you're a copper aren't you easygirl? Your complete ignorance of the wider picture is both amusing and disappointing.
no, just cant believe that people only see one side of a story, open your eyes people.
there are people out there who make a full time occupation of police baiting, when the police strike back its not pretty, and some officers will probably get sacked, but please dont be so naive to think these are members of the public exercising their right to free speech and democracy.
They are violent career anarchists
easygirl
They are violent career anarchists
What's the pension plan like? I was going to join the police to beat people up but now it seems I have another option.
They are violent career anarchists
As there are violent thug policemen. What's your point caller ?
the point is , a lot of relevant, non violent events are hijacked and overshadowed by the said nob heads
pension not that good for anarchists
but you do get more than your fair share of beatings to compensate
easygirl
the point is , a lot of relevant, non violent events are hijacked and overshadowed by the said nob heads
Where they the same nob heads the police were shoving shields into the faces of? Didn't look like it. You're basing your opinion on one 5 second cutaway of two people with masks over their faces, not dissimilar to the masks the police at the g20 were wearing.
crankboy
Im not advocating blind obidiance, the Ian Tomlinson issues over the lies is a different matter.
The officer in this clip request for people to back away was not unresonable considering what was happening behind him and the need for space.
the point is , a lot of relevant, non violent events are hijacked and overshadowed by the said nob heads
I've lost track, you talking about the Police? as from the various videos they seem to fit that description.
yossarian,
you are beyond belief mate
accusing me of ignorance of the wider picture, when you are trying, convicting and sentencing a police officer of assault , your evidence being a 1 minute video taken by the press. That is a balanced view?.
as i said before , he may or may not be guilty, but think about the wider picture before showing your ignorance on an open forum. There are people in this country who follow protests on a full time basis to cause problems, they are not law abiding members of the public
but please dont be so naive to think these are members of the public exercising their right to free speech and democracy.
Watch the video of the climate camp in London being broken up - looks exactly like they are exercising their right to free speech and democracy to me, and being beaten for it.
the point is , a lot of relevant, non violent events are hijacked and overshadowed by the said nob heads
Generally because the media only focus on the few people who do cause trouble, who are often stirred up by unnecessarily aggressive policing.
ermmmm, cant remember if it was the police or protesters i was on about, only on here cos my knees hurting and ive nowt better to do
most of these legitimate protests are hijacked by rent a mob muppetts whose only intention is to bait, assault and wind up the police
dont be so naive to think these are members of the public exercising their right to free speech and democracy.
Are you quoting your boss verbatim there?
I suggest its YOU that needs to open your eyes. The suppression of legitimate demonstrations does not uphold our freedoms, it undermines them. Nob heads shouting stuff is NO excuse for unacceptable and disporportionate police violence against the general public.
May I remind you that you are a public servant? May i remind you that you are duty bound to protect my right to protest against anything i see fit to protest about without shoving your riot shield into my face because someone else is shouting rude words at your colleague?
I am ashamed of the police for the role they have played in recent times and I suspect that many are uncomfortable with what is now playing out in the public eye - are you?
everytime one of those work shy so called protesters gets a smack on the head it's better that tax money has not been wasted on just them, at least the copper is payed from the same pot as the scroungers. Perhaps we should start showing all protests and riots on live tv, then we could have betting. that would raise a bit more cash, tax and put it into the issue that is being protested about. Bigger the protest, more fights more cash for what ever. Then we could perhaps have professional protesters who would become superstar in the their chosen area. Like most footy fans we could all sit at home pontificating about it but knowing nothing and do nothing.
ive got it now.......
the police are thick stupid violent thugs, who dont care about anyone only them selves, and are hell bent on beating the living daylights out of anyone they come across, and dont forget thats not 1 police man, thats every single last scum bag pig in the country
and the protesters, all of them, every last one, are innocent grannys and mothers who are exercising their right to protest about the closure of their local post office.
Or trying to get home through the protest , only to be assaulted by above scumbags.
Think thats the general consensus
bikerbabbon; don't try turning that into something it's not. How can you equate the situations you mention, with one where police are quite clearly simply being aggressive and violent? They wanted people to move back, so they they could contain the crowd the way they had been ordered to. Orders which the police themselves are now questioning.
The police acted in a manner that impeded a legitimate public demonstration. They acted unlawfully on several occasions. We've seen the video proof.
