[Closed] My 11yo daughters are size 14 and my son is 20 stone - what am I doing wrong?

[i]Isn't it a bit early for you to start throwing your toys out the pram, Solo?[/i]

Well, as a S/G, your mission is to bait and try to get a [i]rise[/i] from anyone on here, you wish to. However, imo, a balanced view of JY's post would spot the antagonistic tone therein. Which either you are unable to spot, or you wish to overlook.
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I am amazed at the "[i]Its sooo simple, just eat less and move more[/i]" brigade. Just go on about, like, [b]Shit ![/b] who'd of guessed that was the answer ?, I must be so dumb.
And like, all that hormone stuff, well thats just [b]BS[/b].

If only, eh ?
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[i]thanks for clearing that up, It is now clear you think moving less does not work, but it does, but it doesnt.
THANKS [/i]

JY, unlike you, I am [u]trying[/u] to be clear without offending anyone. The evidence is out there, don't blame me.
There are a lot of people who are over weight yet who are very active.
Your advise is not helping them. What shall we do ?.

So after 5 pages what the consensus? Are fat people thick or clever?And if I eat and move will I lose weight or stay the same.

Also If I only shop at iceland and buy 5 frozen pizza's for a £1 and feed them to my kids tonight will my kids lose weight because they get loads of exercise playing xbox connect (it gets them to move so is clearly an excellent form of exercise)

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[i]I am absolutely convinced that fat people are fat because they eat too much, and thin people are thin because they eat less. I do not have any data to prove this. I am happy to be proved incorrect if someone can point me in the direction of the data. [/i]

Nope, I think you're pretty much on the money there. People who starve are generally thin. People who eat too much, gain weight according to the laws of thermo dynamics.

However, if I may ask a question... why does one person eat more than they need, while another eats too little, or just enough to maintain their BF ?. Is it a pre-meditated act of glutony by the fat person, or a wilfull act of going hungry by the thin person ?.

Well, as a S/G, your mission is to bait and try to get a rise from anyone on here, you wish to.

Special guy or not, I think you are akin to the most rabid of Apple/Android/MS/Sony etc fanboy when it comes to diet. So no, I am not trying to bait you, I am merely disagreeing with you. So stop giving yourself so much credit.

However, imo, a balanced view of JY's post would spot the antagonistic tone therein. Which either you are unable to spot, or you wish to overlook.

You seem to have a habit of being equally obtuse and patronising, yet are always first to call it on other people. Apparently it is ok, as long as you caveat your arguments with a winking emoticon.

You need to relax a bit more, mate*. 😉

*I'll assume you will get the #reference.

[i]or stay the same.[/i]

You can only stay the same IF, you are in perfect energy balance. How you achieve that every day, as even one mouthful of food could tip you over the edge. Is a feat I've yet to see. Although there are people who guess themselves to eating the exact amount of cals everyday. Perfectly. Apparently.
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[i]Also If I only shop at iceland and buy 5 frozen pizza's for a £1 and feed them to my kids tonight will my kids lose weight because they get loads of exercise playing xbox connect (it gets them to move so is clearly an excellent form of exercise) [/i] 😆

Thats it !, theres an entire industry out there willing to see you eat more only to need to burn it off, by going ot the gym, buying a bike, buying a games console, etc, etc.
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JY, unlike you, I am trying to be clear without offending anyone

There are a lot of people who are over weight yet who are very active.
Your advise is not helping them. What shall we do ?.

[i]I am not trying to bait you[/i]

[i]Isn't it a bit early for you to start throwing your toys out the pram, Solo?[/i]

I have a scoll bar.
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JamiePorter:
[i]I am absolutely convinced that fat people are fat because they eat too much, and thin people are thin because they eat less. I do not have any data to prove this. I am happy to be proved incorrect if someone can point me in the direction of the data.
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I referred you to the Princeton Uni study above. Next try searching MedLine / PubMed for other articles by the same author, and associations between fructose / HFCS and metabolism in Quertle.info

There's the daTA!

[i]get them to eat less/have an energy imbalance. [/i]

Bit lacking on detail there, imo. Can you be more specific, please ?.

[i]Are they all bad people,

[b]NO [/b]
or is it that theres a little more to it ?.
[b]NO[/b]
If people were simple calorie machines, it would be soooo simple. Like only putting enough petrol in your car to travel 20 miles, when you wanted to travel, 20 miles.... Of course, compared to the human body, cars are simple machines.

