Njee20 ... surely you are now on a wind up?
I thought you knew your stuff... but are you honestly telling me with a "modicum" of fitness an Ironman can be completed?
Cut off was 16hrs - he needed a half decent bike to make the time as his swim and run were slower still.
There is an often proffered adage by triathlon elite that they couldn't do what the slower age groupers do. There is one thing racing for 8 or 9 hours but to have to keep going for the full 16 or 17 is mentally taxing. And continental races are hot - I think it was upper 30's on the run and for most of the bike. And the swim was non wetsuit because of the temperature which for slower swimmers is a distinct disadvantage.
Just post on one of his Facebook posts - 'looks like there was something up with the timing in your second lap - it says here you beat all the pros and averaged 45km/h!'
Simple and doesn't sound bitchy.
I think njee means a fit person who trained for it would be able to finish it well under 18 hours or within the cutoff despite not having targeted training. Fair play to the guy for doing his Pig-ironman, but perhaps being picked up by the broom wagon would have been the wake up call he needed to realise what training really involves?
I know someone who trained for 2 years to do an Ironman with the goal of finishing under 10 hours. There'd be blood if he were ribbed by a gloating plodder.
If IM is not tough enough and you fancy a proper challenge check out the [url= http://www.inferno.ch/?langId=2 ]Inferno Triathlon[/url]
Nice little 3.1km swim
followed by a tiny little 97km Road bike with 2145m of ascent
Followed by a nice short 30km mountain bike with 1180m of ascent
Followed by a 25km fell 'run' with 2175m of ascent
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You get 14hrs to complete. Last year 14 Brits entered - 2 finished!
I think rhats an achievement just to finish it. Have a quiet word.
Hes hardly a pie eater. He must have put some training in
I have a uni friend who's been talking about doing the Arch to Arc after finding gigathons were a bit too easy for her.
Run to the Channel from Marble Arch, swim across that, then I'll let you guess the mode of transport to Paris 😯
It would be cruel to publicly 'out' him as a cheat
Cruel of him to cheat to beat honest people who've trained better, cruel of him to deceive his friends and family and soak up their adulation.
Absolutely blow the whistle. There's no excuse for doign that, none at all. You say he's not a bad lad - how the hell could he act like that if he isn't?
Full accountability is the only way. He should not be allowed to get away with being such an utter arsehole, imo. If he wasn't crowing about it then I'd maybe not say anything, but honestly.
Rule #42
// A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.If it’s preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run, it is not called a bike race, it is called duathlon or a triathlon. Neither of which is a bike race. Also keep in mind that one should only swim in order to prevent drowning, and should only run if being chased. And even then, one should only run fast enough to prevent capture.
http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#42
Hope this clarifies.
I have a uni friend who's been talking about doing the Arch to Arc after finding gigathons were a bit too easy for her.Run to the Channel from Marble Arch, swim across that, then I'll let you guess the mode of transport to Paris
Arch to Arc- The bit I don't understand is the channel swim. I've got a friend on standby for her channel swim as I type - you get a one or 2 week slot and wait for a weather window to coincide with the right tide before you get the green light to go. Unless you get smoothish water and set off exactly at the right point of the tide it's an impossible feat no matter who you are. Do these Arch to Arcers do the run and hang around (a lot) for the swim or get the nod when to set off for the run and hope it takes exactly how long they thought it would? Crazy stuff!
Congratulate him in front of everyone else and as someone else said, say loudly how you'd found his results and that he'd outperformed Emma Pooley as well as his team-mates and you'd like to know what his secret it.
That way you're outing him but also congratulating him at the same time.
As others have said though, the facade won't last and he sounds like he needs bringing down a peg or 2.
Can't you just e mail(anonymously if you wish) the organisers/those responsible for collating the timings and final positions and ask them to double check the segment in question?
I think njee means a fit person who trained for it would be able to finish it well under 18 hours or within the cutoff despite not having targeted training. Fair play to the guy for doing his Pig-ironman, but perhaps being picked up by the broom wagon would have been the wake up call he needed to realise what training really involves?
That's just what I meant, CY's worded it far more eloquently! 16 hours is less than I thought I must say, but I was talking about being of 'reasonable' fitness without really targeted training. Ie a 7.5 hour bike should be pretty reasonable, that's less than 15mph. It sounds like the person the OP is talking about does not meet this criteria.
Run to the Channel from Marble Arch, swim across that, then I'll let you guess the mode of transport to Paris
joe le taxi?
TGV?
shopper bicycle with a string of onions draped over a stripey jersey?
I can't take the suspense!
shopper bicycle with a string of onions draped over a stripey jersey?
Nearly 😉
Thinking about it, this reminds me of something my old chap used to say. Ex London copper and all that. Basically he always used to say you don't get punsihed for breaking the law, you get punsihed for getting caught!
Guys bang to rights. Grass him up
Unicycle?
I have a uni friend who's been talking about doing the Arch to Arc after finding gigathons were a bit too easy for her.
I bet shes too tired when it comes to bedtime action.
Politely tell him that the splits look a little silly so that he has a chance to tell the organisers to sort them out. That way he would be able to avoid the potential scenario of being called a cheat. The splits would be sorted, he can rest happy with a new Cervelo (if it makes a difference at that level!?!) and you can also rest easy without the nagging little devil on your shoulder.
IME, these anomalies get sorted out pretty quickly anyway.
[i]When he goes through the next timing point he has apparently travelled the last 90km 10mins faster than all the pros in the field at a pace a lot of club roadies could not maintain for a flat 25mile TT and this was hilly terrain.[/i]
why not just suggest to him that the two of you go and ride the 90km section again to celebrate his completing the event. Mention you're impressed with his time and could do with the training... be funny to hear what he has to say...
