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you can expect someone will react to put you down quickly so as to reduce the number of people who turn around and get caught up in the mass hysteria.
What utter bollocks. You can see clearly in the video that this kind of behaviour was far more likely to incite violence than to control it.
out of interest to all the pro sack the copper lot . what would you have done in his shoes (and no i dont mean wee in them ) 😉
what would you have done in his shoes
Sorry- I can't imagine being a thug so can't really answer that
i dont mean being a thug, i mean if you were doing his job at that moment in time what do you think your actions would have been ?
I would have arrested her, not punched her in the face, then beaten her and finally legged it leaving my mates to face the potential riot.
adopted a non agressive posture
spoken to her, not at her
NOT slapped her round the face
etc
on the face of it , looks like the police officer has gone over the top, but none of us were at the scene and dont know what went on beforhand, or the attitude of the group.
police officers can make pre-emptive strikes against people if they feel they are going to be assaulted.
therfore, for arguments sake, the officer tells a woman to move back, she continues to move forward, he can , if he feels threatened, make a pre-emptive strike, I.e hit her in the face, should he feel that this level of force is proportionate to the threat level.He could have felt that she had a concealed weapon,she may have been part of an organised group bent on confrontation. On the other hand she could have been caught up in the crowd, and making her way home.
Im not saying this is the case with the featured officer, because i was not at the scene,
does anyone remember the incident in wigan a few months ago, where a soldier was 'asaulted by 3 officers'
it was wideley reported on T.V and the cctv images looked shocking, i saw that incident in real life, and the soldier has previously assaulted a female on the street, and been extremeley violent to officers, none of this was recorded on tape.
Im not defending the officer in the met, but im not hanging him either.
I would have stood there and watched her. If she attacked me I would have restrained her and arrested her.
easygirl
on the face of it , looks like the police officer has gone over the top, but none of us were at the scene and dont know what went on beforhand, or the attitude of the group.
police officers can make preemptive strikes against people if they feel they are goping to be assaulted.
therfore, for arguments sake, the officer tells a woman to move back, she continues to move forward, he can , if he feels hreatened, make a pre-emptive strike, I.e hit her in the face, should he feel that this level of force is proportionate to the threat level.
The attitude of the group is irrelevant. What went on beforehand is also irrelevant because it's obvious from the video the cop strikes the woman without justification. Unless you are trying to suggest that the woman assualts the police officer first and he ignores it, only to react to a verbal provocation shortly after?
Is striking someone in the face an appropriate response if you feel threatened by a bit of verbal? Is that what police are trained to do? Does that apply to members of the public who are getting verbal abuse from police? What are the guidelines regarding proportionate response?
Personally, I'duv ****ted anyone who came near me, and given them a good kicking.
But I don't have the requisite degree of control of my emotions and anger, needed to be a copper in such a tense and hostile situation.
Having been in situations like these, and much worse, I've seen how tensions can rise, and boil over. The crowd are angry, the coppers are wound up and scared, and it's a recipe for disaster.
The real failure, was by the police leaders, who employed aggressive tactics from the beginning. Not helped by the actions of a few mindless thugs. I'd like to see that same copper, without the uniform and protective stuff, baton etc, up against a bloke of his size. Would he be so brave then? Probbly not. Bullies usually aren't. His colleagues acted with restraint. He din't, and has proved not to be fit to do the job. Stick the nasty **** on the dole.
As for identification; I think there should be new legislation, whereby coppers at events like this must carry their id numbers at all times, and those numbers should be highly visible and easily recognisable. Not carrying personal id numbers is wrong, as it can lead to difficulty in identifying those coppers what transgress, and break the Law. There needs to be more accountability, on an individual level, and collectively.
Recently, there were some armed Babylonians running round me estate. I went down and questioned why they were running round with guns, when there were people with kids around. They were extremely rude tro me, and one thug had a go at me for being 'cocky'! I said 'listen, sonny, you're a public servant, and your job is to uphold the Law. If I ask you a question, you mind yer manners, and either respond politely, or just tell me that you can't discuss it. No need to give it, 'cos you've got a gun in your hand.'
The bloke was just a big bonehead violent thug; probbly hand-picked for the job. ****ing Neanderthal.
They buggered off, and I 'phoned the local station to report his behaviour. I got a 'phone call later, from a senior officer, to apologise for the thug's behaviour. The bloke told me that the thug's behaviour was unacceptable, and that he'd no right to talk to me the way he did.
I doubt owt was done to discipline him, though.
