[Closed] My 11yo daughters are size 14 and my son is 20 stone - what am I doing wrong?

[i]I understand that HFCS is a big problem in the US thanks to government subsidies, etc, which is why it is all over the net, but is it a problem or even relevant here in the UK[/i]

I'm [i]trying[/i] to demonstrate that Corporations do [b]Actively and purposely[/b] focus on sales at the expense of whether or not one should eat maximum quantities of cake.

And, yes, people should take personal responsibilty for their diet, but it gets a little sketchy on the
[i]So what should I eat[/i] front. When food companies are allowed to tell us the [i]truth[/i] whilst chasing the $.

Sod it I'm going to have a beer or four. 😛

Hmm... what if I swap local organic free-range FairTrade chips for intensively farmed genetically-modified apples...

Sorry dude, but this is how you will turn out.

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[i]Sod it I'm going to have a beer or four.[/i]

I like beer, me. 😉
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And, yes, people should take personal responsibilty for their diet, but it gets a little sketchy on the
So what should I eat front. When food companies are allowed to tell us the truth whilst chasing the $.

[i]Anyone can do it. Or they could spend the time making excuses.[/i]

Splendid, I now refer you to the OP.

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We Lurv you XXXX
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And as for just eating less and moving more.... Well genius , if its that easy, why is excessive body weight even an issue ?.

Is it because people dont actually do this ?
they sit around too much , eat to much, blame food manufacturers, get upset at doctors who say they are overweight, claim that "normal" is actually overweight and generally dont actually do what they should to loose weight because they like food and dont want to exercise?
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Perhaps your claim is everyone obese is actually eating less than they use and it is some form of witchcraft/magic/voddo/violation of the laws of physics [ you will like that one] doing it? I know you have form on threads like this and some evangelical zeal for that video but there is no magic to the fact that to get fat you consume more than you use.
To loose weight you consume less than you use.
To get people to do this may be hard but this does not mean it is not true

No mention yet of the evil Corporations who advise to decieve and indecisive Gov Depts, lobbied to take it easy with the legislation....

Can't we just introduce a WWII style rationing system for fat people?

I know you have form on threads like this

Heh.

JY.

Hellooo again. I'll try to be nice 😀

[i]there is no magic to the fact that to get fat you consume more than you use.
To loose weight you consume less than you use. [/i]

I'm guessing that you're leaning on that first law of TD there. People have been telling the obese to eat less and move more, for while now. Obesity does not discriminate, it will take anyone it can. So, given the large number of people who are obese and have been given such advise, why do so many fail ?. Are they all bad people, or is it that theres a little more to it ?. If people were simple calorie machines, it would be soooo simple. Like only putting enough petrol in your car to travel 20 miles, when you wanted to travel, 20 miles.... Of course, compared to the human body, cars are simple machines.
But, anyway, thats the boilogical side of stuff and excessive body weight is big bucks for those who position themselves to gain by people who eat [i]too much[/i].

[i]took a while but there atlast. Definitely a factor I reckon. oh and picture 3, any politician or CEO getting their kid to eat something as a PR exercise should be hanged by their own entrails. [/i]

That was John Gummer feeding his daughter a beef burger to convince us all that Cows weren't mad...

When I was at school a long time ago there were 2 fat kids in my year of about 250 pupils. I can remember their names and what they looked like mainly because they stood out as being fat. Food was probably more unhealthy then, there was 'instant' time saving food and takeaways that are not much different today and a mars bar probably had the same amount of sugar in it but olive oil was available from the chemist to shift earwax and salad was lettuce and cucumber.
So I can't see how food is to blame, it's lazy people blaming something else for their inability to moderate their diet and exercise.
What was the percentage again? 32% of 11 year olds are overweight? They need to get off their fat arses.

They need to get off their fat arses.

You have a very good point there.

I'm guessing that you're leaning on that first law of TD there.

People have been telling the obese to eat less and move more, for while now.

Obesity does not discriminate, it will take anyone it can.

So, given the large number of people who are obese and have been given such advise, why do so many fail ?.

Are they all bad people,

or is it that theres a little more to it ?.

If people were simple calorie machines, it would be soooo simple. Like only putting enough petrol in your car to travel 20 miles, when you wanted to travel, 20 miles.... Of course, compared to the human body, cars are simple machines.

I know you dont agree and i cannot be bothered arguing with your evangelical zeal[ which is as rationally based] but if you gave me any person or people by simply controlling their diet and exercise i could make them fat or thin and so could they.

I agree other factors can exacerbate this but the fundamental cause of obesity is beyond doubt and the cure is simple to say and hard to do.

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Can't we just introduce a WWII style rationing system for fat people?
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Why don't you ask the fat people, see if they would like it. Can we do something similar in association with Paul Smith, for those who dress like scruffs?

I'm fat by the way. But not intentionally.

it's lazy people blaming something else for their inability to moderate their diet and exercise.