[b]And the point is - the more complex you are the less the laws of thermodyamics apply to you - can I see your working?[/b][/i]

Come on JY, try to be nice.
Oh, and perhaps you can calm down ?.

But then we'd also play a bit of kerbie in the street, go build dens, create dams in the burn, play on tree swings, wander down to the park, walk to school every day etc etc

Funnily enough, I can't remember anyone in my year being really fat and we stuffed our faces with pretty much anything we could get our hands on, much it fairly unhealthy and yet we weren't fat!

I can only conclude that exercise has a far greater effect on metabolism in the medium to long term than a simple calories in/calories expended equation but I'm also starting to believe the high-fructose corn syrup is partly responsible (how big a part is debatable due to other factors) for the obesity problem we are facing now.

we stuffed our faces with pretty much anything we could get our hands on, much it fairly unhealthy and yet we weren't fat!

I can only conclude that exercise has a far greater effect on metabolism

Or something specific in the food we eat is different to 30 years ago.

Woody.

I kinda reckon growing children will use more calories to sustain growth, so you claiming to eat loads, [u]when you were a growing chld[/u], yet none of your peers being really fat makes sense. It also ties in with the theory that people will eat more because they are growing, either vertically or horizontally and not the other way around.

@Solo

You were getting pissy with Junkyard and calling him a troll for disagreeing with you, hence my comment about pram related toy ejections. Nothing to do with trying to bait you.

I have a scoll bar.

Well done.

Another diet thread gone the same way as normal, can't even have a discussion about the changing attitudes to body shape in the western world without it descending into all this... again

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Now wasn't there a study recently that found that kids nowadays don't have significantly lower levels of activity compared to a generation or two ago? I'm sure I saw it on the Beeb. Can't find details anywhere...maybe I was imagining it?

Fructose-based-glitch.

to be fair it's easy to sort out

get rid of all the fat people? 😯

There are a lot of people who are over weight yet who are very active.

Yes there are a lot, as in the number may be a big number, in the same way that 1000 is a big number and 10 is not, BUT it is not a statistically significant proportion of the whole.

There are some* (and we can concede that the number is big) but it is NOT big compared to the overall number of overweight people.

You can't use minority cases as an explanation for the overall trend, or do you genuinely believe that [b]most[/b] people who are overweight are overweight due to a medical condition and not overeating/under exercising?

If that were the case then there would have to have been a massive shift in our biology/external biological influence over recent years to account for such a large change in population weight distribution, and it would not be limited to the so-called developed world.

General advice should focus on the general causes and trends, and specific problems addressed with the help of medical professionals who have the skills needed to diagnose and help appropriately.

[i]*I do not belittle these people in the slightest, it can only imagine at the difficulty they must face dealing with such a condition and have every sympathy with people who are trying to be healthy and face medical challenges[/i]

given the western worlds obsession with voyeuristic "reality tv" cack for the brain deficient such as big brother all we need to do is round up all the tubsters and put them in a replica of the Cretan Labyrinth. Then release some rabid honey badgers and film the results on live TV.....

"day 3, big Nige is still running, getting slimmer and has stopped for high protein aktins and paleo diet acceptable snak from the gnawed corpse of Mandy......she was too big to get around that corner and got taken out by a swift pincer manoeuvre by bill and ben the top scoring bagders of doom this week, and now for the highlights"

[i]@Solo

You were getting pissy with Junkyard and calling him a troll for disagreeing with you
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Well, you are wrong, I won't hold my breath for the apology though.
I warned JY for this:
[i]are you rejecting it then - that would be me and everyone else leaning on it then - [b]have you re written it? can I see your working?[/b][/i]
It seemed needlessly combative.

Which is why thanks to JY, I'm inclined to agree with...
[i]descending into all this... again[/i]

Not that you care, but I still think DD's post about eating better and moving about a bit, sums it up very well.

I'm off now. Ta, ta.
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all we need to do is round up all the tubsters and put them in a replica of the Cretan Labyrinth.

I misread that as Cretin Labyrinth at first. I'm not entirely sure I should've been wrong.

bad man cougar! but funny

There are a lot of people who are over weight yet who are very active.

Yes there are a lot, as in the number may be a big number, in the same way that 1000 is a big number and 10 is not, BUT it is not a statistically significant proportion of the whole.