The Babylonians need to remember who they work for.
From what i can see the officer was makeing room for his fellow officers to deal with the troubble behind. ( weather thats was from he ketteling or not i cant say) So the press see this and all surge forward for the 1 milling pound photo for tomorrows news.
He orders them back. He then uses resonable force to move the lady back as shes not obaying a command from a police officer whos looking out for fellow officers.
Rather than backing off and giving space she steps up to the officer who has turned away partialy to move others back, he again moves her away this time with a back hand slap again to move her back. she again stepped up again and this time takes a blow to the leg to move her back.
The threat was not from the single womman moveing forward it was the press of bodys that may of crushed the officers on the floor dealing with the original problems, The sargent had to protect them so i find 3 blows used for that a fine and justifiable use of force to protect his fellow officers.
In that situation im afraid a cheary "im sorry old chap but would you mind just backing up a bit" does not cut it.
OMG
Not carrying personal id numbers is wrong, as it can lead to difficulty in identifying those coppers what transgress, and break the Law. There needs to be more accountability, on an individual level, and collectively.
So, you'll be fully in favour of carrying an ID card then, I assume?
It's a screwed up world if you can't back-hand a woman anymore FFS !! 🙄
lol rich. i was just curious as i dont know what i would have done. and ive spent the last almost 20 years in the army and now fire service and have had to deal with some right ****s.
not saying she was indeed a right **** either as the footage is too short to form an educated opinion on her really
i was just wondering really as a lot seem quick to try sack the copper , what sort of situations they themselves had been in to decide that they would be able to act properly under stress
ive been shot at, bricked, assulted , glassed , spat at and taunted/abused all whilst doing my job . oddly been shot at twice whilst in the fire service ;-( . ive also taken a batoning (if thats a word from the boys in blue . german police did it as i looked like the person they were looking for (ie short hair and english 😉 and the navy provo as they didnt like marines 😉
but i still couldnt say what id do in that situation as i wasnt there at that point in time. id be fairly sure i wouldnt do what he did but that is purely as it was a woman if it were a bloke then it may be a different story.
its hard to say what anyone in those situations would do unless they are in the thick of it . ive acted badly in some instances when the situation turned. only a few months ago i was ticked off for throwing bricks back at the group who were bricking us whilst we put out a fire but at the time it seemed the thing to too. all i was doing in reality was reloading their weapon ;-(
sorry to ramble but it just astounds me how people can form an instant opinion on things without seeing the whole picture and those that can do it having never been in a situation in any way like it
i'll stop waffling now, and yes he shouldnt have struck her from that little clip 😉 (but if hed have slapped her right to start with he wouldnt have needed the baton
igmc 😉
more excellent (and proportionate) police work @ camp for climate change:
http://london.indymedia.org.uk/videos/993
note the chants of 'this is not a riot'
more on the kettle:
http://london.indymedia.org.uk/videos/1055
Verbal abuse is difficult for a baton wielding armour clad policeman to take...personal traits take over and boom...flashpoint
My post was hypothetical....I don't agree/disagree with what the police officer did...why...because I WASN'T there...
Seems like all the 'pro lets hang the cop' brigade were there....how amazing a coincidence is that??
He then uses reasonable force to move the lady back as shes not obeying a command from a police officer who's looking out for fellow officers.
Did he bollocks! As she was not breaking any Law, she don't have to 'obey' the copper at all. The police are public servants, not the other way around.
CFH; I am not a public servant. Therefore, I have no need to carry ID. Having visible ID would make it easier to identify individual officers, and be beneficial in any legal cases concerning inappropriate use of police powers. And it might make the thugs think twice, if they know they can be easily identified. Not having ID is obstructive to Justice.
[i]I would have arrested her,[/i]
& possibly escalate the situation, its not a easy one to call in the heat of things.
[i]As for identification; I think there should be new legislation, whereby coppers at events like this must carry their id numbers at all times, and those numbers should be highly visible and easily recognisable. Not carrying personal id numbers is wrong, as it can lead to difficulty in identifying those coppers what transgress, and break the Law. There needs to be more accountability, on an individual level, and collectively. [/i]
I agree, I think the police locally were boosted by officers from other forces, so might not have had the same level of training/experience/confidence.
So these officers called from other districts, would they volunteer for this job and if so, I wonder how many saw this as a foreign [anything goes] holiday?
it might make the thugs think twice, if they know they can be easily identified. Not having ID is obstructive to Justice.
