[Closed] losing a belly!

Also, I have met quite a few people who are somewhat overweight rather than obese, and decide to get thin by hitting the gym. They got fitter, stronger and felt better, but didn't lose weight. It's fairly common from what I hear.

Pretty much my body's response to increased exercise. I do need to "diet" to loose weight. Exercise alone stimulates appetitie and I nealry always gain weight. Will be fitter, stronger, trimmer etc, but will be heavier.

Have been in the gym this year (less riding) - face and waist thinner, but not really lost much weight (half stone)

What does amaze me is the amount of time people spend in the gym - but without expending effort...

Either that, or I'm the only one exercising to the point of can't walk / breathe / talk... Is it undiginified to be soaked in sweat at the gym? Is that not the idea?

All the gym girlies spend hours in there and don't seem to break a sweat. Many of the blokes as well - pedalling away at cadence 60-80, but resistance 3-5

The numbers used for calories burned for various exercises etc. on myfitnesspal seem to pretty much correlate with the weight loss I'm seeing
ie for every 3500 calories in credit, I'm losing around a lb

When I first started logging everything I [like most I would think] under estimated what I was taking in
I now know roughly where I am each day and also the wider picture

My food diary from yesterday - there were 1856 added calories, accrued from exercise
I could have probably done with eating a bit more but I wasn't hungry

[img] [/img]

i think i'd die if i ate that ammount. by Friday.

OP: Are you doing any kind of resistance training? If we ate the same calories every year after the age of 40 or so, we would put on a couple of pounds a year in fat! Resistance traing stops your muscles depleting, keeping your metabolism where it should be.

Jota180 - whats your height, weight, age and how much exercise are you doing if you don't mind me asking?

Then we might reflect on how useful the advise of running a calorie deficit is

Works for me, might not work for you... unlucky

jota180, I wouldn't be able to crawl from my bed to the fridge on that!

Jota180 - whats your height, weight, age and how much exercise are you doing if you don't mind me asking?

From another thread ....... I'm 6' BTW

53 - currently 85kg [recently down from 89.5]

Monday - 5 mile run/jog 9minute miles, 20 mile road ride 16mph
Tuesday - 5 mile run/jog 9minute miles, 20 mile road ride 16mph
Wednesday - 5 mile run/jog 9minute miles, 20 mile road ride 16mph
Thursday - 5 mile run/jog 9minute miles, 20 mile road ride 16mph
Friday - 5 mile run/jog 9minute miles, 20 mile road ride 16mph
Saturday - 60 mile road ride 16mph
Sunday - 30 mile road ride 16mph

All the runs are pre-breakfast, all the rides are pre lunch

Solo - humour me... how is your diet working at helping you to become as lean as you'd like to be?

Call me stupid and disagree with me all you like, but you're struggling to achieve your goals, right?

Exactly what I was thinking TSY.

Whats your body fat percentage Solo 🙂

Careful Skywalker... you'll get lambasted because you exercise too much... because you don't fit with his Paleo principles... because you're stupid etc etc.

Surely life is too short to diet and completely stop yourself eating things you like? I like food and if I had to overly restrict myself then whats the point?

I'm slowly loosing weight, not that I ever was that over weight, but for me the things that have made the difference are:

1. Doing more exercise (odd really isnt it that its worked?!?) Running is better for beer belly loss than biking.

2. Cutting out cakes and chocolates that are always at work.

3. Cutting down on alcohol. I've not actually done this on purpose, but as I have been exercising more I have been missing it less, some weeks I dont even drink now.

4. Trying not to eat main meals after 8pm.

5. Instead of eating biscuits/chocolate etc when getting the nibbles, eating fruit instead.

5. Eating a little bit of everything ie still having MCDonalds when I want one.

Diets are proven not to work.

