[Closed] My 11yo daughters are size 14 and my son is 20 stone - what am I doing wrong?

agreed that clothes sizes and the general perception of 'normal size' has changed.

i have blunt conversations with my patients about their weight.

will we see the word 'obese' being frowned upon like some of the older medical definitions as it becomes more of an insult than diagnosis?

parents set pretty important examples for their kids: overweight? chances are you'll have an overweight kid. always controlling and worrying about weight? chances are you'll have a kid that develops the same issues. healthy, active parents.... ideal 🙂

telling your kid they're beautiful 'just the way you are' may be true in your eyes as a parent, of course your kids are going to be beautiful to you.... but its a bit like gok wan telling the size 24 women that all they need to do is buy clothes that show off their boobs and the world is good again, ignore the weight problem and there will most likely be health problems.

I'm pleased to say that medium Kona Merino Jumper fits me just fine

Bariatrics... its a growth industry..

get my hat...

So it's just me that finds a bag of apples cheaper than a bag of chips then?

Not all fat people are stupid

we've gradually slid to the point that it's normal to be fat

My nipper is 11 and wears a size 12 but my God is she fast on a bike so I am not too worried. I do have to keep her out of the fridge though.

It's got to be more down to activity levels than food.

I turned 40 this year and, at 12 stone, I am almost 2 stone heavier than when I left university.

As a young child and teen I was a skinny beanpole despite my mum's packed lunches comprising crisps, cake and a chocolate bar. Tea was always a meat and two veg affair. Probably didn't drink much fizzy pop but had squash and coffee with 2 sugars.

I didn't start putting on weight until my mid/late twenties when I started driving to work and sitting at a pc all day.

I work near a young chap, early/mid 20s is my guess and by my unscientific reckoning he must be near 30 stone and a short arse like myself and whilst its easy to point and tut tut...

I don’t know if he is married or has children but all I can think of every time I see him is that he will probably never see his 50th birthday and quite possibly maybe not even his 40th and so like many youngsters today will die before his parents

Its just a sad waste of life

Aren't we all also supposed to be getting taller too?
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Why then, are women's clothes in larger sizes still sized for oompa loompas who must be as wide at they are tall!
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Thing is.....I'm at work in London, and I've got to say, there really arent many fat people around. Some chubby folk, maybe one or two that you would consider seriously fat. But other than that pretty much 85-90% of people are a healthy weight. Thats a professional office environment and might not be totally representative of the whole city.......but if 2/3 of adults are overweight nationaly, there must be some places where almost EVERYONE is fat right?

I work in an ofice environment where you would assume the average IQ is fairly high and people are certainly not poor. There are plenty of fat people, some of whom have crisps out of the vending machine for breakfast.

It's got to be more down to activity levels than food

Or even peoples lack of knowledge with calories burnt through activity and likewise calories consumed.

It seems quite common for people to "treat themselves" after some light exercise. And in the process consume 3 times the calories they've burnt.

And don't rip the piss out of people who aren't bright. It's not nice at all.

This thread needs closing, it's got no good in it.

I'm at work in London.. there must be some places where almost EVERYONE is fat right?

Mmm.. London seems to feature [i]heavily[/i] on this map:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/dec/19/obesity-childhood-statistics

Don't judge til you know the story.

+1

I run every day and many people think I am obsessive with excercise as well as a very competitive nature. I have two teenagers and it is a constant challenge to ensure they eat healthily and get excecise/study/socialise etc.
I havent read all of tis but I suspect its full of the same sanctimonius Daily Mail guff. When you have teenagers many of you will change your view and whilst you can strive to give good avice and set a good example peer pressure is a frightening thing.

It's nothing to do with being thick, we've gradually slid to the point that it's normal to be fat.

What really gets me is those who are housebound/immobile due entirely to their weight and associated problems. SOMEONE is feeding them, which is fairly obvious as they are usually surrounded by various food packets which haven't been picked up by their carer yet!!

Unfortunately, 'the feeders' are not the ones who risk damaging their back trying to get them to hospital when the inevitable illness strikes. I've had 2 patients in the past week which have taken 3 ambulance crews (total 5/6 staff) to move them out of the house, one of whom was very close to needing the assistance of the Fire Brigade. This is becoming a very regular occurrence now and is getting worse by the week.

I suspect its full of the same sanctimonius Daily Mail guff

Now where did you get that idea from surfer?

Add in a pinch of "you stupid fat eejit, don't you know what's good for you" and you're there.

This is becoming a very regular occurrence now and is getting worse [s]by the week[/s] with every meal time.

hen you have teenagers many of you will change your view

Not sure how teenagers are responsible for causing overweight 6 year olds? 😕

Chemical release in the brain leads to excessive consumption shocker.

What did I do wrong?

Passed on the gene for irresponsibility.

Whether you get your kicks from food, alcohol, drugs, sex, money, buying shit...it's always going to go tits up when you lose balance and do it too much.

Maybe go back to treating the trait that is greed as a weakness rather than a disease?

Not sure how teenagers are responsible for causing overweight 6 year olds?

Why let a few split hairs get in the way of laughing at the afflicted?

Not sure how teenagers are responsible for causing overweight 6 year olds?

Whats your point caller?

I know that some crematoria cannot take the increased size in coffins

Mcboo-- do you work in an up market brothel?

