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beating someone with a baton whilst on the ground who is not resisting or a threat is neither.
Wah wah wah, boo, ****ing hoo!
Fact is, its a 'king sight more effective at deterring people from rioting and looting than the existing criminal justice system!
TJ - the left has failed, the namby pamby apologist non-judgementalism has failed, some of us have said throughout that it would
Time to crack some heads together and restore order!
TJ, I'm not a Police Officer nor can I profess to know exactly what its like however it seems to be a very physical job with alot of risks and these officers were probably hungry, knackered, pissed off and trying to stop and regain control. What we can't see is probably what happened- the baton was what was used and it could have been to his legs.
A few blows says to the others 'they mean business bruda's lets just get out of here/sod this'.
Or would you prefer flats set onfire and innocents burned to death when it escalates?
Personally I'd rather see thugs alittle bruised but learn that authority is on the streets.
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I do love this concept of summary street justice that plenty of people seem to be advocating. While I was travelling home last night on the ring road of our city a group of working class youth in sportswear were crossing the road as the lights were changing. An expensive car decided to speed up and aimed at the youth. This car was seriously close to running over some of these kids, they had to jump out of the way of this speeding car. Is this the attitude we should endorse? You're in a group of over 5 people, dressed in sportswear and therefore you deserve my wrath cos you're all scum! (Note - there has been no trouble in my city)
I've sympathy for people who demonstrate peacefully and heavy handed policing has no place here.
As soon as you start throwing bricks/rocks/bottles then setting fire to peoples homes you cross a very serious line. Then its force to halt risk to peoples lives.
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Diana Dors, eh?
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The... Management.
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live by the sword die by the sword (for the record that's the cheesiest thing I've ever posted - but I feel its necessary in these dark times)
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There you go
http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/you-can-all-relax-now-the-casuals-are-gonna-defend-us
TJ, why do you persist in using the term youth? That's one of those 'we don't know the facts' thingies... according to another thread the first looter to be convicted was 31...
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v8 - they look like youths to me in the vid could be small men i suppose, could be children rare to see a group of grown men riding around on bikes in hoodies like that.
It is am assumptiontho
i have tried to keep out of these riot threads............i know the kind of replies i would get from all the soft lefty shytes (teej, elf and others) would make me want to argue more.
so i only have a little bit to say.
well done to the manc's old bill.............that is the correct way to deal with thieving, spineless yobs. 8)
they look like youths to me in the vid could be small men i suppose
The average height of the full grown scumbag here in Manchester is only about 5'5".
Binners - is this some form of tourettes manifested through the posting of images? What is your real life equivalent behaviour? Are you making a point or are you just trying to get some attention?
TJ, So is almost everything that's been said on this thread...
No one here is in possession of any fact relating to that video.
It could be a police over reaction to kids riding their bikes or it could be youths riding bikes they've just stolen after putting the front in of a local cycle shop.
From the video it would appear that the helicopter was tracking them plus the fact they left the bicycles behind would lean towards the later.
If that is the case then it's a job well done. They might decide to stop in tonight rather than get another beating.
I suppose it is a form of random word-association tourettes triggered by the usual suspects beating each other with metaphorical sticks. I thought it might enliven proceedings abit for everyone else. You can join in if you like......
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Can I just say (about the above pic)..
I 'would' 8)
Whether they're kids or not isn't relevant, either it's wrong or it's not. Doesn't suddenly become OK for a policeman to beat up an adult.
Northernstar - check out the news, these thugs need to be off our streets.
Yeah, that must be why the police exercised their power to arrest them and take them off the streets eh. Oh.
gravitysucks - MemberHow do you know the man that got of the bike didn't shout "come on then you pig scum, I've got a knife"?
Well, for one thing I don't see he had enough time to say all that. And if he had, they wouldn't have just knocked him about then left him, they'd have searched him for the knife. And you'd [i]hope[/i], arrest him for threatening a police officer with a knife. And even if he'd shouted all that, it's [i]still[/i] not the right response.
neninja - MemberNo one here is in possession of any fact relating to that video.
It could be a police over reaction to kids riding their bikes or it could be youths riding bikes they've just stolen after putting the front in of a local cycle shop.
It wouldn't be the correct response to either situation, so, what does it matter? Just another smokescreen.
Druidh's on the real crux of it- is it OK for the police to beat people up instead of arresting them. Whether they're criminals or not, whether they're kids or adults, whether they're lippy or armed or black. When does it become OK for the police to stop enforcing the law? When the cells are full? When it's a busy night? When the paperwork takes too long? When the little scrote deserves it?
well done to the manc's old bill.............that is the correct way to deal with thieving, spineless yobs
but its the wrong way to deal with kids out for a bike ride, I suspect that's not what they are, but its why we expect only "appropriate" force to be used.
neninja - MemberNo one here is in possession of any fact relating to that video.
Yes we are - we can see what is happening. Beating with a baton a person who is lying on the ground is not and can never be reasonable use of force. we can also see the police do not restrain them so he clearly is not considered a danger.
Can I just say (about the above pic)..I 'would'
looks like it could be a man!
but its the wrong way to deal with kids out for a bike ride
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Could we power the national grid with handwringing?
Beating with a baton a person who is lying on the ground is not and can never be reasonable use of force.
Of course it can, if it stops them from getting up and fighting, or running away, makes them let go ofthe brick/knife/broken bottle etc that they may be holding... It may or may not be in this case, we don't actually know, do we?
Beating with a baton a person who is lying on the ground
To be fair to the copper, he wasn't on the ground to start off with.
I lost all sympathy for anyone out late at night running around causing trouble when I saw peoples businesses and homes being lit up around the country.
Would you be as sympathetic and caring if youths smashed into your house and were dousing your car in petrol?
Lovely being able to sit at your PC in a warm room casting your liberal views. When it gets hot though you'll soon change your tune.
I used to live in the Northern Quarter. If I lived there now I'd want Police Snipers shooting people nevermind giving them a ticking off.
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i dont know any facts about the events before or after the video so i feel i'm in as stronger a position as anyone else to comment.
well done binners x
TJ - the left has failed, the namby pamby apologist non-judgementalism has failed, some of us have said throughout that it would
What world do you live in?
I'd love to know where they get the money from to buy all the petrol they are using! oh yeah, thats right - JSA and robbing!
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Stop pedalling your liberal Agenda to me Binners
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I suggest we all get tooled up go out this evening and severely beat a teanager, preferably one that is wearing a hooded top. Luckily I have one of those at home so I shall be beating him in the garden as it's less effort.
The police are indeed dammed if thay do and dammed if they don't but in the simplest terms they are entrusted to keep the peace and bring criminals before the law and so should be held to a much higher standard of behaviour than other people.
In this instance irrespective of what he did that kid didn't look like the kicking was required. Those two burly coppers could have restrained him in a less brutal way and I think we all know that to be true. However policemen are just people and I think we saw a bit of frustration being vented there, a real shame.
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Or maybe they have to send a message out/get ontop of the situation?
Lets not forget Manchester has ALOT of problems/estates and gang crime/criminality.
They need to get onto this asap before it spirals. A few idiots with split lips is a tiny price for people in Chorlton to keep taking their socially acceptable recreational drugs and telling people how good we should be. 😆
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assumption) those were kids in the video
observation) those kids got up and walked away - after being hit by adults with batons, and kicked.
flawed conclusion - with hint of troll) they weren't hit or kicked very hard, that is not a video of a 'beating', my girlfriend hits me harder than that when we're playing 'yellow car'.
personal assessment) the police were a bit naughty, but their behaviour is way down the list of things that i'm cross about right now.
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