Oh and if you want really quick methods of weight loss I can recommend a good dose of Pneumonia, or a good few bouts of D&V

1. Doing more exercise (odd really isnt it that its worked?!?) Running is better for beer belly loss than biking.

Running is more intense, ie you burn more calories doing it, it doesn't make it better though. The more intense the exercise, the more likely you are to lose lean body mass as well as fat.

Diets are proven not to work.

You're right, diets don't work, changing your lifestyle does, that means eating less then your TDEE and exercising.

Its fine eating all the things you like that are of no nutritional value, but its healthier not to and replacing it with nutritionally dense foods.

Surely life is too short to diet and completely stop yourself eating things you like? I like food and if I had to overly restrict myself then whats the point?

I agree, in my case I'm sacrificing a month of cake to drop a stone, after that, I'll be going easy on it

Surely life is too short to diet and completely stop yourself eating things you like?

You could just as well say life's to short not to go after your goals. In my case, that would be being a fast racer.

You're right, diets don't work, changing your lifestyle does

Unsustainable crash diets are proven not to work. But the word 'diet' could mean anything in reality. Not eating (or going easy on) fast carbs wouldn't be considered a diet for instance, just good advice.

Yeah good point.

[i]Solo - humour me... how is your diet working at helping you to become as lean as you'd like to be?

Call me stupid and disagree with me all you like, but you're struggling to achieve your goals, right?
[/i]

I'm getting on very well thanks.
And I do so with a lot less time exercising
So whos the fool ?.
😉

[i]Exactly what I was thinking TSY.

Whats your body fat percentage Solo
[/i]
Beats thinking about calories and answering my question.
Of course, you know you're wrong.
But since when is that a crime ?.

Anyway.
TSY, according to SW, you're Dumb...
😉

[i]That's because a lot of people are under the impression that if they exercise they can eat as much as they want, which is pretty dumb.[/i]

[i]because you don't fit with his Paleo principles[/i]
You and this Paleo thing.
Again, taking missing the point to new levels.

"I agree, in my case I'm sacrificing a month of cake to drop a stone, after that, I'll be going easy on it"

But surely thats not going to work? Just cut down on cake and still enjoy it and take 2 months to loose the weight. If you cut out cake for a month, I reckon you will find it hard not to eat the same amount as before and put your stone back on.

"You could just as well say life's to short not to go after your goals. In my case, that would be being a fast racer."

Thats different though isnt it, to become a fast racer you need to alter diet and in many ways become unhealthy, but healthy for racing a bike quickly.

I'm getting on very well thanks.

Getting on well enough not to tell us your BF% 😆

And I do so with a lot less time exercising

Since whens that a good thing?

Beats thinking about calories and answering my question.
Of course, you know you're wrong.
But since when is that a crime ?.

Wrong about what exactly?

Solo - you silly (paleo) sausage...

When have I ever said people can eat as much as they want?

If someone enjoys exercising... why are they a fool?

Why are you so reluctant to share with me your thoughts on Paleo? I'll ask you again... what in your opinion is the essential text on the Paleo diet? I'll order it now, I'm interested.

Glad to hear that you've shifted your stubborn stomach fat 🙂

But surely thats not going to work? Just cut down on cake and still enjoy it and take 2 months to loose the weight. If you cut out cake for a month, I reckon you will find it hard not to eat the same amount as before and put your stone back on.

Well, it's either that or buy another suit 🙂

It'll work
I've always been very good at maintaining my weight, I fell over this time as I spent the Winter in Lanzarote doing not much more than eating and drinking

[i]Getting on well enough not to tell us your BF%[/i]
So how do I offer you an accurate figure ?.
I'd ESTIMATE that I'm around the 13 percent mark.

[i]Since whens that a good thing?[/i]
Eerrrr. Since I have time for other things.
Like living, having a life rather than being an ignorant gym rat, counting calories.
😀

[i]Wrong about what exactly? [/i]
As you know.
I asked you about Calories from Protein and Carbohydrates.
You avoided this question.
We know why.
May I laugh now ?.
😆

[i]Solo - you silly (paleo) sausage...[/i]
😆
I see your mission.
Its doomed to failure, something you'll be familiar with.
You are barking up the wrong tree.
But at least you are consistent.
😉

[i]When have I ever said people can eat as much as they want[/i]
Trollin at its best.
🙂

So how do I offer you an accurate figure ?

