[Closed] Nothing says Christmas quite like an automatic weapon...

Socks?

Speaking to BBC Radio 5 live Breakfast's Nicky Campbell, she added that a firearm "in a Christmas box" makes a "fabulous" gift.

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3 unarmed babies - what happens when The Bad Man comes ?

If you really love your family:

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that kids got a huuuugggeee right hand.

I don't see any automatic weapons OP 😕

[i]I don't see any automatic weapons OP[/i]

I'm really quite pleased that we live in a society where most people don't know about guns in this sort of detail.

Automatic weapon in the hands of the older lady in the middle I think .

Yep the one who looks like the cartoon character who just got hit on the head and her neck disappeared

crankboy
Automatic weapon in the hands of the older lady in the middle I think .
Posted 7 minutes ago

No that's a semi automatic.

wwaswas

I'm really quite pleased that we live in a society where most people don't know about guns in this sort of detail.

That is to say, most people are clueless then. I'll happily admit I like guns, have shot quite a few different types and they are enormous fun. I don't own own one and have no immediate plans to. I am interested in America's societal problem with them though and one of the key aspects of that debate actually comes down to the difference between types of guns.

Well that makes it all just a normal family photo then. I certainly wouldn't be popping round to visit them and it's not just the guns...

No that's a semi automatic

Woohoo, the pedants are back 😀

More seriously it just shows how stupid people can be and she is an elected representative!!!

the older lady in the middle

I thought that was Russell Grant. 😳

"Sagittarius! Mars is creeping into your house this week, which may cause conflict......and since they've violated your property illegally and pissed all over your god given constitutional rights you are entitled to blow them away in a red mist of righteous indignation. Yeeeeehaaaa! God Bless 'Murica!....."

[i]"America is the last country that allows its citizens to be the last line of defence"[/i]

Not really a technically accurate statement. I can think of a few places in the Middle East....

Good trigger finger discipline.

It's a bit strange that they think this is the most interesting fact about them.

Do any of us do formal family photos with our bikes, captioned:

Steve: SC Bronson
Natalie: Kona Process
North:Frog 55
Chardonnay: Isla Cnoc 16

[i]"America is the last country that allows its citizens to be the last line of defence"[/i]

Switzerland.

Baby nearest tree has got the right idea.

Switzerland.

Aren't they the first line of defence?

Never mind the guns - the typography is unforgivable

They're the last people that should be let anywhere near a gun. They look like a bunch of redneck hillbilly inbreds.

They look like a bunch of redneck hillbilly inbreds.

That's probably because they are.

Truly terrifying that anyone can buy and own as many guns and ammo as they like in the US....

The Swiss system bears little resemblance to some rednecks popping down to Walmart for their weapon of choice.

Age 13 I received a gun for Christmas, problem? 😕
I never went on to become a terrorist or kill anyone.

[i]Truly terrifying that anyone can buy and own as many guns and ammo as they like in the US.... [/i]

Although, to balance this, they have got a countrywide ban on the sale of lawn darts due to the risks of injury associated with their use.

Truly terrifying that anyone can buy and own as many guns and ammo as they like in the US....

Jimjam
Automatic weapon in the hands of the older lady in the middle I think .

No that's a semi automatic.

How stupid do I feel now..... 🙄

You're quite right though. Before any kind of debate or action can take place to tackle the horrendous gun crimes we see happening so very often, everyone should be made to take a test to ensure that they can correctly identify and place firearms in their respective categories and sub-categories. It's the only way.... 😆

[quote=MrSmith opined]Age 13 I received a gun for Christmas, problem?
I never went on to become a terrorist or kill anyone.

I suspect they were hoping you would use it on yourself

#trollthetroll

Probably got a bazooka under the Christmas tree!

No that's a semi automatic.

Out of interest, how can you tell?

(I know very little about guns - but it [i]looks[/i] like something I'd expect to be firing full auto in a movie or game)

Terrifying and completely untrue

I'm not aware of any State restricting the number of guns or number of rounds of ammo you can own?

MrSmith - Member
Age 13 I received a gun for Christmas, problem?
I never went on to become a terrorist or kill anyone.

Cool story.
I once received a cookbook, but didn't go on to become Michel Roux.... 😉

GrahamS

Out of interest, how can you tell?

Mainly because machine guns and destructive devices are effectively banned for sale to the public in the U.S so it's unlikely to start with . Anyway it's an Extar 556 which is semi auto.

(I know very little about guns - but it looks like something I'd expect to be firing full auto in a movie or game)

This is actually quite a big part of the debate in the U.S at present. Pro gun control lobby want to ban "assault rifles" because they imagine this

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but that's a machine gun. And already banned. So they're referring to semi automatic guns that look like machine guns. So they end up alienating the moderate middle ground, gun owners who are pro gun control, and make themselves a laughing stock among the hardcore NRA 2nd amendment types. Imagine a local newspaper running a story about banning mountain bikes and picturing a motox bike.

Out of interest, how can you tell?

