[Closed] Oh Rolf 🙁

Find a link to David Icke, or Alex Jones in this whole thread... I dare you

I stopped clicking on your "evidence" links a fair while ago.

you undermined your own credibility by posting stuff like that in the past.

Maybe someone should write a cautionary tale about it, something to do with wolves maybe 😉

" what does locking him up serve other than to cost the tax payer even more !!I"

Punishment.

That was quite a major edit there Junkyard.

Not sure which one you mean tbh[ to jive honey I assume] I am on a dongle thingy and it is being erratic at best. I keep loosing posts cannot reload pages, amd doing double posts - one they were both completely different !! or it posts half of what i say.
Sorry for this
I cannot even copy and paste 😥

Jivehoney i think there is some merit to this one tbh

I stopped clicking on your "evidence" links a fair while ago.

you undermined your own credibility by posting stuff like that in the past.

Maybe someone should write a cautionary tale about it, something to do with wolves maybe

Funnily enough though, the links I posted in the past mostly related to this same subject, however, for some reason, the mainstream media hadn't pursued these hugely worrying allegations, until last week, when I openly directed the following questions to the Prime Minister, on Facebook:

[b]With regards to the ongoing Child Abuse scandal in the wake of Jimmy Savile and the ExaroNews story, where MPs are calling for a full scale national inquiry, including allegations of MI5 involvement using children from carehomes as 'bait' to blackmail MPs that party whips may enforce their political agenda, I was wondering if the great David Cameron would be so kind as to answer the following questions in this weeks PMQs:

a) National Security relates to the security of whom exactly, as it would appear that perhaps it protects a small, corrupt and perverse elite, rather than the general populace

b) Why is it that there has been no significant media coverage of an issue which has shocked people around the world?

c) Can you please explain the purchase of Water Cannons for the streets of London?
[/b]

Howling me 😉

Edukator. What do you think of an earlier comment that childhood abuse leads to displays of attention neediness and lack of empathy in later life?

A well-argued post against prescription, Mrs Toast.

One of the arguments in favour of prescription is that those who do not denounce crimes within a reasonable time period are negligent. For this reason the prescription time starts from the age of 18 for crimes against children so that they have adequate time to denounce the crimes suffered as children when adult. If you don't immediately denounce a crime you should have, you are negligent and further crimes could result from your negligence.

" Le dépérissement des preuves" the erosion of evidence with time, especially the reliability of witness statements is another justification.

Perhaps the most important though is that raising issues from years before is traumatic for all concerned and society in general. In the interest of "la paix et la tranquillité publique" (which I don't think needs translating) events should be forgotten rather than brought back to life.

There is a notion of rehabilitation with time. Even if you burgled a house in your youth, if you've committed no other crime since then it indicates you are reformed person that society no longer needs protection from.

especially the reliability of witness statements

As it's in a similar vein to your earlier suggestion I seek the help of a counselor I'll assume that's another gratuitous personal attack rather than a real question, Woppit.

Edit: we're not in court here and I'm not going to become rich by lying, Junkyard. That you doubt my sincerity is not unreasonable while your doubts remain in your head. That you publicly accuse me of lying on a specific point is libel.

Perhaps the most important though is that raising issues from years before is traumatic for all concerned and society in general. In the interest of "la paix et la tranquillité publique" (which I don't think needs translating) events should be forgotten rather than brought back to life.

Poor old Rolf, lets leave him alone then shall we? And are we to assume his victims suffering diminshed in the meantime yet was raised again since this became public?

Should we forget WW1? Or Slavery? Or sweep Hitlers actions under the carpet?

There is a notion of rehabilitation with time. Even if you burgled a house in your youth, if you've committed no other crime since then it indicates you are reformed person that society no longer needs protection from.

So you manage to get away with for so long, your slate is wiped clean? what does that teach our kids?

Edukator,
Was Rolf in France when theses crimes occurred?
Did you read konabunny's comments regarding your continual monotonous droning regarding this? I believe konabunny is a practicing law person. Go back and re read it.

konabunny
This concept already exists in English law, it's just expressed differently. The court can stay proceedings if it would be an abuse of process or unfair to the defendant. It's not a "one size fits all" rule as "prescription"/statutory limitation periods are.
But even before it gets to Court, the prosecutors will have to be satisfied they have sufficient evidence to get a conviction.