If you don't have any body fat calipers use an online calculator, they are accurate enough, better than guessing anyway.

Eerrrr. Since I have time for other things.
Like living, having a life rather than being an ignorant gym rat, counting calories.

I enjoy exercising, learning about nutrition, and being as healthy as possible and I'm ignorant! 😆

I asked you about Calories from Protein and Carbohydrates.
You avoided this question.

What do you want to know exactly?

The question must have been so important I forgot to answer it.

LOL - so you won't offer advice on the paleo diet?

I'm not sure I'll ever understand why you appear to dislike people that enjoy exercise? Not everyone considers it a chore.

Solo - I would say you were trolling us now, but you seem to care a little too much and have obviously felt hurt by the discussions on here. Again, I'm sorry about that.

Also, I have met quite a few people who are somewhat overweight rather than obese, and decide to get thin by hitting the gym. They got fitter, stronger and felt better, but didn't lose weight. It's fairly common from what I hear.

If I went to the gym looking like this:

[img] [/img]

and ended up like this:

[img] [/img]

I would regard it as a result, no matter what happened to my weight.

Muscle is more dense than fat so if people start putting on muscle, their weight will go up.

[i]If you don't have any body fat calipers use an online calculator, they are accurate enough, better than guessing anyway. [/i]

I used that US Navy calculator that we all had a crack at a few months ago.
It reckoned I was 9 percent.
Good enough for you ?.
8)

[i]What do you want to know exactly?
The question must have been so important I forgot to answer it. [/i]
😆
Nothing stopped you going back to find it..... 😉
Then it was repeated with no answer......

[i] learning about nutrition[/i]
I suggest you continue with the utmost urgency.
😀

[i]I'm not sure I'll ever understand why you appear to dislike people that enjoy exercise? Not everyone considers it a chore.[/i]
If there is a big-hitter equivalent for being wrong.
Then please consider yourself as granted a special place in the patheon of types who are very, very wrong.
😆
Its an achievement of sorts.
😆

Thats different though isnt it, to become a fast racer you need to alter diet and in many ways become unhealthy, but healthy for racing a bike quickly

Well I will most likely fall short of the point where I need to become unhealthy. I suspect that my body fat will level out at a point beyond which I would have to do unhealthy things to myself to get it any lower. At that level, I would be pretty quick I reckon. Maybe I'll pursue it further, but I don't want to become unhealthy. I'll just take up track racing instead where I don't have to be ultra skinny 🙂

Solo - TBH with you mate, I don't have a clue what your point is.

So your BF% was 9% a few months ago when you had a crack at it, and its now 13% roughly.

Your doing well....

I'm getting on very well thanks.
And I do so with a lot less time exercising
So whos the fool ?.

i might be wrong, but doesn't TSY have different goals to you so comparing your exercise level to his is redundant and to call him a fool, well a little offensive....

yeti exercises cos he loves it, he doesnt count calories, and well... when it comes down to it he was able to enter the trans province and come 11th alongside the worldwide pro's without any training for the event. if his exercise started impacting on his body image, physical/mental health in a negative way then yeah he would be a fool, but the only time i've seen him injured was when he tried a gap drop messing around with jedi and landed short 😆

Oooo.

Theres and edit.

[i]Solo - I would say you were trolling us now, but you seem to care a little too much and have obviously felt hurt by the discussions on here. Again, I'm sorry about that.[/i]

Telling people that they are hurt.
Doesn't make it so.
However, me telling you, that you are wrong about that.
Is indesputable.
But as only you can....
Carry on.
😆

I'm still interested to see you and SW sort out the exercising loads allows you to eat what you please.
A habit for which you have become well known on this ere forum.
You do this.
SW thinks its the actions of someone who is [i]Dumb[/i]
😀

Which is it ladies ?.