Add in a pinch of "you stupid fat eejit..

Has anyone actually called overweight children or their parents "stupid" or "thick" on this thread, apart from our two moral apologists?

Depends how many teenagers the 6 year old eats I suppose

Has anyone actually called overweight children or their parents "stupid" or "thick" on this thread, apart from our two moral apologists?

Read the thread...it's certainly implied.

Moral apologist? Jeez...

Whats your point caller?

That the article is about overweight children, not teenagers, citing that [i]"over 33% of 11-year-olds are now overweight or obese and among four and five-year-olds it's 22%"[/i].

Teenagers can be difficult to control. Granted. But unless they are force-feeding their younger siblings then they are not to blame here.

Read the thread...it's certainly implied.

Not by me. Some people seem to have brought their own offence with them.

And if parents are allowing pre-school age kids to become obese is it really unfair to suggest stupidity or willful ignorance as a culprit?

A GP friend of mine recently suggested to the parents of a 6 yr old that they should do more to tackle the little girl's obvious weight problem.
Dad came into reception threatening violence and they went to the papers. The Sheffield star printed a piece saying how this thoughtless gp had upset the child.
So yes. Sometimes the parents are definitely to blame. [url= http://m.thestar.co.uk/news/health/sheffield-parents-anger-after-girl-labelled-obese-1-4928396 ]Sheffield star article[/url]

...there must be some places where almost EVERYONE is fat right?

I've found it interesting that previously I worked in a practice in the middle of a Pompey council estate - a lot of patients were overweight and unhealthy.

Currently working in "2 beemer country" (Horsham) and haven't seen as many obese people by a long shot....

DrP

*hand up*

Ooh... ooh.. miss.. I know.. me.. me... I know..

Is it.. is it.. "cake"?

And then...the old STW corker...

Some people seem to have brought their own offence with them.

Yes, I'm offended by proxy. 🙄

Has anyone actually called overweight children or their parents "stupid" or "thick" on this thread, apart from our two moral apologists?

So, in answer to the question, yes someone just has.

A GP friend of mine recently suggested to the parents of a 6 yr old that they should do more to tackle the little girl's obvious weight problem.

If they told the parents in front of the girl that she might die of diabetes then I would suggest they were right to be annoyed. Right message, shitty delivery.

That the article is about overweight children, not teenagers, citing that "over 33% of 11-year-olds are now overweight or obese and among four and five-year-olds it's 22%".

Teenagers can be difficult to control. Granted. But unless they are force-feeding their younger siblings then they are not to blame here.

But I didnt say they where however my point ref peer pressure stands. I made reference as a parent of teenagers now but thats by the by.
I am making no exacuses for obes people who claim they play no part in getting to the position they are in but many of those overweight get their though poor diet, lack of excercise and sometimes lack of education. It is not as simple as people sitting in a room eating pise and chocholate but hey that doesnt play to same prejudices.
And DD is right you may not have used the words you quoted but you inference was clear.

I can assure that was not how it was delivered

IMO, the rise in obesity is just down to stupid people being too lazy to cook properly

Maybe we could now put your incredible intellect to resolving conflict in the middle east?

IMO, the rise in obesity is just down to stupid people being too lazy to cook properly and encourage their kids to take a bit more exercise than sending texts and playing on the xbox (probably in case the peedos get them if they open the front door)

If they told the parents in front of the girl that she might die of diabetes then I would suggest they were right to be annoyed. Right message, shitty delivery.

Yes, I'm offended by proxy.

Humm.. yes, I opened with a joke about people not being able to see something that seems obvious to outsiders. A pretty common comedic device.

Not sure why you'd read that as me saying [i]"fat people are stupid"[/i] or even [i]"that mother is stupid"[/i].

She is a blind perhaps, but it's easy to miss the bigger picture when you're in the middle of it.

Moreover, calling the overweight stupid would be... errr... "stupid" given that I am overweight myself.

re apples vs chips: i'm not sure tubsters should be substituting lipids with fructose. I remember hearing from someone far more qualified than me that the 2 main metabolic pathways for fructose were replenishing liver glycogen (which fatties who don't exercise much may not have huge need for), or LDL (bad) cholesterol. Any docs care to fill in the gaping holes in my 'understanding' cos the wiki on fructose went straight over my head?

I think the story highlights some of the problems
the parents realise she has weight problem - they acknowledge it in the article. However when someone mentions it to them [ i doubt a dr said YOU WILL DIE - to a child] they go all morally outraged and are offended. I think there is some sort of view that being overweight is not the result of the person eating to much and that to suggest otherwise is rude. This is just to ignore the actual science[ in almost all cases though their are some medical causes as well].

Eat less exercise more

it is not a complicated message though many dont want to hear it.

I went to the doctors today, most of the staff there were (at least) overweight and most of the doctors at that surgery are too. Fine example to be setting and I imagine it makes it very hard to Comment on a patients weight non?

It's a bit like the old 'as long as you drink less than your doctor' thing...

re apples vs chips: i'm not sure tubsters should be substituting lipids with fructose.

Maybe we could now put your incredible intellect to resolving conflict in the middle east?

Eat less exercise more

Eat [i][b]better[/b][/i], exercise a bit.

Eat better, exercise a bit.

Hair splitter

Better would be less[calories] surely if you are overweight?