So, you'll be fully in favour of carrying an ID card then, I assume? 😉
micki was just wondering really as a lot seem quick to try sack the copper , what sort of situations they themselves had been in to decide that they would be able to act properly under stress
Speaking purely as a civilian, I've been in a not dissimilar situation to that on two occasions. Both occasions I managed to not strike anyone. Perhaps if I had the full backing of "the force" behind me I might have beaten people with impunity.
I've witnessed/been caught in numerous riots so I think I have a fair amount of context to weigh that up against.
I'm not someone charged with upholding Law and Order, as a Public Servant. 😉
Just as well, really.
I'd be like Jack Regan.
'Look, I've not had any sleep, and I'm not in the mood to muck about. Put yer trousers on, yer nicked!'
Mick (firestarter).....excellent excellent post! Was going to state exactly the issues that you raise!
Though Id hardly put what the FS has to deal with in the same vein as the police.....I know dribble stains on your pillow can be traumatising but come on 😆
lol brack im not just refering to the fs experience but also military ones and not saying they are owt like the police have to face , theirs is a thankless task i for one would not want to do
but merely giving examples of situations ive been in and still dont know what i would have done in that particular instance
😉
All the people I know recruited by the police were ex Halfords staff who were thick as $hit power hungry morans/control freaks.
Maybe we should do what the USA & Australia has and actually test people with qualifications such as degress instead of recruiting uneducated morans.
I used to respect the Police -I still do but I also think they're bunch of armed monkies.
No I know. As an ex soldier ( and ex Fireman...got bored), I really do think that a lot of people on this forum have led very fortunate but sheltered lives.
For them to hang draw and quarter an individual via video footage is just wrong.
I have not read every post but many of you don't realise that the cops have a right to use force - so long as it is proportionate. As for arresting her - if they arrest every person in this sort of situation then they will run out of cops - the cops will have been outnumbered. Two cops to every arrested person.
Just remember - a cop has the right to use force - they can grasp you, push you and hit you so long as it is proportionate to the situation. If someone moves towards a cop who tells them to back off and move away the cop can use force to ensure this is obeyed.
They can also use pain to coontrol people.
The arguments here should be about two things
The overall police tactics and was the force used proportionate.
lol zaskar i hope that was tongue in cheek 😉
In that situation im afraid a cheary "im sorry old chap but would you mind just backing up a bit" does not cut it.
Except that another officer basically did exactly that a minute later with seemingly successful results.
Good point, Zaskar; I was astounded to learn, a few years ago, that no academic qualifications are required to join the police. Shocking.
Mind you; ignorant, uneducated coppers are praps more easy to control, and will be less questioning about the orders given them.
hijack
brack i nearly went to iraq last year on a nice little earner but the brigade wanted me back on the new pension after my year out . which meant id have to do another 6 and a half years before i could go ;-( if you were that bored you should have moved to one of the leeds inner city centre stations its great fun 😉
hijack over 😉
And all this 'you don't know what it's like in that situation' stuff - well sorry, but I have had much bigger, more threatening people be much more aggressive than that woman was, and have managed to deal with the situation without slapping people or hitting them with a stick. And I am not supposed to be a professional trained in crowd control and behaviour management.
TandemJeremy
The arguments here should be about two things
The overall police tactics and [b]was the force used proportionate[/b].
It has been. It wasn't.
brack
I know. As an ex soldier, I really do think that a lot of people on this forum have led very fortunate but sheltered lives.For them to hang draw and quarter an individual via video footage is just wrong.
Some have, some haven't. And some don't feel the need to qualify their opinions by mentioning what careers they might have had.
You don't need to have been in the military to form an opinion on an unwarranted assault.
grumm - Member
And all this 'you don't know what it's like in that situation' stuff - well sorry, but I have had much bigger, more threatening people be much more aggressive than that woman was, and have managed to deal with the situation without slapping people or hitting them with a stick. And I am not supposed to be a professional trained in crowd control and behaviour management.
Seconded.
Oh but Im not the one with the opinion!!
Protesters aren't as tough as they used to be.
<ducks>
brack
Oh but Im not the one with the opinion!!
brackFor them to hang draw and quarter an individual via video footage is just wrong.
Now I think it's safe to assume that by hang, draw and quarter you mean, sack or prosecute? So I'm guessing your opinion is that the assault was justified or am I missing something?
I didn't think people get hung drawn and quartered anymore, or perhaps the met are introducing it as proportionate response to assaulting a police officer.