Sorry, you can 'obey' some Neanderthal thug if you want; I'll exercise my right to freedom. Those demonstrators had a right to be there. The police had no right to try to move them on, or impede their progress.
Wonder what the pros and cons career wise for both sides of "rent a mob"?
Pay, uniform, nice pension, get to play with some interesting toys, being able to say your nicked for real
or
No pay, no pension, free time, loads of travelling
😉
yossarian,
read your previous post about not going out on the street helping a fellow human being who was in trouble because there were 3 beating up on him....
i would be there mate , helping him out while you quivered behind your lace curtains
ive got it now.......
the police are thick stupid violent thugs, who dont care about anyone only them selves, and are hell bent on beating the living daylights out of anyone they come across, and dont forget thats not 1 police man, thats every single last scum bag pig in the countryand the protesters, all of them, every last one, are innocent grannys and mothers who are exercising their right to protest about the closure of their local post office.
Or trying to get home through the protest , only to be assaulted by above scumbags.Think thats the general consensus
No, we're talking about one violent thug, who is filmed back handing a small lady across the face then stooping down to club her across the back of the legs.
By condoning his actions, it is you who are drawing a parallel between him and other officers.
I'd just give up on this one if I were you.
mister gnar, im basing my opinions on attending dozens of events over the years, and seeing normal law abiding citizens, who the police protect have their protest hijacked by yobs, sorry mate thats the real world, not some furry, tree hugging, world where everything is black and white.
easygirl - i didn't know he was getting a kicking, only realised afterwards when a passerby raised the alarm - hence my pondering. Nice to see you have done your homework - shows I've touched a nerve. 😉
They are violent career anarchists
What, all of them? Every single demonstrator there was a 'violent career anarchist'?
Is your knee really giving you gip? You seem somewhat angry about something...
...are you a copper?
trail monkey,
please read back, i am not condoning or defending this action,
please read my posts fully.
WE DONT KNOW THE FULL STORY,
or do you take the word of the press as gospel, is all you read in the news true.
All im saying is wait and see. it looks awful on video, it always does when this happens, but in reality, it can sometimes be a different story when he full facts are known, and we dont know the full facts, we dont evenm know a quarter of the facts, thats all i am saying , try to be balanced in your views
easygirl - Member
mister gnar, im basing my opinions on attending dozens of events over the years, and seeing normal law abiding citizens, who the police protect have their protest hijacked by yobs, sorry mate thats the real world, not some furry, tree hugging, world where everything is black and white.
Ah that's alright then, kick the shit out of all of them. Enjoy it while your at it.
easygirl
WE DONT KNOW THE FULL STORY,
or do you take the word of the press as gospel, is all you read in the news true.
All im saying is wait and see. it looks awful on video, it always does when this happens, but in reality, it can sometimes be a different story when he full facts are known, and we dont know the full facts, we dont evenm know a quarter of the facts, thats all i am saying , try to be balanced in your views
Feel free to speculate.....try and justify it. Imagine you're the cop trying to justify it to his superiors (which he'll probably never have to do)
[i]"There was a small woman shouting at me BLAN BLANK BLANK.....and so I beat her around the legs"[/i]
Care to try and fill in the blanks in an even remotely plausible justifiable way.
ohhh, got to go theres a 12 year old at the front of our house, hes dropped a crisp packet, going to give him a thrashing, little shit
OK, enlighten me. What possible evidence can be presented that will cause that incident to be viewed as being anything other than assault ?
bye!
make sure you take your numbers off first!
mister gnar,
why would i kick the shit out of them all, are you dyslexic
thats not what i said, christ its annoying on this forum, its like the wording gets jumbled to how you want to read it.
never mind, wont bother myself with this, whatever i say will be wrong, ill leave you to a unfounded, one sided lynching
good luck
bye!
make sure you take your numbers off first!
Please try and justify it.....in some way. Your arguement is that there might be more to it. Something before or after the video which ads context or justification.
I can't imagine how that can possibly be the case.
I hardly think it's totally irrational to form an opinion based on that video. Had it been 3 seconds of her simply getting struck, one might imagine some sort of context to justify - it could be anything ie the woman strikes the police officer first but as it stands I cant see what you could possibly waiting to hear.
You've also not addressed any questions about training or what constitutes a proportionate response and whether that applies both ways.