Well.. hmm.. if you consider for the sake of argument an average person with sheep-like qualities (not wishing to be disparaging, but there are elements of ovinity in most of us)..

a) We see people on telly going to the gym and getting all super fit, riding their bikes across the atlantic etc etc, and we are tending towards thinking that exercise is a big thing you have to do

b) Most of us have sufficient cars and money for fuel that we can just drive about wherever we please, most importantly this is considered THE NORM so any deviation from it is a special effort

c) There are simply tons more fun things to do inside than there used to be. Tons and tons. Let's face it, playstation games are bloody brilliant, as is the internet. And if you are honest, I bet an awful lot of you as kids in the 70s would've been all over these things if they existed. Because you are basically the same as kids today. So it's now the norm to spend an evening on a computer or playing GTA5 or whatever.

Don't forget the recent introduction of fructose syrups into our diet.
This seems to be almost as dangerous as tobacco if this is to be believed:
[url= http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/index.xml?section=topstories ]STUDY[/url]

[i]are you rejecting it then - that would be me and everyone else leaning on it then - have you re written it? can I see your working?[/i]

JY, anymore of that and you will be reported for trolling. If you think I have form, then you will know that I do not reject the laws of TD. On another thread, I said that eating less and moving more doesn't work and everyone misinterpreted that as me saying that the laws of TD aren't true.

So let me be clear. Eating less and moving more [b]does work[/b], but it doesn't.

So it's now the norm to spend an evening on a computer or playing GTA5 or whatever.

The thing is, when I was a kid it was the norm to spend a day playing ATV Simulator, Stunt Car Racer, Spy vs Spy, etc etc

But then we'd also play a bit of kerbie in the street, go build dens, create dams in the burn, play on tree swings, wander down to the park, walk to school every day etc etc

Stunt car racer was not as addictive as Call of Duty.

JY, anymore of that and you will be reported for trollng.

Isn't it a bit early for you to start throwing your toys out the pram, Solo?

So let me be clear. Eating less and moving more [b]does work[/b], but it doesn't.

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We were too poor for computer games. 🙁
I did have to saw logs up when I got home from school though, it was that or be cold. Sniff
Maybe central heating is to blame? You don't have to burn calories to stay warm. 🙄

I am absolutely convinced that fat people are fat because they eat too much, and thin people are thin because they eat less. I do not have any data to prove this. I am happy to be proved incorrect if someone can point me in the direction of the data.

anymore of that and you will be reported for trollng.

If you think I have form, then you will know that I do not reject the laws of TD.

On another thread, I said that eating less and moving more doesn't work and everyone misinterpreted that as me saying that the laws of TD aren't true

So let me be clear. Eating less and moving more does work, but it doesn't.

[i]Isn't it a bit early for you to start throwing your toys out the pram, Solo?[/i]

Well, as a S/G, your mission is to bait and try to get a [i]rise[/i] from anyone on here, you wish to. However, imo, a balanced view of JY's post would spot the antagonistic tone therein. Which either you are unable to spot, or you wish to overlook.
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I am amazed at the "[i]Its sooo simple, just eat less and move more[/i]" brigade. Just go on about, like, [b]Shit ![/b] who'd of guessed that was the answer ?, I must be so dumb.
And like, all that hormone stuff, well thats just [b]BS[/b].

If only, eh ?
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[i]thanks for clearing that up, It is now clear you think moving less does not work, but it does, but it doesnt.
THANKS [/i]

JY, unlike you, I am [u]trying[/u] to be clear without offending anyone. The evidence is out there, don't blame me.
There are a lot of people who are over weight yet who are very active.
Your advise is not helping them. What shall we do ?.

So after 5 pages what the consensus? Are fat people thick or clever?And if I eat and move will I lose weight or stay the same.

Also If I only shop at iceland and buy 5 frozen pizza's for a £1 and feed them to my kids tonight will my kids lose weight because they get loads of exercise playing xbox connect (it gets them to move so is clearly an excellent form of exercise)

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[i]I am absolutely convinced that fat people are fat because they eat too much, and thin people are thin because they eat less. I do not have any data to prove this. I am happy to be proved incorrect if someone can point me in the direction of the data. [/i]

Nope, I think you're pretty much on the money there. People who starve are generally thin. People who eat too much, gain weight according to the laws of thermo dynamics.

However, if I may ask a question... why does one person eat more than they need, while another eats too little, or just enough to maintain their BF ?. Is it a pre-meditated act of glutony by the fat person, or a wilfull act of going hungry by the thin person ?.

Well, as a S/G, your mission is to bait and try to get a rise from anyone on here, you wish to.

Special guy or not, I think you are akin to the most rabid of Apple/Android/MS/Sony etc fanboy when it comes to diet. So no, I am not trying to bait you, I am merely disagreeing with you. So stop giving yourself so much credit.

However, imo, a balanced view of JY's post would spot the antagonistic tone therein. Which either you are unable to spot, or you wish to overlook.