You can't, but you need a special license for a fully automatic weapon (most states ban them completely), so odds are it's semi.

Anyway it's an Extar 556 which is semi auto.

Oh like this?

That looks [i]fairly[/i] auto to me, but like I say I have no idea.

The lad in the middle looks about the same age as my eldest, No way I'd give that **** a gun, he almost snapped his tablet in half in a tantrum once!

yes, fairly, you have to pull the trigger for each shot so it's not 'fully' auto.

A distinction without a difference, in reality.

GrahamS, you'll note that he has to pull the trigger once for each shot fired. If he went on a killing spree with, that he'd probably only be able to murder 50 or so people before his finger got really, really tired.

Pro gun control lobby want to ban "assault rifles" because they imagine this - but that's a machine gun.

No it's not, it's a fully automatic assault rifle.

Most are available in various designs, semi and full auto.

GrahamS

Oh like this?

That looks fairly auto to me, but like I say I have no idea.

No like this.

gobuchul

No it's not, it's a fully automatic assault rifle.

machine gun
noun

1.
an automatic gun that fires bullets in rapid succession for as long as the trigger is pressed.

Most are available in various designs, semi and full auto.

Banned in most states and in states where you can buy them you have undergo background checks and register t with the ATF I believe.

so odds are it's semi.

GrahamS, you'll note that he has to pull the trigger once for each shot fired. If he went on a killing spree with, that he'd probably only be able to murder 50 or so people before his finger got really, really tired.

Anyway it's an Extar 556 which is semi auto.

Oh like this?

machine gun
noun

1.
an automatic gun that fires bullets in rapid succession for as long as the trigger is pressed.

Pedantic gun definition time.

assault rifle
noun
a lightweight rifle developed from the sub-machine gun, which may be set to fire automatically or semi-automatically.

No like this.

Guns are fun! And ****ing terrifying!

SO you can tell by that picture that one of them has a semi?

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Guns don't kill people do ... 😛

If he went on a killing spree with, that he'd probably only be able to murder 50 or so people before his finger got really, really tired.

And even if he was devious enough to switch fingers, he'd have to change magazines after 100 rounds anyway.

Guns don't kill people do ...

I thought it was rappers?

I seen it in [url=

documentary on BBC2[/url].

GrahamS - Member

Guns don't kill people do ...

I thought it was rappers?
I seen it in a documentary on BBC2.

I think some of them do coz they want to act cool ...

They do produce shite music though ...

machine guns and destructive devices are effectively banned for sale to the public

I'm not aware of any State restricting the number of guns or number of rounds of ammo you can own?

The chances of effective gun control laws being passed in the US are almost zero.

They are absolutely obsessed with the "right to bear arms".

I worked with a very smart US engineer, who built his own semi automatic rifle while at Uni. He used the schools CNC machines to do it. He had to buy the main mechanism as it was illegal to build one and I think he bought the barrel. He uses it for coyote hunting.

He's not an in-bred red neck but a very smart, well educated, middle class Californian.

When I asked him where he keeps it, his answer was "in the closet". What about the ammunition, "err in the closet"! He seemed surprised that I expected him to have a gun cabinet.

You can buy guns and ammunition in Walmart.

gobuchul - Member

The chances of effective gun control laws being passed in the US are almost zero.

Good.

They can cull each other as much as they like.

Earth is rather over populated at the moment ...

Cripes you lot talking about Automatics and Semi Automatics.. You know quite a lot more than I do about Gunz.. 😯

I'm more disturbed by the colour coordination (or lack of)
I mean, turgid red t-shirts and jeans?
And the T-shirts aren't all the same colour.. 🙄 You'da thunk they'd buy a job lot of the same colour, perhaps they did and ditched the ones with "I'm with Stupid" on in favour of these horrible things.
And
And the jeans are all different colours too..

My eyes hurt. 😛

bikebouy - Member

I'm more disturbed by the colour coordination (or lack of)
I mean, turgid red t-shirts and jeans?
And the T-shirts aren't all the same colour.

I have to say, I also found that quite offensive... 🙂

The family that slays together:-
“I’m about to fly to Paris and shoot ‘em in the head myself. I am not OK with Syrian refugees. I’m not OK with terrorists.”

Her rant went on: “I’m OK with putting them down, blacking them out, just put a piece of brass in their ocular cavity and end their miserable life. I’m good with that.” lovely rational woman.

footflaps - Member

They look like a bunch of redneck hillbilly inbreds.

That's probably because they are.

Truly terrifying that anyone can buy and own as many guns and ammo as they like in the US....

