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I'm not saying the Tories are desperate but....
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1577342061698859018?t=bHxmBGv2tdzt1oudPmdLow&s=09
That's desperation.
And if putin does not explode tactical nuclear weapon?
Why not answer the question? Ah, you can't
(no spelling mistake).
Personally I still want Truss to stay as PM for as long as possible but only in her new and improved impotent form, hamstrung by her own MP's.
Maximum damage to her party, minimum to the country.👍
I’m not saying the Tories are desperate but….
They are currently desperate to prove to the public they actually care for the people, and not just big business.
This was exemplified by Douglas Ross(leader of the Scottish tories) today on camera saying that they should supporting the most vulnerable in our society.
😯
My immediate thought was he was having a complete mental breakdown on camera.
"they choose to top up their salaries with tax credits"
Employers choose to top up people's salaries with tax credits, with help from their mates the government. Employees want to be paid a living wage rather than working full time in a proper job and still being dependent on benefits. She's so nearly right but she's decided to be 100% wrong and attack the victims instead of the culprits, because she's ****ing awful even by the standards of modern tories
Click for full Danny Dyer rant
https://twitter.com/dickidot09/status/1577371555012689926?s=61&t=rJAxr4rhsP4AvDjGZIU-Tw
Anyone else on groundhog day, I used to open the Johnson thread hoping to hear he had gone, doing the same on this thread now.
Regarding the wages / benefits issue, I don't blame claimants or employers really. It's down to government policy. They let the basic cost of living outstrip the value of labour for basic jobs. This is driven primarily by the housing market which successive governments seem to think ever increasing prices is a good thing. Second is the cost of basics, in this case caused by general fiscal ineptitude and BREXIT, BREXIT, BREXIT. Third issue is energy prices, by utterly failing to get us away from market driven fossil fuels and not moving to home grown renewables a long time ago.
All three things were foreseeable and avoidable and at least 2, house prices and fuel costs were obvious 20 years ago.
The government has also made the choice to address this by meagre top ups with benefits rather than setting a realistic minimum wage. Trouble though with increasing the minimum wage is as it increases it encompasses more roles traditionally paid higher so it's not just about increasing the base wages but means increasing many more up the scale to keep a distinction between jobs that require more skill / commitment.
Anyway bottom line is governments have failed to control cost of living which now means decent basic wages arent justified by the economic output they generate. If the government did significantly increase the minimum wage there would be a lot of jobs that would just go.
It's all getting a bit Sainsbury's Deli counter. Take a ticket and wait to be called for your turn at being the Tory leader.
When Danny Dyer is the voice of reason, bloody hell....
Truss has spectacularly exceeded my expectations
Tories reputation trashed and collapsed in the polls
Shown such lack of political nous she has effecivly split the party
Shown such weakness that getting policies enacted is going to be very difficult
Is everyone looking forward to Lizzies big speech?
It sounds like far from trying to unify the splits in the party and calm 'the market', she's going to double down and further inflame things by slowly mansplaining, in that most patronising tone imaginable of hers, how the problem is that we all simply don't understand her genius yet.
The pre-trotted out line is that all this chaos is *adopts best Fatcha voice*... a 'price worth paying' for economic growth in the long term
I'm quite looking forward to watching the Torys remaining polling figures going through the floor in real time
Cleverclogs Cleverley is presently on Radio 4 'rolling the pitch' saying that everything is actually hunky dory and it is all going as exactly as planned
LA LA LAAAAAA... WE'RE NOT LISTENING!!!!!!
Hiya,
Get an armchair to watch this one out. All the lies and BS the Conservatives have sprouted is coming home to roost. We watching the unfolding civil war I think. I read yesterday that JRM own constituents are not happy about the shale gas plan near us, we are neighbouring his constituency in North Somerset. I notice Lame Fox is rather quiet these days, probably hoping no one will remember he is a conservative too..
The longer they stay in the worst it will get for them, who knows some may cross the floor to retain their jobs others will support a VONC.
JeZ
Is everyone looking forward to Lizzies big speech?
Yes, I am also particularly looking forward to seeing this thread going into mass hyperventilation during and immediately after her speech.
Especially your contributions binners. Have you got all your material ready?
I await you eagerly leaping to her defence comrade 😀
You're gonna be disappointed mate. Although I don't think I will be.
Statler and Waldorf are in da house!