Hmm. The whole of what? Out of all the people who are active, there are a fair few around who aren't particularly skinny. Ok so they're not super athletes, but go MTBing (or road cycling for that matter) and the proportion of people who ride regularly and are chubby is quite high. Or Sunday football, after work squash etc.

Conversely, there are quite a lot of people who eat lots of goodies and don't do exercise, and are skinny. I work with a few, and am related to quite a few.

So I think that it IS a statistically significant portion of the whole.

On the question of stupidity - the human mind is a strange place, and a good amount of it is in your belly. Seriously. If someone on crack does stupid things, you blame the drug they've taken. Sugary (or something else) foods aren't much different. It really messes with your brain.

Halcyon days and do kids today even know what 'kerbie' is? I remember having to stop mid game for the odd car......damned inconvenient

Mate and I were kerbie experts. Maximum points were achieved by throwing the ball backwards over your head, bouncing off his kerb, then yours, then his!

As an adult I'm not even sure how that physically possible!

how come its acceptable for random strangers to comment on my smoking...'that will kill you that will' ....but when i have a go at a fatty stuffing pizza into her overflowing trolley in tesco it is apparently out of order ?

how come its acceptable for random strangers to comment on my smoking...'that will kill you that will' ....but when i have a go at a fatty stuffing pizza into her overflowing trolley in tesco it is apparently out of order ?

because someone stuffing a pasty in their face won't give you passive obesity ?

because someone stuffing a pasty in their face won't give you passive obesity ?

because someone stuffing a pasty in their face won't give you passive obesity ?

I dunno. It plants the stodgy seed that usually diverts me into the nearest Greggs.

cant we start rendering fatties down to make green fuels ?
would be more beneficial to society as a whole,

OK Mr Smartey Arsey, please explain how I got so lardy then?

that's the fat fairy. it visits you at night when you sleep and deposits a high calorie creamy deposit of carbs and protein in your mouth.

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it visits you at night when you sleep and deposits a high calorie creamy deposit of carbs and protein in your mouth.

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Amedias. [i]If that were the case then there would have to have been a massive shift in our biology/external biological influence over recent years to account for such a large change in population weight distribution, and it would not be limited to the so-called developed world.[/i]

Unless that external influence was a foodstuff almost exclusively limited to the developed world, like fructose in - well, most processed foods. It supposedly alters your insulin balance, changing the tendency to put down fat.

http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/21/fat-fuel-biodiesel-tech-sciences-cz_pcb_1222fatfuel.html

hang on a minute... the women who accosted me today, crossed the road to the wall i was sitting on to tell me off. she was fat, but i restrained myself from mentioning that. if passive smoke is so bad stay the **** away from me while i am smoking

in fact you may have helped her, that detour across the road was extra calories used. Keep smoking that man and for every fatty that goes out of their way to tell you off, think "yep that's a quarter of a kitkat I've saved you, no need to thank me it's a public service"

Have you looked to see how much HFCC is in UK food? Not much that I've seen. Yop was the first thing I saw that had it, it's labeled as glucose-fructose syrup here.

in fact you may have helped her, that detour across the road was extra calories used. Keep smoking that man and for every fatty that goes out of their way to tell you off, think "yep that's a quarter of a kitkat I've saved you, no need to thank me it's a public service"

Problem is, they will think those few extra steps has earned them a twix.

...it's labeled as glucose-fructose syrup here.

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/my-11yo-daughters-are-size-14-and-my-son-is-20-stone-what-am-i-doing-wrong/page/4#post-4214172 ]Discussed[/url] a few pages back, Molgrips.

ha ha ha love it tazzy

imo , main reason so many people are obese is that food and drinks are everywhere .
fill car with petrol = food to buy
Boots the chemist probably sell more meal deal than tablets
high streets are filled with takeaway .
tv is full of food programs .

edit; sorry. that was too much

edit; sorry. that was too much

It was a leap...even for STW 8)