It fascinates me when information is gleaned from Google and purveyed as knowledge.
The level of ignorance exhibited here regarding firearms and Americans is mind boggling.
The desire to belittle American culture is still alive and well on ST and being peddled with ever increasing fervour.
I don't understand the English desire to condemn what they don't fully understand. And the feeling that anyone who doesn't live like they do is somehow not living right.
The hypocrisy of condemning someone for their culture.
That after all is what's happening here.
Admittedly the family photo is pretty ridiculous, but they are hardly a reflection of the majority of American families.
Most people would never know if someone they were visiting had a weapon or not. It's not mainstream to put your firearms on display in this bizarre manner and to use this families example to make encompassing critical and insulting remarks shows pretty high levels of ignorance.
A lot of what's being said is in humour. I get that but, come on

gobuchul - Member

The chances of effective gun control laws being passed in the US are almost zero.

They are absolutely obsessed with the "right to bear arms".

This from a man with poisonous spit.

[quote=gears_suck ]It fascinates me when information is gleaned from Google and purveyed as knowledge.
The level of ignorance exhibited here regarding firearms and Americans is mind boggling.

Like how ~30,000 people are killed by firearms in the US every year (from Google)?

This from a man with poisonous spit.

Only if I gland it.

Is access to guns really culture though?

Culture is art food tradition not the need to have ready access to a means of offing your self or a neighbour should the whim take you.

America has some great culture some real things of value and that is not belittled by pointing out the right to bare arms which is valued by a certain minority and rich powerful industry is just odd and seems dangerous. Fun internet fact of the day in the last 5 years more Americans have been shot by their own dogs than British policemen by terrorists.

30,000 people in the UK die each year from being bored to death by talking about the weather. FACT.

The last time I was in London someone started talking to me about the difference between Mist, drizzle and fine rain. I barely escaped with my life. Others around me were dropping like flies. The boring settings were on fully automatic.

right to bare arms which is valued by a certain minority

Are they in a minority?

The majority of Americans I have worked with seem to own guns and resist gun control.

It may be the company I keep rather than a reflection on all of the USA.....

Admittedly the family photo is pretty ridiculous, but they are hardly a reflection of the majority of American families.

It's not just some random family of nutters though.

She is [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Fiore ]Michele Fiore[/url], a serving Republican (surprise) politician who [url= http://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/mar/05/fiore-defends-campus-carry-bill-against-nyc-anti-g/ ]sponsored a bill to allow concealed carry of weapons at college campuses, schools and day care facilities[/url], saying it would allow [i]"young, hot little girls"[/i] to defend themselves from rapists. 😯

right to bare arms which is valued by a certain minority

Are they in a minority?

Good point - you'd expect more support for this kind of thing. The other day my boss told me to roll my sleeves down to cover up my arms - it's infringing my human rights!

Good point - you'd expect more support for this kind of thing.

i am not saying I am for or against gun control in the US. (Apart from the fact it's not really my business.)

It was a genuine question, are the majority of Americans for or against gun control? IME the majority I have met are against gun control.

Keep in mind that America was built on mass genocide,slavery and paranoia. It's just a way of life.

LHS - Member
The boring settings were on fully automatic.

Are you sure it wasn't semi-automatic. It's a common mistake you know...

Keep in mind that America was built on mass genocide,slavery and paranoia. It's just a way of life

Which they took from the British.

Are they in a minority?

Which they took from the British.

It was a genuine question, are the majority of Americans for or against gun control? IME the majority I have met are against gun control.

Well, its a difficult question that one, as like everything, certain drum bangers try and oversimplify things to the point of reductio ad absurdum - my experience of Americans is that nobody at all supports a complete absence of gun control - because they clearly think that criminals and people with mental health problems shouldn't be allowed guns - but of course this is already the law and nobody at all is arguing for that to change (yet this is, of course, used to say that the majority of the public support gun control by the anti gun lobby) in the same way, most people seem perfectly happy with the concept of federal checks before purchase to support the above.

The relevant question is more 'should firearm laws be made stricter than they are at the moment' - by which of course you could mean 'ban people on terrorist watch lists from owning guns' to which there would of course be broad support, right through to 'ban handguns' or 'ban large capacity magazines' which there might be a greater level of support, through again to UK like certification, to which there would be widespread opposition.

I think its pretty clear that the consensus in the states is that law abiding citizens should be allowed an absolute right to own guns, the question of what guns and to what degree that applies is more difficult. 'Gun control' isn't a simple or binary issue, so its impossible to answer the question easily.

In October 55% were in favour of stricter gun control according to Gallup but most favoured controlled ownership of hand guns so a minority in favour of right to bare arms but it falls short of favouring an absolute ban on private ownership of guns.

I sometimes hear people defending bull fighting as a cultural part of society. The thing is, cultures can and do change. Cultures are not static. They are always moving and being influenced by other cultures.

mrsfry - Member

Keep in mind that America was built on mass genocide,slavery and paranoia. It's just a way of life.

And of course we just drank tea and everyone we colonised was happy to invite us in and take on our values with open arms.
Or are you just trying to garner some support from the rest of the Luddites who pretend America is the only country that's ever taken something from someone?
What relevance that idiotic comment has regarding gun ownership has passed me by.

I would never pretend that England ever had a noble and glorious history.
English history has a body count greater than WW1 and 2.
I also don't like Churchill.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'll sleep OK now.