If there is a big-hitter equivalent for being wrong.
Then please consider yourself as granted a special place in the patheon of types who are very, very wrong.

Which bit is so very, very wrong? You're one of the most complicated posters on here... I don't find it at all surprising that I don't understand you?

Telling people that they are hurt.
Doesn't make it so.
However, me telling you, that you are wrong about that.
Is indesputable.
But as only you can....

If I'm wrong, then you obviously just dislike me for another reason? I don't dislike you, I find you curious. Why do you persist with trying to be offensive if you're not scorned. Is this still about SITS... you seemed to get very annoyed that I never organised it?

Oh, and I do eat exactly what I please. 🙂

[i]So your BF% was 9% a few months ago when you had a crack at it, and its now 13% roughly.

Your doing well....
[/i]
😆

You are very amusing.
The 13 percent figure was an estimate.
I wrote the word estimate in upper case for you.

[i]I'd ESTIMATE that I'm around the 13 percent mark.[/i]

Its up there ^^^^ higher up on this page.
So while you have tried to make it look as if I've gone from 9 percent to 13 percent.
You have totally miss read this thread.
I'm surprized your surpervisor has left you in front of the keyboard.

SW.
You have deliberately and consistently avoided my Qs.
miss read my posts.
You're not too bright are you ?.
Think I'll have to ignore you now.
Its your own fault
8)

[i]philconsequence - Member [/i]

Oh lordy.
Now both of the B/E Bros are here.
😆

I'm still interested to see you and SW sort out the exercising loads allows you to eat what you please.
A habit for which you have become well known on this ere forum.

I guess that would depend on what pleases you
Years back when I used to train hard, I had to force my self to eat more than pleased me, just to maintain weight.
So - if what pleases you is eating pig like quantities, you stand a fair chance of putting weight on
Normal eating patterns probably wouldn't though

when it comes down to it he was able to enter the trans province and come 11th alongside the worldwide pro's without any training for the event.

Congrats on that by the way.

LOL @ Solo... Phil - in your professional opinion...

Strictly it was 11 amongst the non-pros. I'm still beating myself up for not running a chainguide... that was foolish.

do we have an opinion on Spelt flour, if I can just distract you long enough from measuring your dicks... 🙄

honestly, get together, play soggy biscuit (or whatever it is you play), which ever wins...wins, ok?

edit: Jota...you fatty 😉 😆

what does B/E mean solo?

Bell End! We should probably get it removed. I'd consider it more offensive that 'winker'

Am I the only one who doesn't know what the **** Solo is arguing about?

Does he even have a valid point?

i asked solo, not you. dont make me come and intimidate you with my muscles, i can do 1 pull up without stopping for a rest now 8)

How on earth do you measure your body fat online?

[i]I'd consider it more offensive that 'winker' [/i]

Thats not what you posted earlier.
You've just promoted yourself to coq du jour.
😆 😆

[i]How on earth do you measure your body fay online[/i]

You don't, accurately.

But that hasn't stopped SW making a complete ass of himself.
coming on here.
Telling the OP to count calories as the end all be all.
While also ignoring my Qs, while I have tried to answer his accurately and faithfully.

so solo, what does B/E stand for when you type it on here referring to myself?

please answer my question "accurately and faithfully" as you expect others to do so when you ask them questions.

skywalker, out of interest, how old are you?

How on earth do you measure your body fat online?

Very easily and quite accurately.

Work out your lean body mass (involves lots of measuring) and subtract that from your total weight, leaving your BF%.

Alternatively buy some skin fold calipers off Ebay for £3.

Its not as accurate as skin fold calipers, but a lot more accurate than guessing like Solo does.

What has my age got to do with anything?

But that hasn't stopped SW making a complete ass of himself.
coming on here.
Telling the OP to count calories as the end all be all.
While also ignoring my Qs, while I have tried to answer his accurately and faithfully.

