one. If most vegan parents are careful conscientious menu planners then some are surely not and think it's ok to just eat raw veg or whatever. So lack of education might account for some statistical discrepancy in the two populations.
more so than a traditional one
can i ask what proportion of a traditional diet meat should makes up?
tbh i guess what im really asking is what is 'traditional'?
Traditional:
cereal/toast/eggs/juice for breakfast
sandwich/soup/salad for lunch
meat+veg/pasta/curry/stew etc for dinner
That might not be a perfect diet but because it would be considered 'normal' it's easy to acheive without knowing much and without thinking about it.
If you're a vegan in the West there's not really a traditional well known menu to fall back to - you have to do your research and learn what you need to eat to make up for the animal protein you're missing. Don't you?
You're not missing out on animal protein. You only need to ensure you get the amino acids your body doesn't produce itself. However, this would only be a problem if you obtain protein from only one source. A reasonably balanced diet should ensure a vegan gets all of them, but like you mention above, education plays a big part.
When I first became vegan aged 18 or so, I got a cook book and took a bit of care about it. A friend did the same but lived above a chippy and existed on chips and mushy peas. He went thin and a strange colour, not surprisingly.
you could eat all that tbh except the eggs and meat
Protein is not a huge issue as you just eats beans /pulses/nuts etc
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegandiets.aspx
Iron, Calcium and B12