[Closed] Neighbour 'stole' our goods & now selling on eBay!

I'm amazed that there are people on here who would let the thieves get away with it.

Absolutely shop them to DSS and HMRC and absolutely mess with their Ebay rating and do anything else you can to make their lives as inconvenient as they make others' lives. People like that disgust me and it's the slow erosion of trust that is ruining our lives. Also tell the Police so that they can build up a picture of this family's activites.

[i]I'm amazed that there are people on here who would let the thieves get away with it.[/i]

Am I allowed to quote myself? I will anyway - From the shoes in the hall thread -

DezB Oh here we go, another "You're so highly strung and we'd all be relaxed about neighbours doing ANYTHING they want" thread! Brilliant. Drugs, cars, kids, shit, now shoes the STW massive are the most tolerant neighbours in the world!
Hilarious.

Now thieves!
😆

I'm amazed that there are people on here who would let the thieves get away with it.

I'm amazed that there are people on here who wouldn't go and knock on their neighbours door if a delivery had gone astray.

edit: actually i'm not.

what they have done really sucks
you should take them to the cleaner

jam bo - without any card etc having been left, we presumed that it had gone 'missing' whilst in the courier's care and that it had possibly not even made it to our street.

I now have screen shots of the ebay listing printed out and will be politely knocking on the door some time soon.

Flyers posted to every house on the street informing other neighbours not to let things get delivered to the dodgy neighbours as they'll steal it and eBay it?

Have I missed something here but is there any real prof that the neigbours sold the dyson that should have been delivered to the OP? If not then insinuating they are thieves might not be a good move, although it sounds likely they are but without evidence what can you do?

If you're 100% sure then the eBay account/MMRC/DSS is the best route to take. If they're thieves then they deserve what they get.

As for the guy who considers it disgraceful behavior to report them for fraud and tax avoidance I'd like to know why you think this is an acceptable way to behave.

iain1775, next you'll be telling me to 'suck it up'.

without any card etc having been left, we presumed that it had gone 'missing' whilst in the courier's care

It did disappear in a vacuum.

iain1775, next you'll be telling me to 'suck it up'.

I'd confront them. They don't sound like nice people though so make sure you find out all the Vax first, if you don't you could be Dyson with death 😕

iain1775, next you'll be telling me to 'suck it up'.
I'd confront them. They don't sound like nice people though so make sure you find out all the Vax first, if you don't you could be Dyson with death

It would be brilliant if his name was Henry wouldn't it?

Your issue is with delivery - it clearly was not delivered to you. You have replacement.

Over and above that, I would just now be wary of the neighbours from now on. The accusation with no evidence other than a same one, is not confirmation enough.

If you're 100% sure then the eBay account/MMRC/DSS is the best route to take. If they're thieves then they deserve what they get.

As for the guy who considers it disgraceful behavior to report them for fraud and tax avoidance I'd like to know why you think this is an acceptable way to behave.

I don't think their actions are acceptable.

However, the OP reported them to the Police via 101, who told them to report to QVC, which he did. QVC aren't interested and consider the matter closed.

Now, with no real evidence, the OP wants report them to HMRC and the DSS and the majority on here think it's a good idea. How does he know they are even on benefits?

As I said, petty, passive aggressive behaviour from the STW/Daily Mail combo.

As I said, petty, passive aggressive behaviour from the STW/Daily Mail combo.

particularly given the lack of evidence. it may well be a complete coincidence.

They'll probably be glad if you go round, if they don't need it then it'll just be gathering dust.

Gobuchul,

Please point me to my comments where I said I wanted to report them to HMRC & DSS??????

Please point me to my comments where I said I wanted to report them to HMRC & DSS??????

Apologies. It wasn't you it was the pitchfork yielding, DM/STW massive.

"QVC aren't interested and consider the matter closed."

So leave it there.

Absolutely no proof that they did in fact 'steal it', and actually, if something was left at their property without their consent, it might actually fall under 'unsolicited goods'. Can't find the relevant section of law though, think it's somewhere in the Consumer Contracts Regulations 2013. The company (QVC in this case) has a duty to deliver to the correct address unless otherwise previously arranged between the buyer and seller. If for whatever reason they just dump it with the neighbours without the neighbours' consent, then the neighbours can do what they like with it. Possibly.

Worth checking before getting all judgmental about it though.

clodhopper - Member

So leave it there.

Absolutely no proof that they did in fact 'steal it', and actually, if something was left at their property without their consent, it might actually fall under 'unsolicited goods'. Can't find the relevant section of law though, think it's somewhere in the Consumer Contracts Regulations 2013. The company (QVC in this case) has a duty to deliver to the correct address unless otherwise previously arranged between the buyer and seller. If for whatever reason they just dump it with the neighbours without the neighbours' consent, then the neighbours can do what they like with it. Possibly.