I reckon there are a few dozen Statlers and Waldorfs on this thread. Looking forward to the entertainment value after Truss's speech.
I reckon she knows it will be over analysed so itll be short and soundbite friendly
The bigger headache for them will be rustling up enough people to fill the seats
some great pictures out of this conf already
Do we reckon even all of her cabinet will be there?
Anyone else on groundhog day, I used to open the Johnson thread hoping to hear he had gone, doing the same on this thread now.
With Johnson I had the hope things might get better though. I'm totally despondant now. I can't see a general election being likely, nor can I see it being a quick and easy process if the tories do decide to replace Truss. Moreover, I can't see anyone better than Truss taking up the mantle. The country is desperate for leadership and we are in complete paralysis.
Lets be honest country has been in paralysis since 2016
I can’t see a general election being likely, nor can I see it being a quick and easy process if the tories do decide to replace Truss.
The most depressing thing I've read today is this:
However, former Brexit Secretary David Davis, who has been a strong critic of Ms Truss, said the idea of getting rid of her before the next election was "fantasy".
I take what David Davis says seriously as despite being generally considered to be on the right of the party he is a fairly independent thinker whose opinions tends to be more evidence based than many Tories.
Presumably great news for Labour though.
When comes to determining what is fantasy, and what is realistic, he’s the last person I’d turn to.
which 90s band will actually let Truss use their music?!?!
https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/1577561847913381888
Right Said Fred?
M-people - Moving on up - please make it so.
What David Davis said about the asylum seekers being sent to Rwanda policy was the most sensible of any senior Tory politician that I am aware of.
As a right-winger you might well have expected him to support it but he has been an outspoken critic of it, denouncing it as inhumane, pointless, and complete waste of money.
Which suggests that he is prepared to consider reality over fantasy. Many Tories are fully aware that they are relying on fantasies which they themselves don't believe.
Smack my Bitch Up?
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I think Binners is getting us closer… Firestarter?
Twisted fire starter
Things Can Only Get Better?
We didn't start the fire.
Gimme The Loot?
Burning down the house
Tubthumping - Chumbawumba
Break stuff - Limp Bizkit
You get what you give.
Would I Lie to you
If the government did significantly increase the minimum wage there would be a lot of jobs that would just go.
Keeps being said by successive tory governments, and yet those jobs were here when the £1 was worth $2, and are still here when the £1 is worth $1.1 and the real value of that minimum wage has crumbled. If it was actually base in some sort of evidence that it was internationally competitive then it would be a lot higher.
Charlie would be appropriate for Kwasi "the Octonaut" kwarteng judging by the state of him at QE2's funeral
I really hope somebody manages to hack the sound system and plays the Benny Hill theme tune.
Nah it'll be the Limp Bizkit cover of Faith.
Nice to see the politically revolved arriving early, remember guys we just need to give her a chance! 😂
some great pictures out of this conf already
Compared to photos from previous tory conferences thats practically fizzing with energy.
More generally for the thread. A GE is extremely unlikely since whilst some or indeed many tory MPs might approve of it in a general theoretical sense they will be opposed in a very specific practical sense when it comes to losing their own seats.
Binning her off would be tricky. Any pretender to the throne is going to be looking at the mess and probably concluding its better to leave her in power to lose the election (if somehow she doesnt then dethrone her) rather than take over with little time to do anything and hence get the boot for her mistakes. Better to bide their time for power.
Keeps being said by successive tory governments, and yet those jobs were here when the £1 was worth $2, and are still here when the £1 is worth $1.1 and the real value of that minimum wage has crumbled.
Plus the flipside is if people are actually paid a living wage then far fewer will also be claiming benefits. Hence either tax cuts or better applied spending of those taxes rather than just subsiding companies.
Some that are trending on Twitter:
Born slippy
Killing in the name
Don’t speak
Burning down the house
Wannabe
So, what was the classic song?
This wasn't all that encouraging:
M-people – Moving on up – please make it so.
Oh my god, what utter ****ing idiots!
Mike and Heather are both Labour.
And have they even listened to the lyrics? FFS!!!
You've done me wrong, your time is up
You took a sip from the devil's cup
You broke my heart, there's no way back
Move right out of here, baby, go on pack your bags
Just who do you think you are?