I've done a few events, and I have to say, while you're in the midst of an event, it can be hard to have any idea of how far you've gone, so it could have been an honest mistake, took a wrong turning somewhere where there was a split between lap 1 and lap 2 or something.
From the guy's results*, that swim time is shocking, and certainly doesn't point towards someone who is going to get almost 19mph average in the bike (or complete the race for that matter), and that big gap in the splits with a massive boost of speed during it does suggest he missed out some of the course. Surprised there isn't a 2 hour or so cut-off time for the swim anyway, what is the chance that someone doing an ironman can't swim 4k in 1.5 hours?
*given the information you've posted, it is pretty obvious who you're talking about
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*given the information you've posted, it is pretty obvious who you're talking about
Nice bit of detective work 😉
I'd be obliged if you didn't name here though so he could be outed by a google search for all and eternity!
Ironman switzerland per chance?
Yes pretty clear, so can't imagine the result standing for long. Save him the embarrassment with a quiet word in his ear.
Has he won any prizes?
Has he won money?
Is it a race?
Word in ear. Don't 'out' someone. It was his first entry, hes hardly podium material just annoying. Annoying doesn't require flaming.
Im was Zurich was event Pooley raced in ....seems like we can all oust him ....
but you wouldn't be that mean would you 😉 👿....seems like we can all oust him ....
Annoying doesn't require flaming.
Cheating then bragging about the results and taking loads of praise and respect DEFINITELY requires flaming, and lots of it.
I wouldn't out him. Leave it up to him to decide. It might put him off the sport completely to pick on him.
Many moons ago at SITS I had a team mate who was easily the weakest rider in the team, but put in an astonishing night lap right up with the quickest of the event. His excuse was that he was somehow inspired on his second of two laps. We all just rubbed our chins. Luckily we forgot to register in the vet team category as we would have made the podium and then we would wonder about what to do about it.
I have no idea why he did it or how he got his timing so wrong.
Cheating then bragging about the results and taking loads of praise and respect DEFINITELY requires flaming, and lots of it.
On the basis that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, it may just be that he got lost in the moment (or was leaning so hard on his chinstrap he wasn't aware he went off route). Word in ear first and given him the opportunity to set reocrd straight with organisers.
@jumble why lie about something like that to a teammate? Would have thought there was zero chance a weak rider can set a night lap time up with the quickest on a daytime lap. Inspired or not.
Cheating then bragging about the results and taking loads of praise and respect DEFINITELY requires flaming, and lots of it.
No, that's just for people who can't overtake
As someone who worked pretty hard for a mediocre bike split I'd be pretty upset at having someone else get a free ride even for a poor bike split.
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[url= http://connect.garmin.com/player/351066776 ]My bike data[/url]
Also, with a 2:23 swim, he should have been allocated a DNF by not making the swim cut-off time.
Ignoring that, he 100% wouldn't have made the 16 hours without cheating, so should be brought down a peg or 2 for sure.
Cheers, Rich
Actually, slowest swim time I can find in the results is 2:26, so they were clearly being a bit generous with the cut-off times.
Having said that, I can only find a few folk who were slower than him, so I can't quite understand how he was 1927th on the swim leg, surely he should have been closer to 2395th 😕
Cheers, Rich
Is there another chapter to come?
Has he been rumbled yet?
No he's racing a Ironman UK this weekend and cheating his way around ....
Munqe-chick - MemberNo he's racing a Ironman UK this weekend and cheating his way around ....
I'm embarrassed to say I fell for this and checked to see whether our man was taking part........and whether he had a short-cut over Rivi!
Matt
PMSL that's brilliant!!! I have no idea but I wondered what the update was ...
So was the lying, cheating scumbucket publicly outed, hung by his earlobes, and subsequently appeared on Oprah/Lorraine to admit he cheated but blamed it on his competitive nature?
Or did he explain how it was a genuine mistake? Or that some protester had protestingly turned a direction sign to point the other way, that a few competitors had got misdirected before the problem was noticed, and they were all officially allowed the shortcut?
I set one of the fastest run times in Embrun one year. Or at least that's what people started telling me when I finished. I told them my real run time and they seemed "intrigued". I'd also officially done a lousy bike time. I don't know who they'd been timing for my split times but it wasn't me.
Madame won a Winter triathlon after her main rival was disqualified for cheating. Fortunately there were enough men between them to say they hadn't been overtaken by her rival and there were ski tracks cutting off a part of the course where she did the overtaking.
Madame had herself disqualified from another Winter triathlon having been sent the wrong way at a junction. Lots of people were waved straight on rather than being sent around a loop but she was the only one to go to the organisers and tell them.
Sooo..... did anything come of this in the end? Am intrigued!
I keep thinking about this too especially as it's Ironman WAles this weekend so he has every opportunity to redeem himself and stop being a cheat!
Come on OP enlighten us!
I was pressganged into a county swimming meet by my school because they were short of people and I seemed to be a relatively strong swimmer.
Them: Can you do the Individual medley?
Me: Probably, not really done much butterfly, but 'll give it a go if you want me too.
Speaking to the guys I was up against, they were asking my what my PB was. Erm... Didn't quite feel like asking what order the strokes were. I figured I'd get a bad start (I clearly wasn't going to win!) and have a look at what the guy next to me was doing when I came up.
I saw his left arm, assumed he was doing front crawl, so set off doing front crawl. I had plenty of notice to work out what strokes followed, as I was quickly left behind. Last stroke - front crawl! Pfff...
I finished a length behind to more cheers and applause than the winner. And best of all, because I was a late replacement, someone else's name was read out as being disqualified for messing the lengths up!