I've made an ass of myself.

Ok....

Tell me what your point is, you don't seem to have one.

What has my age got to do with anything?

The reason I ask is that age has a pretty major affect on body composition. Very often younger people are blase as they are still on the way up, as it were.

[i]please answer my question[/i]
😆

Come on TSY, tell us about the skin fold calipers and measuring BF.

[img] [/img]

😆

You need help Solo, I actually think you have lost the plot.

Don't tell me, skin fold calipers aren't an accurate way to measure BF.

i'm going to eat a boiled egg and think about whatever it is i'm meant to have done to upset solo, i'm a very nuaghty boy....

*is open to offers of punishment*

*COUGH TAZZY COUGH*

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Solo, you look like an endomorph.

Are you short by any chance, it seems you have small man syndrome.

Being short and fat must suck.

Mmmm - I also think the age question is relevant...

[i]The Southern Yeti - Member
If I bump this will Solo see it and tell me whether I'm allowed milk after exercise on the iDiet?
[/i]

[i]The Southern Yeti - Member
Well done Molly... what pace?
Also, can you answer my milk question?
Hmmm... I think we need Solo's in depth analysis...

Solo I promise to read it all... no matter how lenghty the post or how little it looks like a poem.
[/i]
😉
No, I'm not bothered.
But this is just the tip of the iceberg of an ass you've been.
Trying to gee me up.
Proud of that ?.
Wonder why people might call you a B/E ?...

Theres more, Phil this time:
[i]i'm still scared to admit i have the odd sandwich, biscuit and chocolate bar incase you come round my house and beat me to death with a hard-bound copy of the iSolo diet[/i]

[i]The Southern Yeti - Member
I have some of those scales....... 17-18% fat.....
Professional with callipers <14%.
[/i]

[i]The Southern Yeti - Member
Someone said they missed this topic so I thought I'd start it up again.

I had my bodyfat measured with calipers the other day and [b]I'm disputing the results because it said 18%.[/b] They only took one set of pinches which is why I'm dismissing it... that and I'm skinny as hell.

If it's right though then I've got about 5kg to lose...
[/i]

You see ?.
The B/E Bros.
They're soooo funny.

[i]iDave - Member
it takes about 300 uses of skin fold calipers before someone is proficient.
[/i]

EDIT:

😀

You need to calm down Skywalker. Your posts are now getting out of order.

Solo

Seriously

Step away from the Internet

Seriously

[i]Solo

Seriously

Step away from the Internet

Seriously
[/i]

I knew it.
One smiley too far.

😆

Theres more, Phil this time:
i'm still scared to admit i have the odd sandwich, biscuit and chocolate bar incase you come round my house and beat me to death with a hard-bound copy of the iSolo diet

wow, for that you're calling me a bell end.

hmmm i think this has all got a bit out of hand really. can you children not learn to play nice together?

it takes about 300 uses of skin fold calipers before someone is proficient.

So taking 3 measurements from each part and averaging them is less accurate than guessing.

Ok...

You seem to do a lot of guessing.

You need to calm down Skywalker. Your posts are now getting out of order.

Who appointed you referee?

I've been nothing but nice to Solo and all he has done is thrown abuse at everyone.

He shouldn't dish it out if he can't take some back.

Reading over this thread, TSY and Skywalker are coming across like quite the pair of internet bullies.

[i]wow, for that you're calling me a bell end. [/i]

What ?, you want me to list all your [i]comedy Material[/i].
😯

Solo, I apologise sincerely if you're read into my posts as being purposely offensive towards you, they've never been intended to upset you.

being called a bell end feels a little disproportionate to myself inferring that you're a little obsessed with nutritional science, especially as you regularly infer that TSY is obsessed with exercise.

but i dont expect an apology as it appears you're calling me a bell end for a reason, and i can only assume its because you feel i've gone out of my way to be nasty to you.. so i think i understand, i'm trying to anyway.