Worth checking before getting all judgmental about it though

Come on people, it's 99.99999999% likely that it was them given that they live next door, have slightly anti-social behaviour, have never sold anything like this before from their eBay business (it's mainly low-cost crap) and QVC confirmed that it had been delivered.

It's not about the item it's that this sort of behaviour should not be tolerated so I will have a word on the basis that it's 'possibly' pure coincidence that they sold the exact same item 3 weeks after ours was/n't delivered. I want them to know that I'm aware and hopefully this will see their 'possible' bad behaviour cease!

Maybe they made a silly mistake and acted opportunistically, maybe they now regret having acted in such a way but can't turn back the clock and maybe a quiet word will help educated them that opportunistic 'victim-less' acts are not acceptable. Maybe they won't listen and maybe it will fall on deaf ears but it's worth a conversation anyway.

the OP wants report them to HMRC and the DSS and the majority on here think it's a good idea. How does he know they are even on benefits?

I don't think he does. But anyway as I said without any evidence I would be very careful. If you know they're breaking the law then report them.

if something was left at their property without their consent, it might actually fall under 'unsolicited goods'. Can't find the relevant section of law though, think it's somewhere in the Consumer Contracts Regulations 2013. The company (QVC in this case) has a duty to deliver to the correct address unless otherwise previously arranged between the buyer and seller. If for whatever reason they just dump it with the neighbours without the neighbours' consent, then the neighbours can do what they like with it. Possibly

What an utter load of rubbish, the barrack room lawyers on here never cease to amaze. When it was left with the neighbour it would have the OPs name and address on the package. 'Unsolicited goods' would only apply if the neigbour's name and address had been on the package at which point they would then need to give the sender the option to collect. When the courier asked the neighbour to accept the delivery on behalf of the OP they would have had the option to say no, by saying yes I would say they are then obliged to ensure it gets to the correct recipient.

To the OP try ordering something from the suppliers alluded to in [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22029492 ]this,[/url] and maybe make a slight mistake in the house number.

He doesn't know if they actually took it or not.
Do people genuinely think this sort of circumstantial evidence* is all that should be needed to get stuck in? Isn't this exactly why we have courts and stuff?

*IANAL, so maybe that's not the right term but as far as I can see the only evidence for them taking it is that a) the OP hasn't got his hoover and b) he doesn't like them.

"What an utter load of rubbish, the barrack room lawyers on here never cease to amze. When it was left with the neighbour it would have the OPs name and address on the package. 'Unsolicited goods' would only apply if the neigbour's name and address had been on the package at which point they would then need to give the sender the option to collect."

You are of course correct. 😆 😳 In my defence, I did say 'it might'.

Nothing to see here; carry on. Get the pitchforks out and the bonfires lit!

Do people genuinely think this sort of circumstantial evidence* is all that should be needed to get stuck in? Isn't this exactly why we have courts and stuff?

I have a nigerian cousin who needs your help with a very plausible story of his dreadful plight

*IANAL, so maybe that's not the right term but as far as I can see the only evidence for them taking it is that a) the OP hasn't got his hoover and b) he doesn't like them.

its true we don't know for certain but the most likely - though currently unprovable without the serial number - is they nicked the hoover
Its really rather unlikely they woudl just happen to have the exact same hoover as they "lost" at the exact same time it was lost for sale and unused.
Anyway if you think its still plausible pass me on your e-mail for my nigerian cousin

'Unsolicited goods' would only apply if the neigbour's name and address had been on the package at which point they would then need to give the sender the option to collect.

Half of that is right. Goods intended for someone else are not "unsolicited goods," yes. However, if it genuinely is unsolicited goods, you're under no obligation to contact anyone.

OP genuine question - How do you know it's their Ebay account?

Honeytrap + CCTV.

Honeytrap + [s]CCTV[/s] sentry guns.

MrSalmon - Member
He doesn't know if they actually took it or not.
Do people genuinely think this sort of circumstantial evidence* is all that should be needed to get stuck in? Isn't this exactly why we have courts and stuff?

*IANAL, so maybe that's not the right term but as far as I can see the only evidence for them taking it is that a) the OP hasn't got his hoover and b) he doesn't like them.

I haven't said anywhere that I don't like them. We have never had cross words, previous (short) conversations have been friendly and we have taken deliveries for them and they've taken deliveries for us in the past. We even took them a bottle and welcome card when they moved in 18 months ago.