Have a look at the Met recruitment website...... it talks about "customer focus" and the competency based interview seems to have nothing to do with handling threatening/abusive people and more to do with "customer satisfaction". You also have to be credit checked to become a police officer. So really the people that will get the jobs are people living with parents, never had a credit card or loan and a bit of retail experience.... not exactly confidence inspiring
I think a thorough psychological check should be a rquirement for any aspiring police officer, so that anyone with violent (or cowardly) tendances could be removed from the recruitment process, and the credit check should be removed as it has naff all with someone's ability to do the job
and the credit check should be removed as it has naff all with someone's ability to do the job
I guess that has something to do with not wanting folks who are in deep debt & may be tempted to 'liberate' evidence
A credit check might reveal that you are poor, and therefore wanting the job to earn money, which as we all know is the wrong reason for becoming a cop. Being bullied or being a bully at school is the correct reason to join the force.
If you have no money, no qualifications and still want to beat people there's always the army.
out of interest mistergnar what were you doing to be caught up in numerous riots ?
mick (firestarter)
out of interest mistergnar what were you doing to be caught up in numerous riots ?
Usually standing outside a pub was enough. Like the time the RUC were called to break up a scuffle between roughly ten random teenagers who were scrapping outside a pub on a narrow cobbled street. The first landrover arrived and one of the youths stood infront of it. So the police officer drove over him crushing his pelvis and breaking both of his legs. Suddenly the situation changed from having ten or so troublemakers and a few hundred peaceful people leaving a pub to a few hundred angry rioters who were penned in by police.
Sometimes trying to go home, other times actually being at home and watching it unfold out my window.
ah it becomes much more clear 😉
The last video Yossarian posted is sickening.
Not one person can be seen striking back, they are all protesting peacefully and passively, only to be repeatedly struck with batons and the edge of shields.
🙁
RudeBoy - Member
Personally, I'duv ****ted anyone who came near me, and given them a good kicking.
Ever considered a career in the Police Force. You seem to have the right attitude.
what are people worried about, the Police are only battering potential terrorists 😐
Pretty sure they use these tactics just to put people off attending protests in the future.
"Be quiet and fall in line, your opinion counts for nothing."
Rich - MemberThe last video Yossarian posted is sickening.
Not one person can be seen striking back, they are all protesting peacefully and passively, only to be repeatedly struck with batons and the edge of shields.
I agree, it looks heavy handed.
Did you see the one woman in red who looks like she is spitting at one of the police (4:23) 😉
[i]In light of the G20 event Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson has invited Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Constabulary, Denis O'Connor, to conduct a review of related public order policing tactics.
Sir Paul said: "G20 was a complex policing operation managing the movement and protection of many heads of state across the capital while balancing the right to lawful protest and maintaining public order for many thousands of people.
"It is also the case that a number of complaints have been raised in relation to the tactic of containment and as to whether this achieves that balance. I want to be reassured that the use of this tactic remains appropriate and proportionate.
"Separately, I have already expressed my concern that the video footage of some police actions are clearly disturbing and should be thoroughly investigated. As well as the post-event investigation into those responsible for violence and disorder, I have also ensured that footage in police possession is reviewed to identify any other matters of individual police conduct that may warrant investigation.
"One matter that I also want to make clear is that uniformed police officers should be identifiable at all times by their shoulder identification numbers. The public has a right to be able to identify any uniformed officer whilst performing their duty. We must ensure this is always the case."[/i]
Looks like this kettling thing is going to be reviewed, among other issues.
I don't know much about it, other than what's been in the press, but I do have reservations about it.
@ sd: Now you were looking hard to find something you have to admit?!
Bet they wanted to do more than that after being treated how they were.
What starts as a simple peaceful protest could then instill hatred for the Police and their policies for life.
Not great customer relations is it?
He then uses reasonable force to move the lady back as shes not obeying a command from a police officer who's looking out for fellow officers.Did he bollocks! As she was not breaking any Law, she don't have to 'obey' the copper at all. The police are public servants, not the other way around.
ahhh what the hell your right why pay any attention to a police officer.
I remember when a bomb threat was called in at my sisters school and the police cordend off the area and told us to stay out, Should have just wandered back in while shouting abuse at them. Or that time when there are a multi car pile up on the M1 and the police slowed the trafic to a stop to let rescue workers work I should have just driven passed blairing my horn and throuwing more abuse. I broke no laws why pay any attention to them.
Thanks rudeboy you have opened my eyes to the world wow........
@ sd: Now you were looking hard to find something you have to admit?!