And even after it gets to Court, the jury can simply find the defendant not guily for any reason they like, including because they think it is unfair due to the passage of time, because the evidence is so old and shaky that it doesn't remove reasonable doubt, or because - you know - they just don't think he did it. But the jury heard all the evidence and they didn't make any of those choices.

[b]Really I think you are banging away about nothing at this point.[/b]

Remind us of your legal qualifications.

Edukator - Troll
As it's in a similar vein to your earlier suggestion I seek the help of a counselor I'll assume that's another gratuitous personal attack rather than a real question, Woppit.

Not at all. It's a real question.

1. Deter others
2. Punish the offender
3. Rehabilitate
4. Education
5. protect society

There doesn't seem to be very much focus on the benefit for the victims that prosecuting Harris might have brought.

And personally like most people I'm more concerned with his victims than with Harris.

After all while Harris might be able to put the past behind him his victims have to live with the consequences of his actions for the rest of their lives.

So to try and correct that a bit :

[url= http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2390113/rolf-harris-victim-tonya-lee-cries-with-relief-over-verdict/?cs=12 ]Rolf Harris victim Tonya Lee cries with relief over verdict[/url]

[i][b]A Wollongong woman sexually abused by Rolf Harris who testified against him cried with relief when expressing her happiness at his guilty verdict.[/i][/b]

If this case has brought some sort of closure to his victims and they can move on with their lives because justice has been served then it will have been worth it just for that.

Sadly in the case of Savile's victims they have to live with the fact that he got away scot free with the crimes that he committed against them.

It's a tragedy that Savile didn't get prosecuted, we should be celebrating the fact that Harris has, even if his crimes aren't to the same magnitude.

Should we forget WW1? Or Slavery? Or sweep Hitlers actions under the carpet?

There is no prescription for those crimes, see the Claus Barbie trial and the current claims against Bordeaux slave trading families. The prescription time is set according to the type of crime and has recently been increased for crimes against children.

It teaches kids (and everybody else) to denounce a crime immediately before anyone else suffers.

Konabunny slags me off whatever I type on here, Iolo, just like you. Others take the trouble to read what I post first.

Konabunny slags me off whatever I type on here

Have you considered not saying stupid things ?

OOPS my mistakes it is advanced trolling to just ignore legitimate points as hate fuelled diatribes.
Well played...you are the victim here yes?

But konabunny is stating the law in the uk, not France or outer mongolia or wherever you can find a law where a crime here is deemed less of a disgusting thing than here.
I have not seen any konabunny slagging you off. I am merely asking you questions and have not said a single bad word against you. Please provide evidence if you believe I have.

That you publicly accuse me of lying on a specific point is libel.

You would need to prove his view was false for that to be case.

Others take the trouble to read what I post first.

To fair you don't always make it clear exactly what you mean. Take this for example :

[i]I've got used to declining advances from gays which started in my teens, there might be something about me that attracts them. It's usually a lot less complicated than declining advances from women.[/i]

By "a lot less complicated than declining advances from women" do you mean that women, unlike men, are reluctant take no for an answer - have I got that right ?

Obviously I want to get it right because I can see that you feel the point is important enough that it warrants being mentioned on this thread.

Although I do sometimes get the impression that what you mean varies after the event depending on the reaction it causes.

Konabunny slags me off whatever I type on here

In their defence they slag any one off who says stupid things

So Konabunny is more than one person ?

Well that helps to explain why they always appear to be so well-informed and clever.

Edukator - Troll

It teaches kids (and everybody else) to denounce a crime immediately before anyone else suffers

No definitively it doesn't and there's no solid evidence of that, like they'll be no solid evidence of what I'm about to say; that is, it may also teach kids that if they can hide a crime long enough they'll get away with it. This then logically leads to a society where the biggest crime is in the hiding of the crime itself, lead back round to Saville, Harris and onto the conspiracy theories posted on here that allude to MP's, Royalty and Senior society figures being involved.

No thanks. You commit a crime, you get punished - should be the lesson.

That you doubt my sincerity is not unreasonable while your doubts remain in your head*. That you publicly accuse me of lying on a specific point is libel.

* Nice use of a not to subtle dig... we are seeing all the skills being used today. Thanks

So Konabunny is more than one person ?

I was using this pronoun as a gender-neutral singular rather than as a plural pronoun, it signifies I have no idea what gender they are and nothing more.

Hmmmm, the previous page has changed. Did you edit or was it the moderators, Junkyard?

Either way I'm out.

neither of those claims are factually accurate as far as I can tell.