All you've said is there might be more to it....like what?
trail monkey,
ill try again
im NOT saying this is what happened, and im not condoning any unlawful action,
BUT
a scenario similar to the met one would be
Officer confronted by small female shouting and swearing
officer has intelligence re this group that they are intent on disrupting demo, some tactics used by such groups, are getting close to officers, spraying them with cs, stealing cuffs, putting tie wraps on wrists, etc etc
Female does not move back, moves closer again, officer cant get to baton, and decides that threat meand a pre-emptive strike is warrantied to repel the female, he strikes her in the face.
After the strike she continues to move forward, this signals that she is intent on either assaulting offiecr, disrupting demo,officer then draws baton and strikes female to legs, which is a recognised low level strike area.
an arest in this instance would not be appropriate because of the lack of resources and overwhelming numbers opf protesters
OR
the officer could have lost in totally and cracked an innocent woman acrpss the face in the heat of the moment for no reason
scenario 1- officer should be fully protected from prosecution
Scenario 2- officer should be disciplined/charged with assault
reasonable force could be a push in the chest
or hitting somone over the head with a baton resulting in their death.
it all depends what the situation a police officer is facing
if he /she was surrounded by 6 drunken thugs alone and they were armed with clubs and knives, a proportinate response might be to hit somone over the head with a baton resulting in death, it might be talk your way out of it. Thats the problem, its subjective, and every officer will be different, some will be confident street fighters, some will be scared shitless, and panic, some officers can talk their way out of most situatiions, some cant.
What is this 'full protection from prosecution'? Surely the CPS look at the file and consider the public benefit and the likelihood of the charges sticking? Is there some secret procedure I'm not aware of?
easygirl, I've been the victim of police brutality, too many times to believe any of that carp.
officer has intelligence
LOL!
Well thank you, now we can debate again without it seeming like we are just typing YES-NO-YES. Regardless, we know that the officer will use scenario 1 to justify his actions regardless of the truth.
From the video we can see no cable ties, hand cuffs or cs spray. So the police officers initial slap is unwarranted. The protester has just been assaulted and is understandably more aggravated. The police officer escalates the level of force he uses to deal with a situation he created.
The police are in an unassailable position here. If you disobey them you pose a threat. If you pose a threat you can be beaten with impunity. All it takes is the police officers suspicion to merit a beating. But I suppose they are so highly skilled and highly trained we should take their word.
it all depends what the situation a police officer is facing
if he /she was surrounded by 6 drunken thugs alone and they were armed with clubs and knives, a proportinate response might be to hit somone over the head with a baton resulting in death, it might be talk your way out of it. Thats the problem, its subjective, and every officer will be different, some will be confident street fighters, some will be scared shitless, and panic, some officers can talk their way out of most situatiions, some cant.
So it could be pot luck, depending on the individual police officer you encounter whether you live or die? Whatever happened to training? Perhaps the woman was lucky to be beaten by that large male officer - had she encountered a less confident officer she might have been bludgeoned to death for the crime of not obeying due to the police officers fear of the possibility of having concealed weapons, due to the fact the officer was less than confident in her ability to deal with a possible attack.
It's a good thing you lot don't carry guns - some innocent people might get hurt.
Surely if you can't deal with a small unarmed woman in a non violent way then you simply shouldn't be a police officer?
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tell you what, i thought you may be reasonable, so ill sign off with a
**** off
****ing idiots
That's not very nice behaviour, for a police constable... 🙁
I dunno. Standards have slipped. In my day, a copper would give a cheeky young scamp a clip round the ear, and no-one would bat an eyelid.
at least you made me laugh, im sat here pissing myself at the sheer stupidity of the argument, you twist everything to suit your view
you should be police officers
At least you didnt beat me. I thought I was reasonable by the way - I believe if you dont have the training or personality to cope you shouldnt be in the job. I do believe the officer will justify his actions as described and I believe that you/they are in a win win situation when challenged.
You might think differently when you've seen teams of police using brush shafts to clear the barrels of their overheating plastic bullet guns so they can shoot people in the back as they run away or indeed innocent bystanders.
I hope easygirl is not ever in a crowd-control situation. He/she can't even handle an internet forum discussion, without resorting to foul abusive language. God help anyone who get's in their way, at a legitimate political protest... 😯
if i could find out where you livec i would beat you!
wouldent really, im traffic warden, not a police officer, colour blind couldent get in, ill clamp your bike if i find it 😆
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Lovely Rita, meter maid...
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