Stop actin' like some kind of star
Just who do you think you are?'Cause I'm movin' on up, you're movin' on out
Movin' on up, nothin' can stop me
Movin' on up, you're movin' on out
Time to break free, nothin' can stop me
Movin' on up.
Having a laugh.
Sky News showing live Pound/ Dollar rates as Liv talks. Is that usual?😁
Liz is an odd one. That forced and plain odd smile always freaks me out slightly.
Terrible, terrible public speaker too!
Am I listening to a spoof version?
I managed ten seconds of it. Anyone doing better?
She looks like a hostage delivering her captors demands.
I see that she’s opted for the ‘I didn’t get where I am today….’ Self-congratulationary approach
Go Greenpeace!!
Hecklers!
Brilliant!!!
Well done Greenpeace 😂
Has someone deliberately moved her autocue too far too the right?
Ah, here we go, calling people against fracking part of the “anti-growth coalition”. Right oh.
Also claming that because their form of the energy price control is more expensive than any other countries’ that they are “doing more” to help with the energy crisis - no, they are doing less to help with our bills, we’re paying more than people in many other countries, but they are ”helping” in an utterly inefficient way that looks after energy producers’ interests more than ours.
Well done Greenpeace
And the BBC for zooming in so quickly and giving them maximum close up coverage.
We are funnelling more into the profits of fossil fuel companies than they could ever possibly have dreamt of…
Has Kwasi just got the political equivalent of the dreaded Premier League managers public statement of backing from the owner?
We can only hope so.
All eu regulations gone by the end of the year...... someone better get working on that fast then
She's an absolute natural with an autocue, isn't she?
More “anti-growth coalition” stuff. Unions, remainers, green protestors, other political parties, people who appear on the BBC (presumably that doesn’t include her 55 Tufton St friends)… if you won’t accept lower wages, are an exporter, are concerned about climate change, or even worse… aren’t a Tory, or disagree with her opaquely funded friends on TV and Radio… you are anti growth. Nonsense of course, but that’s what her line boils down to, and many will buy it. The Conservative party has made a series of mistakes that have limited our long term growth, and she is offering nothing that reverse those mistakes and is just lining us up for more.
I saw an estimate somewhere (I will try and find the source if it isn't restricted) of how long it would take the Civil Service to redraw all the EU legislation we have been covered by since joining, using the existing staff resources. It was around 30 years!!
Not if you just take the book titled "EU Regulations," cross out the title with TipEX and then title it "GB Regs." 😉
How long has that phrase been a thing?
The "anti growth coalition" slogan I mean?
Just a lot more of the culture war shit then?
That really is all they've got left, isn't it?
Movin’ on up.
Having a laugh.
Referring to inflation and interest rates I presume...?
How long has that phrase been a thing?
The “anti growth coalition” slogan I mean?
Since the start of the speech, but I'm sensing you'll be hearing a lot more of it.
*totters off to design 'anti-growth coalition' T-Shirts*
Sky saying she fibbed about being the first PM to go to a comprehensive school. Gordon Brown did too.
Since the start of the speech, but I’m sensing you’ll be hearing a lot more of it.
I suspect you are right. Anyone or anything anti Tory basically.
James Cleverly made me cringe throughout that speech. The BBC obviously picked up on the fact that Cleverly's behaviour was bizarre as they seemed to obsessively focus on him when showing shots from the audience.
She probably thinks a coalition is something to do with fossil fuels.
She's just painted herself as a vile despicable sociopath. This 10x 'anti-growth coalition' nonsense is a disgusting posturing against people who care about the environment more than their toxic profiteering. Never felt more alienated from this country. The only way this is going to get this country moving is to encourage more people to move out of it and away from these thinly veiled fascists.
Never felt more alienated from this country.
Wait ‘till you see whether her tactics to build support work. We, as a country, might surprise you. She has no mandate for this, and you never know, we might wake up and deny her one.
🤞🏼
More people might be with Greenpeace the unions and other political parties than with her. Let’s hope so.
[ actually, on the parties thing, there are already more of us with others and against the Tories, they only have minority support, we just need to start to act more as a “coalition” to stop Truss or whoever comes next ]
This 10x ‘anti-growth coalition’ nonsense is a disgusting posturing
Because they've realised that it works. It's a pithy soundbite which dismisses anyone who disagrees with them using little more than a handwave. "Project Fear" 2.0.
Well, she's inspired me to go for a dump.
What a PM.