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Ooooh... It doesn't matter i can have lyposuction...
Not to offend anyone but I am disgusted by fat parents with fat kids. Surely thay have been told by their GP about heath effects for them in later life but the still allow their children to grow up to have the same lifestyle and heath issues that they do. (I used fat beacause overweight implies that there is a point where its ok and Due to the notorious misinterpretability of obese i didn't use that either) Last year my school took a small group to the top of mt. Toubkal in Morocco. before the trip everyone sat a bleep test. the minimum you had to achive was 7.0 not that hard at our age. But 2 member failed so miserably (2.2 and 1.6) that they were given lessons in diet and physical exersise after school. they are both obviously fat but not to the point where you would expect that kind of result, my point is that there was a sheer unwillingness to exert any effort. The annoying thing is that both have returned to the same weight they were before the trip! Both want to be racing car drivers, a job requiring physical fitness, no? but still in light of this show no inclination towards doing anything about it. I want to be a fighter pilot and I looked up the reccomended fitness for my age and have not just met it but exeeded it to become the most outstanding candidate I can be. <END RANT>

It's probably been said, (I skipped forward from page 2) but portion size.

People eat too much. Straight up.
Section in that link, mentioning the son went to a fat camp and lost 3 stone. He's still at least 7 overweight!!

As said since most of the public is overweight, people's perceptions on what is acceptable change, your "average" 14/15st person is seen as normal. Which is wrong.

Did anyone watch the hairy bikers weight loss thing? When they get on the scales and don't realise just how big they are!!

Ooh also GP's, I'm sure plenty of them are overweight too!
I know mine is.

Last year my school took a small group to the top of mt. Toubkal in Morocco

You are far too middle class to be anywhere close to understanding these issues. Red card.

"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."

Also cycle everywhere.

I want to be a fighter pilot and I looked up the reccomended fitness for my age and have not just met it but exeeded it to become the most outstanding candidate I can be

*scientology bump*

bump thingy

*superflous bump*

...which would be a great name for a blues singer.

You talked about HFCC but you didn't mention any foods that actually contain it in the UK.

I still think it's pretty rare. Yop is the only thing I found that contains it.

You talked about HFCC but you didn't mention any foods that actually contain it in the UK.

I still think it's pretty rare. Yop is the only thing I found that contains it.

I don't think it is that rare in the UK, it's just called different things (isoglucose, maize syrup, and glucose-fructose syrup).

This article lists some UK foods: http://www.katearnoldnutrition.co.uk/Common_Sense_Nutrition/2010/06/28/june-newsletter-the-campaign-against-corn-syrup/

The bad news for the forum dwellers is that it includes [b]Jaffa Cakes[/b] and [b]Hob Nobs[/b]! 🙁

which would be a great name for a blues singer.

[i]Another diet thread gone the same way as normal, can't even have a discussion about the changing attitudes to body shape in the western world without it descending into all this... again[/i]

I agree with philly, there are a few people that post on these threads that are looking for an excuse/in denial about their own weight/exersize/eating habits.

I struggle with long sentences. I'm off to the pub for a pie

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[i] I'm off to the pub for a pie[/i]

really? I'm off to the pub to get utterly ****ed after the day I've had.

Surely the simple answer to the problem is a legal limit to the width of doors to supermarkets and fast food restaurants.

If you can't fit through the doors it's time to stop buying food...

I hate threads like this. There are many people in the UK. Its not just education. It can also be a question of IQ levels. Look at many council estates, as with any society those born bright rise up and climb out whilst those with issues, borderline learning difficulties etc steadily slip down at school etc. Alcohol abuse also affects a childs intelligence in the womb etc etc. Yes its cruel saying this but in a society we arent all (100% of pop) able to make cognitive choices. The woman probably cant connect that she is doing wrong.

Wow! People really are trying to say fat people are stupid. 😯

FWIW I work with degree-educated people and many of them are overweight. As am I.
And I know a few people way smarter than me (including medical consultants) that are overweight or obese.

You actively know WHY you are overweight.

As am I

[i]People really are trying to say fat people are stupid. [/i]

I expect only obese people are saying this, tbh, it's stupid 😉

fwiw, one of the largest men I've ever seen (proper belly hanging over knee caps when sat down job) was the cardiologist my wife saw when she had an arythmic hearbeat. He seemed quite bright.

FWIW I work with degree-educated people and many of them are overweight. As am I.
And I know a few people way smarter than me (including medical consultants) that are overweight or obese.

Maybe not stupidity, but there has to be at least a level of ignorance in terms of what they are shoving in their mouths.

including medical consultants

This is what I can't understand, some of them are self-destructive. Its almost as though its programmedinto the human condition to have vice's.