You are not getting me to admit to anything officer!
Saying that this clip shows a completely different view, I think they must have cycled off before it kicked off 😉
[url= http://london.indymedia.org.uk/videos/1004 ]Indymedia video clip G20[/url]
Nice vid, that shows how things can go when people aren't 'kettled' and baton charged. 🙂
bikerbaboon one obeys the police when their commands / sugestions are lawful or sensible as in the examples you give .One should challenge them when thier actions are clearly wrong or questionable .
Unfortuanatly too many people commenting on this protest belive they and we are slaves who owe the police unquestioning obedience and trust even when the tide of deliberate lies surrounding Ian Tomlinson are exposed one after the other. The lies(so far) 1, Tomlinson had no contact with police prior to his heart attack ,2 protestors rained bottles on police preventing them helping him, the video shows one plastic bottle thown at totaly unconcerned police 3 protestors stopped the ambulance getting through , video shows protestors part for the ambulance a wall of police block it and refuse to move.
Police tactics at Kingsnorth:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7943124.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7784301.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7918326.stm
yossarian
great video that proves the point,
most of these legitimate protests are hijacked by rent a mob muppetts whose only intention is to bait, assault and wind up the police, look at the meat heads in the background when the m.p is speaking, i bet their dad and brother are the same person
you're a copper aren't you easygirl? Your complete ignorance of the wider picture is both amusing and disappointing.
no, just cant believe that people only see one side of a story, open your eyes people.
there are people out there who make a full time occupation of police baiting, when the police strike back its not pretty, and some officers will probably get sacked, but please dont be so naive to think these are members of the public exercising their right to free speech and democracy.
They are violent career anarchists
easygirl
They are violent career anarchists
What's the pension plan like? I was going to join the police to beat people up but now it seems I have another option.
They are violent career anarchists
As there are violent thug policemen. What's your point caller ?
the point is , a lot of relevant, non violent events are hijacked and overshadowed by the said nob heads
pension not that good for anarchists
but you do get more than your fair share of beatings to compensate
easygirl
the point is , a lot of relevant, non violent events are hijacked and overshadowed by the said nob heads
Where they the same nob heads the police were shoving shields into the faces of? Didn't look like it. You're basing your opinion on one 5 second cutaway of two people with masks over their faces, not dissimilar to the masks the police at the g20 were wearing.
crankboy
Im not advocating blind obidiance, the Ian Tomlinson issues over the lies is a different matter.
The officer in this clip request for people to back away was not unresonable considering what was happening behind him and the need for space.
the point is , a lot of relevant, non violent events are hijacked and overshadowed by the said nob heads
I've lost track, you talking about the Police? as from the various videos they seem to fit that description.
yossarian,
you are beyond belief mate
accusing me of ignorance of the wider picture, when you are trying, convicting and sentencing a police officer of assault , your evidence being a 1 minute video taken by the press. That is a balanced view?.
as i said before , he may or may not be guilty, but think about the wider picture before showing your ignorance on an open forum. There are people in this country who follow protests on a full time basis to cause problems, they are not law abiding members of the public
but please dont be so naive to think these are members of the public exercising their right to free speech and democracy.
Watch the video of the climate camp in London being broken up - looks exactly like they are exercising their right to free speech and democracy to me, and being beaten for it.
the point is , a lot of relevant, non violent events are hijacked and overshadowed by the said nob heads
Generally because the media only focus on the few people who do cause trouble, who are often stirred up by unnecessarily aggressive policing.
ermmmm, cant remember if it was the police or protesters i was on about, only on here cos my knees hurting and ive nowt better to do
most of these legitimate protests are hijacked by rent a mob muppetts whose only intention is to bait, assault and wind up the police
dont be so naive to think these are members of the public exercising their right to free speech and democracy.
Are you quoting your boss verbatim there?
I suggest its YOU that needs to open your eyes. The suppression of legitimate demonstrations does not uphold our freedoms, it undermines them. Nob heads shouting stuff is NO excuse for unacceptable and disporportionate police violence against the general public.
May I remind you that you are a public servant? May i remind you that you are duty bound to protect my right to protest against anything i see fit to protest about without shoving your riot shield into my face because someone else is shouting rude words at your colleague?