I don't have 100% evidence so I'll be having a conversation on the basis of 'what a bizarre coincidence" so they'll know that I'm aware.

I don't think anyone has suggested getting 'stuck in'.

I have no reason to believe that they claim benefits and I have no reason to believe that they don't pay relevant taxes...these sort of thoughts have no bearing on my original post. This isn't a Witch hunt.

Since starting the post, QVC has said that it's closed in their opinion so the matter will also be closed from me following a polite "coincidence" conversation.

gobuchul - Member
OP genuine question - How do you know it's their Ebay account?

Because it has their address (next door to us) and his name in the 'Contact Seller' bit 🙂

Out of curiosity how do you know categorically that this is you neighbour on ebay? I presume it would just give you an ebay ID and a rough area as ambiguous as a county or at best a city...Now I could type in eBay Dyson Hoover within 10 mile radius of me and get results and it wouldn't just be one. So unless the ebay ID was in the accused name (highly unlikely) or the accused address was on the ebay advert (again highly unlikely) How do you unequivocally know your facts are correct? I'm sort of playing devils advocate but I would like to know!

Anyway if you think its still plausible pass me on your e-mail for my nigerian cousin

MrSalmon - Member
He doesn't know if they actually took it or not.
Do people genuinely think this sort of circumstantial evidence* is all that should be needed to get stuck in? Isn't this exactly why we have courts and stuff?
*IANAL, so maybe that's not the right term but as far as I can see the only evidence for them taking it is that a) the OP hasn't got his hoover and b) he doesn't like them.

I didn't say that it wasn't plausible. I said he had zero actual evidence. See the difference?

I get your point and its both true and hopelessly naive
The most likely scenario is they have nicked his hoover we all know this just as we all know that without access to the serial number he cannot prove it
99.99 % of folk are going to assume they nicked the hoover

Because it has their address (next door to us) and his name in the 'Contact Seller' bit

Well I take it they are registered as trade on Ebay as you don't get that for private sellers, so the DM/STW massive who wanted to report them to Ebay, HMRC and DSS for illegal trading are going to be disappointed.

seth-enslow666 - Member
Out of curiosity how do you know categorically that this is you neighbour on ebay? I presume it would just give you an ebay ID and a rough area as ambiguous as a county or at best a city...Now I could type in eBay Dyson Hoover within 10 mile radius of me and get results and it wouldn't just be one. So unless the ebay ID was in the accused name (highly unlikely) or the accused address was on the ebay advert (again highly unlikely) How do you unequivocally know your facts are correct? I'm sort of playing devils advocate but I would like to know!

Because eBay traders have a Business Seller Information on their adverts with contact details in...and the name and contact is our neighbour at the address next door to us!

Hence my previous comments that I have no reason to suggest that they don't pay their taxes or are claiming benefits. I'm aware that they are eBay traders!

send then an email via ebay asking if they still have it for sale. then pop round.

I get your point and its both true and hopelessly naive

I think you're confusing my point with whether I personally think it's likely that they took it or not.

EDIT I still think that it is A Good Thing that (as far as I know) a higher standard than "it's plausible and everyone knows they did it" would be required by HMRC/courts/whoever.

so the DM/STW massive who wanted to report them to Ebay, HMRC and DSS for illegal trading are going to be disappointed.

By saying this obviously I adore the DM

the dss was dissolved in 2001

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luckily for me I have never needed them.

We dont know if they have declared it to HMRC or DwP

You don't know that about anyone. Or should we just routinely report our unpleasant neighbours to various Government departments, "just to be sure, you never know".

Mate you're being a dick now

Mate you're being a dick now

hebdencyclist - Member
You know what you could do? Screw with their eBay business.

1. I'll bet they're traders but operating on a personal (not business) eBay account. People do this because it's cheaper but it's a T&C violation. So tell eBay.

2. I'll bet they don't declare their eBay earnings. So tell HMRC.

3. Bid on their stuff then don't pay.

4. Absolutely **** their feedback.

And you think I'm a dick! 😀

Yes. Yes I do.

luckily for me I have never needed them.

[quote=hebdencyclist ]Mate you're being a dick now
that implies there was a time when they were not being a dick 😉

So are you naive too?

that implies there was a time when they were not being a dick

Junkyard, the fact that you and a bloke who recommends reporting someone to Ebay and the Taxman over a suspicion and recommends trying to destroy his business, is very reassuring. 😉

I assume you are just pleased we knew who to report it to 😛

so, given the hoover belongs to QVC, if you go round and they fess up and hand over the hoover, does that mean you're in receipt of stolen goods?