[i]Solo - Member

And, yes, people should take personal responsibilty for their diet.[/i]

[i]Jamie - Member

Maybe not stupidity, but [b]there has to be at least a level of ignorance[/b] in terms of what they are shoving in their mouths. [/i]
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[i][b]Obesity experts[/b] say [u]parents are struggling[/u] with a multitude of problems when it comes to their child's weight. They range from a [b]lack of education about food, limited cooking skills and limited money to buy healthier food[/b] to longer working hours [b][u]and marketing campaigns for junk food aimed at kids.[/u][/b]

[u]But the more sedentary lives children now lead is also creating huge problems[/u]. Last week a study suggested that up to [b]75% of junior school children preferred to stay at home[/b] than go to their nearby park.

Watching TV was one of the most popular activities, with [b]89% saying it was how they liked best to spend their time away from school[/b], according to researchers Lightspeed. In July, scientists from University of Montreal claimed every extra hour of television that a toddler watches each week adds to their waist size by the time they turn 10.

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Out of interest, then, why do YOU think you are fat? Are you happy about it? Would you rather not be?

My calories out have been less than my calories in.

I've always been "stocky" though. Rugby player rather than swimmer physique 🙂
Recently my weight was creeping up till I got dangerously close to breaking 100kg. I wasn't happy about that so started doing something about it. I'm now 91.7kg from increasing calories out and decreasing calories in - still overweight though.

Maybe not stupidity, but there has to be at least a level of ignorance in terms of what they are shoving in their mouths.

Nope not even that. My consultant friend loves to cook and makes everything from scratch. She is way better informed about nutrition than most people. She just likes nice food and wine.

I imagine most overweightness came about over parents increasing worry- we have media EVERYWHERE now telling us about risk. Then theres the presses focus on grouping similar stories together to make it seem like its the only issue in the world at that moment..

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Well. I guess I should be grateful it's a fraction less nonsensical than your usual replies.

Nope not even that. My consultant friend loves to cook and makes everything from scratch. She is way better informed about nutrition than most people. She just likes nice food and wine.

So she is willingly taking being overweight, as collateral damage for a fine eating and drinking experience?

Its very simple really peaple feed theire kids shit from a young age because they were fed shit from a young age...why would kids eat a proper meal when there used to eating complex processed cack....if you give them a choice between a proper meal and some crisps and a bar of chocolate with fizzy drinks..of course there going to eat the rubbish simples! thats why there fat..it winds me up when peaple go on about trying to loose weight etc etc Eat less and move more it really is that easy..:)

[i]Well. I guess I should be grateful it's a fraction less nonsensical than your usual replies[/i]

[i]Nope not even that. My consultant friend loves to cook and makes everything from scratch. She is way better informed about nutrition than most people. She just likes nice food and wine. [/i]

Err, looks like you're cornering the market.
LMAO @ S/G #2

So she is willingly taking being overweight, as collateral damage for a fine eating and drinking experience?

Plenty of people seem to do this no? It's not unusual...

Plenty of people seem to do this no? It's not unusual...

True. I guess I just struggle to see into that particular mindset.

Well, I don't think that people actively think "I'm fat, but hey, I eat well, drink much fine wines, and consume only the best puddings", but on a sub-conscious level, there's a lack of willingness to do anything about it.

Could there be a thought process that goes, 'well, I am already overweight, a bit of cake won't hurt'...so the whole thing becomes self perpetuating?

Could there be a thought process that goes, 'well, I am already overweight, a bit of cake won't hurt'...so the whole thing becomes self perpetuating?

Interesting one...

I have a friend (no, really) who I watched go from quite overweight, to morbidly obese...we're talking around 6'0" and well over 20 stone. He was a prop forward before it all, so quite a big lad anyway. Always on the beers with the rugby team, eating the way that you do in your teens and twenties. Then bang, car crash, ankle that had to be pieced back together with a lot of metal and no more rugby. The beers and eating continued and the weight piled on. I think that with his frame, it was easy to stick a few stone on there without noticing too much. There obviously came a turning point when he thought, "ah **** it, I look like shit now, what's the harm in a few more cakes..."

This is the point I reckon it would be most interesting to identify with overweight people.

Everytime I see a morbidly obese person, I think the same thing to myself: "At what point did you look in the mirror and just stop caring?"