I am ashamed of the police for the role they have played in recent times and I suspect that many are uncomfortable with what is now playing out in the public eye - are you?
everytime one of those work shy so called protesters gets a smack on the head it's better that tax money has not been wasted on just them, at least the copper is payed from the same pot as the scroungers. Perhaps we should start showing all protests and riots on live tv, then we could have betting. that would raise a bit more cash, tax and put it into the issue that is being protested about. Bigger the protest, more fights more cash for what ever. Then we could perhaps have professional protesters who would become superstar in the their chosen area. Like most footy fans we could all sit at home pontificating about it but knowing nothing and do nothing.
ive got it now.......
the police are thick stupid violent thugs, who dont care about anyone only them selves, and are hell bent on beating the living daylights out of anyone they come across, and dont forget thats not 1 police man, thats every single last scum bag pig in the country
and the protesters, all of them, every last one, are innocent grannys and mothers who are exercising their right to protest about the closure of their local post office.
Or trying to get home through the protest , only to be assaulted by above scumbags.
Think thats the general consensus
bikerbabbon; don't try turning that into something it's not. How can you equate the situations you mention, with one where police are quite clearly simply being aggressive and violent? They wanted people to move back, so they they could contain the crowd the way they had been ordered to. Orders which the police themselves are now questioning.
The police acted in a manner that impeded a legitimate public demonstration. They acted unlawfully on several occasions. We've seen the video proof.
Sorry, you can 'obey' some Neanderthal thug if you want; I'll exercise my right to freedom. Those demonstrators had a right to be there. The police had no right to try to move them on, or impede their progress.
Wonder what the pros and cons career wise for both sides of "rent a mob"?
Pay, uniform, nice pension, get to play with some interesting toys, being able to say your nicked for real
or
No pay, no pension, free time, loads of travelling
😉
yossarian,
read your previous post about not going out on the street helping a fellow human being who was in trouble because there were 3 beating up on him....
i would be there mate , helping him out while you quivered behind your lace curtains
ive got it now.......
the police are thick stupid violent thugs, who dont care about anyone only them selves, and are hell bent on beating the living daylights out of anyone they come across, and dont forget thats not 1 police man, thats every single last scum bag pig in the countryand the protesters, all of them, every last one, are innocent grannys and mothers who are exercising their right to protest about the closure of their local post office.
Or trying to get home through the protest , only to be assaulted by above scumbags.Think thats the general consensus
No, we're talking about one violent thug, who is filmed back handing a small lady across the face then stooping down to club her across the back of the legs.
By condoning his actions, it is you who are drawing a parallel between him and other officers.
I'd just give up on this one if I were you.
mister gnar, im basing my opinions on attending dozens of events over the years, and seeing normal law abiding citizens, who the police protect have their protest hijacked by yobs, sorry mate thats the real world, not some furry, tree hugging, world where everything is black and white.
easygirl - i didn't know he was getting a kicking, only realised afterwards when a passerby raised the alarm - hence my pondering. Nice to see you have done your homework - shows I've touched a nerve. 😉
They are violent career anarchists
What, all of them? Every single demonstrator there was a 'violent career anarchist'?
Is your knee really giving you gip? You seem somewhat angry about something...
...are you a copper?
trail monkey,
please read back, i am not condoning or defending this action,
please read my posts fully.
WE DONT KNOW THE FULL STORY,
or do you take the word of the press as gospel, is all you read in the news true.
All im saying is wait and see. it looks awful on video, it always does when this happens, but in reality, it can sometimes be a different story when he full facts are known, and we dont know the full facts, we dont evenm know a quarter of the facts, thats all i am saying , try to be balanced in your views
easygirl - Member
mister gnar, im basing my opinions on attending dozens of events over the years, and seeing normal law abiding citizens, who the police protect have their protest hijacked by yobs, sorry mate thats the real world, not some furry, tree hugging, world where everything is black and white.
Ah that's alright then, kick the shit out of all of them. Enjoy it while your at it.
easygirl
WE DONT KNOW THE FULL STORY,
or do you take the word of the press as gospel, is all you read in the news true.
All im saying is wait and see. it looks awful on video, it always does when this happens, but in reality, it can sometimes be a different story when he full facts are known, and we dont know the full facts, we dont evenm know a quarter of the facts, thats all i am saying , try to be balanced in your views
Feel free to speculate.....try and justify it. Imagine you're the cop trying to justify it to his superiors (which he'll probably never have to do)
[i]"There was a small woman shouting at me BLAN BLANK BLANK.....and so I beat her around the legs"[/i]
Care to try and fill in the blanks in an even remotely plausible justifiable way.
ohhh, got to go theres a 12 year old at the front of our house, hes dropped a crisp packet, going to give him a thrashing, little shit