Amusing you would make an inaccurate statement as a parting gift 😛
This has not left me more inclined to believe your accounts - hell even you think eyewitness testimony , from a long time ago , is unreliable so why are you getting upset with me for agreeing with you 😉

I am merely asking you questions and have not said a single bad word against you. Please provide evidence if you believe I have.

What will you discuss next week, Necrophiliacs?
You'll be fapping all week after this one's done.

You're welcome.

The shovel has left the building...

Kryton-maybe not the biggest crime but perhaps one worthy of equal punishment?

But yes I agree pretty much 100% with what you and Mrs Toast have said

What do you think of an earlier comment that childhood abuse leads to displays of attention neediness and lack of empathy in later life?

Re-reading it appears that the abuse in question was corporal punishment not sexual abuse. I'm aware you don't claim that but I took it that way. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

But in answer - not necessarily.

Jailing Rolf though, his careers ruined he is 84 years old his family must loathe him blimey and the public vilification will probably be enough.

So if he was poor and not famous, he should go to jail?

@ teasel: Any abuse, sexual or otherwise, suffered when young, leaves it's mark. I was honestly trying to get "Edukator" to consider the point in his own case. Unfortunately, he thought I was attacking him...

On reflection perhaps that was a bit insensitive in an open forum. 😳

Any abuse, sexual or otherwise, suffered when young, leaves it's mark.

Most definitely, but that doesn't have to mean an individual is incapable of normal behaviour or outlook on life (whatever the **** that's supposed to be anyway). Everyone will respond differently to abuse and where some will be mistrustful and closed, others can be extravert and all too eager to please - there's no hard and fast rule and sweeping generalisations like Junkyard threw out there are just used to ridicule, in my opinion. Whatever the damage, it can be dealt with quite effectively with a psychotherapist and willingness on behalf of the client to confront or even just express their experiences to someone, anyone in fact, without the notion of prejudices and preconceptions.

Of course. Sorry, are you making a point?

grantus - Member
Kryton-maybe not the biggest crime but perhaps one worthy of equal punishment?

In my view yes. To hide a crime is to acknowledge you knew it was a crime and attempted to deceive to avoid punishment - right?

are you making a point?

Don't think so. Maybe that there was nothing in Edukator's posts to suggest neediness or lack of empathy.

@teasel

iolo - Member
This has to be one of your best Troll ever Edukator.
You against everybody.
What will you discuss next week, Necrophiliacs?
You'll be fapping all week after this one's done.

Please quote me correctly if you must. It seems you missed out the first sentence.
Find another Edukator slagging off if you want but congratulating him on his trolling abilities and giving him ideas for his next is not slagging off.

Kryton - yes I was agreeing with you

Don't think so. Maybe that there was nothing in Edukator's posts to suggest neediness or lack of empathy.

Well, someone earlier pointed out how two people standing next to each other can have a completely different perception of the same event...

Touché

Iolo - if you feel the comment I quoted wasn't you having a pop and just asking him questions, you go on believing that.

I feel pretty sad about his conviction. apart from the fact that he was a horrible peado! I's like a small part of my younger childhood innocence died. Who's next? Tony Hart, Mr Bennet or Morph? seriously, that Rolf could convince a whole nation that he was a nice friendly arty sort of uncle is going to make us nice arty uncles look like horrible ****s. 🙁

Sorry, Iolo, that was a tad dismissive of me. What I meant to get across was suggesting that someone will be banging one out for a week is wrong. Not only can it give one an overdeveloped arm, it also causes extreme friction burns and the resulting blisters will only serve as a forced sabbatical from the company of the Five Sisters.

Whichever way you look at it I don’t feel it was a constructive comment, in all honesty. I mean, what if he hadn't thought about that option and decided it was the best action after what is, after all, a successful troll...

no problem.

I've got used to declining [b]advances from gays[/b] which started in my teens, there might be something about me that attracts [b]them[/b].

:{ oh dear. And he used to teach?

he had to leave due to the racism he faced as he was white in england iirc

[ welcome back Dr 😉 ]

Who's next? Tony Hart, Mr Bennet or Morph?

3 Hrs and no-ones done the 'playdohfile' joke?

:{ oh dear.

If you're going to be sensitive at least be balanced. Ernie Lynch wrote the following a few pages back but in your haste to join those sticking the boot in you seem to have missed it...

In fact the 1970s was considerably more intolerant of anything to do with [b]gay[/b] sex than now. The age of consent for [b]gays[/b] was 21

I'm notoriously non-PC, I don't teach and never have. HTH