No, I'm not bothered.

Clearly.

EDIT: I would still like to know about the milk thing... you have some knowledge. I ask a question, you call me a bell-end. Well done.

Reading over this thread, TSY and Skywalker are coming across like quite the pair of internet bullies.

Strange, what you call bulling I call defending myself.

Solo has been nothing but offensive, I wasn't arguing with him in the first place, just giving the OP some advice (or anyone else struggling to lose weight)

Wish I hadn't asked now! 🙂

Phil.

Please read the posts.

[i]No, I'm not bothered.[/i]
🙂
( friendly smiley inserted )

However, if I've pointed out a facet of your online behaviour that you might now re-consider.
Then its not all bad.

Perhaps contrary to popular belief, I do not enjoy threads that go bad.
But I won't take abuse.
I started out asking questions, seeing if consensus could be reached.

The sadest thing is.
So long as these threads turn out this way.
The Lurkers who really [i]know[/i] there stuff and could probably educate people like me, on this subject.
Just stand to sea and pass well clear.

[i]Wish I hadn't asked now![/i]

Plus 1

🙂

Sorry... you think someone saying your posts look like poems... is abuse??

Can you please tell me what the definitive Paleo text is?

[i]But this is just the tip of the iceberg[/i]

Anyway.
[i]Can you please tell me what the definitive Paleo text is[/i]

TSY.
If I was a follower of the Paleolithic diet.
If I knew d1ck about it.
I'd help you.
Cos no matter how many times you have taken the piss out of me.
I've got to forgive you.
Otherwise.
How can I ever hope to be forgiven.

Yeti are you trying to make a point with that? Why would there be a definitive text, and why would Solo know if there were?

However, if I've pointed out a facet of your online behaviour that you might now re-consider.
Then its not all bad.

i'm going to be completely honest and admit i wont change my online behaviour, i use this forum to avoid my job where i have to be overly sensitive and super nice to people... if finding out who 'gets' my style of posting on this forum involves being called a bell end by someone then that's what needs to happen. Its important i look after my own well-being instead of constantly adjusting my approach for fear of possibly doing something wrong in the eyes of someone i've never met.

on serious threads i will be serious, on silly threads i will be silly, on political, religious, parenting, helmet and nuclear power threads i wont post at all. i'll stick to the silly ones and the ones i know my friends will post on, if i spot a psychiatric type thread and i feel i can help then i will try to. but if this forum ever becomes a place where i feel i have to be super sensible all the time then its pointless me coming on here 🙂

as i said, i'm sorry if i offended you, it was never intended that way. but.. yeah, i'm not going to change for nobody apart from myself and the people i love

So what diet are you following then? I thought you knew about Paleo diet?

I want to read about it Mol, from a book. Solo used to talk about it alot. It's only now he's said he knows nothing about it.

Skywalker, age?

i'm not going to change for nobody

Ahem change for anybody

IGMC 🙂

Congratulations Yeti, I think you've scored a point there. Good job.

Not what I was hoping for... I wanted to learn about the Paleo diet and see if I could adapt any of it's principles into my own.

FWIW the Dukan diet is a pile of shit.

[i]Yeti are you trying to make a point with that? Why would there be a definitive text, and why would Solo know if there were? [/i]

Why didn't I think of that approach.

Molgrips.
Sometimes you are a Star.
😀

[i]So what diet are you following then? I thought you knew about Paleo diet? [/i]
If its all the same to you, I'd prefer not to wear a bullseye anymore than I already do.

[i]as i said, i'm sorry if i offended you, it was never intended that way.[/i]
Phil.
How else do I take being compared to, being as intelligent as, a kangaroo ?.

You're young.
You have a lot to learn.
If you have a job that causes you to behave this way.
Then if I were you.
I'd re-consider my career.
You can be funny, without taking the piss out of people.
Of course.
That requires making a choice.

That Dukan diet sounds even worse than the cabbage diet, which was a pile of cabbage.