You seem to have a habit of being equally obtuse and patronising, yet are always first to call it on other people. Apparently it is ok, as long as you caveat your arguments with a winking emoticon.

You need to relax a bit more, mate*. 😉

*I'll assume you will get the #reference.

[i]or stay the same.[/i]

You can only stay the same IF, you are in perfect energy balance. How you achieve that every day, as even one mouthful of food could tip you over the edge. Is a feat I've yet to see. Although there are people who guess themselves to eating the exact amount of cals everyday. Perfectly. Apparently.
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[i]Also If I only shop at iceland and buy 5 frozen pizza's for a £1 and feed them to my kids tonight will my kids lose weight because they get loads of exercise playing xbox connect (it gets them to move so is clearly an excellent form of exercise) [/i] 😆

Thats it !, theres an entire industry out there willing to see you eat more only to need to burn it off, by going ot the gym, buying a bike, buying a games console, etc, etc.
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JY, unlike you, I am trying to be clear without offending anyone

There are a lot of people who are over weight yet who are very active.
Your advise is not helping them. What shall we do ?.

[i]I am not trying to bait you[/i]

[i]Isn't it a bit early for you to start throwing your toys out the pram, Solo?[/i]

I have a scoll bar.
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JamiePorter:
[i]I am absolutely convinced that fat people are fat because they eat too much, and thin people are thin because they eat less. I do not have any data to prove this. I am happy to be proved incorrect if someone can point me in the direction of the data.
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I referred you to the Princeton Uni study above. Next try searching MedLine / PubMed for other articles by the same author, and associations between fructose / HFCS and metabolism in Quertle.info

There's the daTA!

[i]get them to eat less/have an energy imbalance. [/i]

Bit lacking on detail there, imo. Can you be more specific, please ?.

[i]Are they all bad people,

[b]NO [/b]
or is it that theres a little more to it ?.
[b]NO[/b]
If people were simple calorie machines, it would be soooo simple. Like only putting enough petrol in your car to travel 20 miles, when you wanted to travel, 20 miles.... Of course, compared to the human body, cars are simple machines.

[b]And the point is - the more complex you are the less the laws of thermodyamics apply to you - can I see your working?[/b][/i]

Come on JY, try to be nice.
Oh, and perhaps you can calm down ?.

But then we'd also play a bit of kerbie in the street, go build dens, create dams in the burn, play on tree swings, wander down to the park, walk to school every day etc etc

Funnily enough, I can't remember anyone in my year being really fat and we stuffed our faces with pretty much anything we could get our hands on, much it fairly unhealthy and yet we weren't fat!

I can only conclude that exercise has a far greater effect on metabolism in the medium to long term than a simple calories in/calories expended equation but I'm also starting to believe the high-fructose corn syrup is partly responsible (how big a part is debatable due to other factors) for the obesity problem we are facing now.

we stuffed our faces with pretty much anything we could get our hands on, much it fairly unhealthy and yet we weren't fat!

I can only conclude that exercise has a far greater effect on metabolism

Or something specific in the food we eat is different to 30 years ago.

Woody.

I kinda reckon growing children will use more calories to sustain growth, so you claiming to eat loads, [u]when you were a growing chld[/u], yet none of your peers being really fat makes sense. It also ties in with the theory that people will eat more because they are growing, either vertically or horizontally and not the other way around.

@Solo

You were getting pissy with Junkyard and calling him a troll for disagreeing with you, hence my comment about pram related toy ejections. Nothing to do with trying to bait you.

I have a scoll bar.

Well done.

Another diet thread gone the same way as normal, can't even have a discussion about the changing attitudes to body shape in the western world without it descending into all this... again

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Now wasn't there a study recently that found that kids nowadays don't have significantly lower levels of activity compared to a generation or two ago? I'm sure I saw it on the Beeb. Can't find details anywhere...maybe I was imagining it?

Fructose-based-glitch.

to be fair it's easy to sort out

get rid of all the fat people? 😯

There are a lot of people who are over weight yet who are very active.

Yes there are a lot, as in the number may be a big number, in the same way that 1000 is a big number and 10 is not, BUT it is not a statistically significant proportion of the whole.

There are some* (and we can concede that the number is big) but it is NOT big compared to the overall number of overweight people.

You can't use minority cases as an explanation for the overall trend, or do you genuinely believe that [b]most[/b] people who are overweight are overweight due to a medical condition and not overeating/under exercising?

If that were the case then there would have to have been a massive shift in our biology/external biological influence over recent years to account for such a large change in population weight distribution, and it would not be limited to the so-called developed world.

General advice should focus on the general causes and trends, and specific problems addressed with the help of medical professionals who have the skills needed to diagnose and help appropriately.

[i]*I do not belittle these people in the slightest, it can only imagine at the difficulty they must face dealing with such a condition and have every sympathy with people who are trying to be healthy and face medical challenges[/i]